Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[xmonkey]

Im pretty sure this has been asked quite a bit, but here it goes. Im not too concerned about the difference between 6th and 7th generation CPUs, however I thought I read that the iGPUs between these generations are actually quite signficantly different? I will be using the Pro as effectively a desktop, and it will be hooked up to potentially two monitors with decent resolution, will the iGPU generation difference be important?

Given what Intel has out for Kaby Lake currently (only chips with GT2-class iGPU), Skylake is going to be the better performer if you are looking at iGPU only.

Your best performing option for an iGPU is going to be the Skylake-H quad core chip with GT4e iGPU (so, 15" MBP). If Apple goes with the Skylake-U chip with a GT3e iGPU for the 13" MBP (likeliest option IMO), than the Skylake version is going to be faster than Kaby Lake-U as it'd only be running GT2.

The Kaby Lake-U GT3e chips won't be out until first quarter of 2017 and only those should give you a leg-up in iGPU performance over what's available in Skylake currently. Intel has no plans for a GT4e Kaby Lake-H processor, so if you're looking at the 15" MBP, Skylake is as good as it's going to get for awhile.

See this for reference: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...-Roadmap-Kaby-Lake-Coffee-Lake-Cannonlake.jpg

 

[MarcBou]

I really hate the way Apple have set up the models/prices. Hopefully it's a little different this time around, but just looking at the current specs/price points for example...

I'd rather a 15 inch, but my only two options for 15 inch is 256GB (not enough) or 512GB (doable, but $3,799 - I have $4,000 set aside but I'd rather not spend all of it if it can be avoided lol). So if I accept that I'll need to get a 13 inch, the only 512GB option I have is $2,799, but I'm sacrificing the specs of the 15 (i7 down to i5, 16GB down to 8GB). So it's either spend $1,000 more or have worse specs OR just not have enough space for anything.

I guess I could go the 256GB 15 inch ($3,099) and then just change the storage to 512GB (+$480, totalling $3,579 instead of $3,799). But that also then delays the delivery time. First world problems.

Here's hoping they have a better selection this time around lol. Anyway, thinking out loud over.

Where did u get those prices?? I think you wrote 1000 more than actually is. Macbook Pro 512Gb is 2799€ and even cheaper in $.

 

[dk808]

I'm coming from the same machine but torn between a maxed processor 13" for portability or a 15" for that power. Guess I'll have to wait and see what prices go to and if they shrink the footprints at all.

Same here. But the thing is our current 13 inch mbp would be the same weight as the new 15 inch or maybe even heavier. So I don't think it would after portability that bad
[doublepost=1477001495][/doublepost]

I really hate the way Apple have set up the models/prices. Hopefully it's a little different this time around, but just looking at the current specs/price points for example...

I'd rather a 15 inch, but my only two options for 15 inch is 256GB (not enough) or 512GB (doable, but $3,799 - I have $4,000 set aside but I'd rather not spend all of it if it can be avoided lol). So if I accept that I'll need to get a 13 inch, the only 512GB option I have is $2,799, but I'm sacrificing the specs of the 15 (i7 down to i5, 16GB down to 8GB). So it's either spend $1,000 more or have worse specs OR just not have enough space for anything.

I guess I could go the 256GB 15 inch ($3,099) and then just change the storage to 512GB (+$480, totalling $3,579 instead of $3,799). But that also then delays the delivery time. First world problems.

Here's hoping they have a better selection this time around lol. Anyway, thinking out loud over.

Are you in Canada or US?

 

[eroslws]

I really hate the way Apple have set up the models/prices. Hopefully it's a little different this time around, but just looking at the current specs/price points for example...

I'd rather a 15 inch, but my only two options for 15 inch is 256GB (not enough) or 512GB (doable, but $3,799 - I have $4,000 set aside but I'd rather not spend all of it if it can be avoided lol). So if I accept that I'll need to get a 13 inch, the only 512GB option I have is $2,799, but I'm sacrificing the specs of the 15 (i7 down to i5, 16GB down to 8GB). So it's either spend $1,000 more or have worse specs OR just not have enough space for anything.

I guess I could go the 256GB 15 inch ($3,099) and then just change the storage to 512GB (+$480, totalling $3,579 instead of $3,799). But that also then delays the delivery time. First world problems.

Here's hoping they have a better selection this time around lol. Anyway, thinking out loud over.

Why don't you fly over to the US and buy one here? It's cheaper...

 

[GeoffreyBezos]

Has anybody noticed this thread was created on October 26th 2013, that is 1 day less than 3 years from when the Mac event is! Amazing! Maybe the thread creator knew about it this whole time.

 

[shareef777]

They forgot about the fappening and iCloud...

That's not the same. That's just people with weak/simple passwords. Any platform would run into that issue.

 

[powertoold]

Ahh shucks I honestly dont give a **** if someone is watching my messages or call logs.

That's until you realize that it's not only the government watching you, but also hackers who got in through the same door

 

[shareef777]

Maybe you should inform yourself too.

Concerning privacy iCloud -> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 And yes it's encrypted on the servers.

Do I really need to point links out concerning what Google stores on you, and that WhatsApp privacy policy has changed so Facebook will use all your messages to make a better profile of you for targeting?

And if you are so long on this forum, maybe you could notice that I am here since early 2008.

Sigh, another know-it-all. Google is encrypted as well! But that's not the point. The argument was against the Pixel Phone, which has the same level of encryption as the iPhone. People are mixing up the hardware(phone) and service(gmail). i.e., I can buy the Pixel phone and use my corporate exchange account on it. Google will not see ONE BIT OF DATA from my exchange account as it's encrypted end to end, even on the Pixel phone.

 

[WRONG]

Stop with this spam and OT about Whatsapp, encryption and whatever, already.
I can't hear the rumors of the upcoming MBP.
Is it coming soon?
Any news?
Do we know if is coming even with Kaby Lake?

 

[shareef777]

The MacBook Pro 17" has been revived!

https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/20/razers-new-blade-pro-laptop-houses-a-mechanical-keyboard/

Damn it! My heart skipped a beat believing that! :-(
[doublepost=1477002562][/doublepost]

With all due respect, you clearly don't understand the encryption methods used.

Both imessage and whatsapp use end to end encryption. This is a public/private key pairing system in which both Apple and whatsapp store the public key.

With only the public key neither company can intercept or decypher anyone's messages. For that you need your own private key which is kept only on your phone.

Both messaging apps are equally as secure in regards to snooping/privacy be it from Apple/Facebook or the NSA etc.

Thanks for the added detail.
[doublepost=1477002636][/doublepost]

Stop with this spam and OT about Whatsapp, encryption and whatever, already.
I can't hear the rumors of the upcoming MBP.
Is it coming soon?
Any news?
Do we know if is coming even with Kaby Lake?

Trying to kill time till next Thursday. Fore-warning, starting next Friday I'll be trying to kill time for a month till delivery.

 

[TechZeke]

The MacBook Pro 17" has been revived!

https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/20/razers-new-blade-pro-laptop-houses-a-mechanical-keyboard/

A 17" rMBP would've been sexiest laptop alive....SMH.

 

[sleim031]

I really hate the way Apple have set up the models/prices. Hopefully it's a little different this time around, but just looking at the current specs/price points for example...

I'd rather a 15 inch, but my only two options for 15 inch is 256GB (not enough) or 512GB (doable, but $3,799 - I have $4,000 set aside but I'd rather not spend all of it if it can be avoided lol). So if I accept that I'll need to get a 13 inch, the only 512GB option I have is $2,799, but I'm sacrificing the specs of the 15 (i7 down to i5, 16GB down to 8GB). So it's either spend $1,000 more or have worse specs OR just not have enough space for anything.

I guess I could go the 256GB 15 inch ($3,099) and then just change the storage to 512GB (+$480, totalling $3,579 instead of $3,799). But that also then delays the delivery time. First world problems.

Here's hoping they have a better selection this time around lol. Anyway, thinking out loud over.

What dollars specifically are these?

I'm kinda in the same boat, a foreign student living and working in London and really relying on my work for life expenses (only receiving a tuition fee loan since im EU).

I'd like, and probs will, get the highest spec 15" because I want to have it for a while without having to worry when is the next blue screen of death coming (currently on 15" Win10 HP). I do video as well more and more and will benefit from a powerful desktop-class machine.

The point of my story is, this is an investment. If you're a creative, engineer or striving to be either invest in yourself. Money is always hard to let go of when you earned it, but as my dad says if you wanna get something make sure it's the best.

 

[Branflaakes]

A 17" rMBP would've been sexiest laptop alive....SMH.

Only if it's soldered onto a desk and taking out the core essence of what makes a laptop a laptop, portability. Imagine taking out a 17" laptop, whose total empirical volume increase is greater than the increase from 13" to 15", anywhere where portability is remotely necessary. -shudders-

 

[AKP101]

tbh i agree with you. whatever I message, search, post are things that if they were released to the public for e.g., i wouldn't be embarrassed or criminally charged. i dont take nude pics, or message heist plans, or search child pornography, so im not too worried about encryption and snooping.

although i will say that snooping isnt ethical.

If someone were to snoop on my messages and mail, they would probably sympathise with my rather plain and unhappening life! On a serious note, the privacy of an individual is an issue with numerous layers and dimensions. If you look around and think about it, "Surveillance" is already intrusive and bordering on becoming an Orwellian nightmare. Only because you don't have anything to hide should not let devalue your private space, your privacy.

 

[Rob_2811]

That's until you realize that it's not only the government watching you, but also hackers who got in through the same door

Exactly. Some on the comments here. I'm cringing.

 

[jsmith189]

Where did u get those prices?? I think you wrote 1000 more than actually is. Macbook Pro 512Gb is 2799€ and even cheaper in $.

Same here. But the thing is our current 13 inch mbp would be the same weight as the new 15 inch or maybe even heavier. So I don't think it would after portability that bad
[doublepost=1477001495][/doublepost]
Are you in Canada or US?

Why don't you fly over to the US and buy one here? It's cheaper...

Sorry guys, should have specified, this is in Australian dollars. Our prices are here if you want to see the comparisons: http://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro

After converting, the 512GB 15 inch is $2,900 USD. So like $400 more than US.

What dollars specifically are these?

I'm kinda in the same boat, a foreign student living and working in London and really relying on my work for life expenses (only receiving a tuition fee loan since im EU).

I'd like, and probs will, get the highest spec 15" because I want to have it for a while without having to worry when is the next blue screen of death coming (currently on 15" Win10 HP). I do video as well more and more and will benefit from a powerful desktop-class machine.

The point of my story is, this is an investment. If you're a creative, engineer or striving to be either invest in yourself. Money is always hard to let go of when you earned it, but as my dad says if you wanna get something make sure it's the best.

See, I went from a 15 pro to an 11 gold regular MacBook. I've been itching for months to get back to the Pro. Worst decision ever. I didn't realise just how much I needed and actively utilised the screen real estate, nor how much of a "heavy user" I was until everything slowed down. So I probably will just get the highest 15, but... it's just a total punch in the gut to see that almost $4,000 total lol. I'll be earning some back from selling my MacBook though I guess, so that makes me feel a little better. I'm just hoping that this wave of them will either give me a little more incentive in the lower price points, or just lower the prices of the highest one. I guess we'll see next week!

 

[WRONG]

Trying to kill time till next Thursday. Fore-warning, starting next Friday I'll be trying to kill time for a month till delivery.

Yeah I was wondering... when the MBP will be finally released, should we move to the "I just ordered / bought / got my new/refurb MBP" thread", or are we allowed to stay here?
I mean, we will be anyhow "waiting" for the MBP.

 

[samcow]

Given what Intel has out for Kaby Lake currently (only chips with GT2-class iGPU), Skylake is going to be the better performer if you are looking at iGPU only.

Your best performing option for an iGPU is going to be the Skylake-H quad core chip with GT4e iGPU (so, 15" MBP). If Apple goes with the Skylake-U chip with a GT3e iGPU for the 13" MBP (likeliest option IMO), than the Skylake version is going to be faster than Kaby Lake-U as it'd only be running GT2.

The Kaby Lake-U GT3e chips won't be out until first quarter of 2017 and only those should give you a leg-up in iGPU performance over what's available in Skylake currently. Intel has no plans for a GT4e Kaby Lake-H processor, so if you're looking at the 15" MBP, Skylake is as good as it's going to get for awhile.

See this for reference: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...-Roadmap-Kaby-Lake-Coffee-Lake-Cannonlake.jpg

Oh ok, yea I guess my question was whether the presently available Kaby Lakes have better GPUs, and thus better ability to operate multiple monitors, than the Macbook Pro's Skylakes. I doubt I can stomach waiting until the Kaby Lakes of 2017 come out.

 

[xmonkey]

Oh ok, yea I guess my question was whether the presently available Kaby Lakes have better GPUs, and thus better ability to operate multiple monitors, than the Macbook Pro's Skylakes. I doubt I can stomach waiting until the Kaby Lakes of 2017 come out.

Yup, if you're looking to buy the ones announced next week, Skylake is going to have the better iGPU performance for now.

Notebookcheck has a good in-depth review of the Dell XPS 13 Kaby Lake-U w/ GT2 and it can't quite keep up with the Skylake GT3e Iris 540 chip (much less the Iris 550 that Apple could go with, too). It's really the addition of that eDRAM that brings the performance gains. Kaby Lake has some other benefits like better HEVC video decoding for 4K and a lower power draw overall, but strictly in terms of iGPU we'll be waiting until 2017 for the really well performing chips.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i5-7200U-Notebook-Review.178844.0.html

Additional GT2 Kaby Lake benchmark from an MSI laptop with a 7500U chip: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-7500U-Review-Skylake-on-Steroids.172692.0.html

 

[Uni Grad]

Y u people so naive. Why do yall get fooled so easily? No wonder Serban trolled all you folk! I don't blame him.

Person thinks I'm Mark Gurman???????????

note: i deleted the users name and avatar, didn't want to embarrass/expose him/her.

 

[bfid111]

Y u people so naive. Why do you people get so fooled easily. No wonder Serban trolled all you folk!
He thinks I'm Mark Gurman???????????

note: i deleted the users name and avatar, didn't want to embarrass him.

View attachment 666926

he works at intel. get some info about kabylake

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Y u people so naive. Why do you people get so fooled easily. No wonder Serban trolled all you folk!
He thinks I'm Mark Gurman???????????

note: i deleted the users name and avatar, didn't want to embarrass him.

View attachment 666926

That's exactly the kind of thing Mark Gurman would say... *stares suspiciously*

 

[shareef777]

Yeah I was wondering... when the MBP will be finally released, should we move to the "I just ordered / bought / got my new/refurb MBP" thread", or are we allowed to stay here?
I mean, we will be anyhow "waiting" for the MBP.

I'm guessing mods will close this thread on Thursday/Friday as we won't be able to discuss any rumors or potentials cause the product will be out and fully vetted. There'll be zero point to this thread except for historical value. But I'm definitely going to the just ordered thread for the after party!

 

[UltimateSyn]

So I bought a rMB about a week and a half ago because I really needed a laptop to school and something to ease the waiting process. (Got a lot of **** from some of y'all cause it was a ***** move, even I agree myself haha)
It turned out to be disastrous though as I was even more stressed than without a laptop because I was scared I was going to drop it or break it and void the return (I am very accident prone.) but with the event confirmed I made the journey back to the Apple Store to return it... While repackaging for return I was super careful to clean the keyboard, screen and the laptop itself of all fingerprint, grease and I saved all the plastic and everything...but they didn't even bother checking the laptop and just took it back lol.


But I got my gift card(s) and ready for the laptop to come out!!!

Just reminded me that I have a $25 gift card to use on this, thank you!

A 17" rMBP would've been sexiest laptop alive....SMH.

They could always surprise us (but I doubt they will)

 

[rezwits]

So let me be sure if I understand this AppleCare policy...

Are you guys saying you can buy your Mac, wait 364 days, then buy another 3 years of AC coverage, essentially giving you 4 years of warranty?

From what I have heard you have to eat a year... bummer huh?

SIDE NOTE:
Reading all the post is getting to much tho, I can't take 30-40 pages a day DAMN!