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Apple even increased the price on refurbished machines. The 15" last gen Retina base model is now £1609 for a refurb, it was £1599 for a brand new one yesterday
 
So, I just finished working. I'm drinking my wine then back to my old MBP to catch the news (MR from Windows Phone is terrible. Damn you, Microsoft!).

What did I miss?
I have to catch up all the 100 pages plus the 2 hours event.
What's happened to the 15"?
Can someone resume in two words what happened?
 
that is all well and good, but i have **** all idea what it means.. can anybody translate?
Well it's basically the first time this chip has been in a laptop so we gotta wait for reviews. I wish it had higher TFLOP performance, but the 4GB of RAM on the 460 is good.

YUP! 640 stream processors, haha. Probably the exact same crusty old Cape Verde chip...
They're all based on Polaris architecture.
 
Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

No need for a dongle. Just get the lightning to USB-C cable.
I think you are missing the point of my question, I know that i will be able to plug it in. My question is, does the battery bank have enough oomph to charge the 15in?
 
Can you expand on that? beside the touch bar , are the difference in performance going to be that noticeable?

The no OLED bar 13 inch version is effectively a Retina MacBook Air it has a 2ghz 15 Watt Processor the performance will be more like the current MacBook Air but with a retina screen and more modern i/o (thunderbolt 3/USB C).

The previous version 13 inch MacBook Pro had a 2.9 ghz 35 Watt processor so the performance was significantly better than this new non Touch Bar 13 inch.
 
Really?

I'll pay it gladly for the smaller form factor, lower weight, wider gamut monitor, brighter monitor, faster graphics, and 4 x TB3!
don't forget all 15" have dgpu thrown in. 400$ difference in price in the 15" too
 
Any XPS 15 users in this thread?

My two options are : rMBP i5/512/8GB for £1754 (student discount)

or

Dell XPS 15 i7/512/16GB for $1958 inc. tax (£1472) (I'm in the US right now on holiday but the MBP won't be available for a while)

I primarily use my laptop for web browsing/streaming movies/TV and some gaming (Civ VI, BF1, FM2017 is what I would be playing)

Obviously the Dell is a better laptop for gaming with the 960m, but can any current owners tell me how good the trackpad, keyboard and battery are in real life? Tbh I prefer Apple's software, display scaling, build quality and trackpad but I'm not sure what to get at this price point. (Windows high res scaling pisses me off, but is it worth £300 more for the mac)

Thanks
I've been using XPS 15 (4k, quad core Skylake, 16GB) for the last 6 months for work, and from my experience:

Pros
Amazing screen picture quality
Super thin bezel
Decent performance
Nice design

Cons
Terrible keyboard (very shallow, little resistance)
Battery life average at best
Some windows software has scaling issues with 4k, so you might end up setting the screen res down to full hd
The dark palm rest gets visibly dirty immediately and is impossible to clean

Trackpad is pretty good but not as good as 2015 Macbook pro
 
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Well it's basically the first time this chip has been in a laptop so we gotta wait for reviews. I wish it had higher TFLOP performance, but the 4GB of RAM on the 460 is good.


They're all based on Polaris architecture.
For reference-
460 - up to 1.86 tflops
455 - up to 1.3 tflops
450 - up to 1 tflops

The closest thing i could find to the 460 is the GTX 660 @ 1.81 tflops

Source: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960-2GB-Review-GM206-199
http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/
 
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Also, to people looking at the function row one: it's not the same except for the bar. It's a glorified Air.

no Touchbar -> 15W CPU
22% slower than last years model


The specs show that the base one uses the Core i5-6360U, which is a 15W model, and scores 268pts in Cinebench R15 multicore. Last years base uses Core i5-5257U, which is a 28W model, and scores 327pts in Cinebench R15 multicore.

what about the non oled 13" with i7 that you can max out in the store? can't find details about that
 
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Can you please give us links to a few of these reviews? This is a matter of great importance to many of us.

Dang, I had a bunch of links up on my iMac, but have since closed them and have relocated to my MBP at another location. Walt Mossberg had good things to say about the new keyboard. Try googling him and see if you can pull it up. If I can find the others, I'll certainly post them here.
 
Can you expand on that? beside the touch bar , are the difference in performance going to be that noticeable?

The non-Touch Bar 13" MBP has only 2 ports, a slow processor, no Touch ID, and slower graphics, iirc.
 
Can you please give us links to a few of these reviews? This is a matter of great importance to many of us.

CNET is reporting the KB is exactly the same as the rMB:

https://www.cnet.com/products/apple-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-13-inch-2016/preview/

While the keyboard on the new MacBook Pro models have the same shallow key travel (an industry term for the distance the key moves downward to register an input) as the version on the 12-inch MacBook, the new "feel" of the keys, and how they register a click gives the keyboard a more substantial feel. In a brief typing test I was struck by how much the keyboard felt like the one on a 12-inch MacBook, and how unlike the current generation of MacBook Pros it felt. You lose that satisfying feeling of your fingers being on big, chunky keys that click down with a satisfying thunk
 
Wow. Clap clap clap.

They're using the lower end variant of the skylake cpu. The one released in 2015. The one with HD 530. No HD 580.

Ok.

So one question.

What the **** took so long.

I'm looking at this thing, looking at it specs, and it should have come out last March. This thing should have been released in March. March.

It didn't need to have Polaris graphics. They could have/should have just put in a decent graphics card at the time. This 450 isn't exactly a monster.

...If I wasn't lacking a Mac right now, which I need, I sure would not buy this product. Too bad. Take my money for now Apple.

If this just had 3 things:
  • DDR4, 32GB max
  • current high end skylake skew
  • Bumped resolution
I would be ****ing elated about this product. None of these things are huge things to ask for.

C'mon. At this price these things should be standard but, let's not kid ourselves, it's Apple. They should have at least given us these options. This aint 2012.

I'm not even going to be salty about the graphics card. I already knew going into this that Apple's motto in this area is "Good 'nuf".

Definitely thinking I'll sell this when the 32GB or better display resolution update of this comes out.

Edit:

Also, I'm surprised there aren't more posts complaining about the lack of a glowing logo. I don't really care but I know a lot of people were saying they did.
 
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Any XPS 15 users in this thread?

My two options are : rMBP i5/512/8GB for £1754 (student discount)

or

Dell XPS 15 i7/512/16GB for $1958 inc. tax (£1472) (I'm in the US right now on holiday but the MBP won't be available for a while)

I primarily use my laptop for web browsing/streaming movies/TV and some gaming (Civ VI, BF1, FM2017 is what I would be playing)

Obviously the Dell is a better laptop for gaming with the 960m, but can any current owners tell me how good the trackpad, keyboard and battery are in real life? Tbh I prefer Apple's software, display scaling, build quality and trackpad but I'm not sure what to get at this price point. (Windows high res scaling pisses me off, but is it worth £300 more for the mac)

Thanks

Is that the 13 or 15" rMBP?
 
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