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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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MrBIMC said:
2015 one. And it's a lot faster than a new one.
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I don't think it is quite so black and white.

http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-cpu-10-20-performance-boost-faster-igpu-ddr4-overclocked/

Which is faster;

2015' MacBook Pro 13' Retina Display: i5 2.9GHz Broadwell CPU.
vs.
2016' Macbook Pro 13' non Touch Bar: i5 2.0GHz Skylake CPU.

It seems to me that there is definitely some gray area here. I.e. a 2.0Ghz Broadwell is Probably quite a bit slower than a 2.0Ghz Skylake, I honestly don't know enough about it to really comment but would love more insight if anyone does.

This site has a lot on it:

Skylake:

-14nm vs 22nm process, causes a reduction in power usage, especially on lower-clocked CPUs. E.g. i5 6600 = 65w TDP, i5 4690 = 84w TDP.

-Skylake has a much bigger, more modern iGPU. If you're not using a discrete card, it's much more useful vs Haswell's.

-Skylake iGPU has hardware acceleration for decoding and encoding of more formats.

-Skylake runs cooler, for whatever reason, with similar maximum safe temperatures, which is probably a factor in why it has more overclocking headroom (on average) vs Haswell.

-Skylake is 5-10% faster per clock, due to an updated core design.

-Skylake has a much wider core, which benefits more from hyperthreading. A Skylake i3 is more faster (yes, that's what I meant to say) than a Haswell i3 than a Skylake i5 vs Haswell i5. For this reason, the i3 6100 is quite dramatically better than i3 4xxx.

-Skylake uses DDR4, which is faster than DDR3, and rapidly dropping in price. Before long it will be cheaper than DDR3, too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3061164/relevance-broadwell-skylake-haswell.html
 
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gooseta said:
Yeah, as much as I loathe windows, the fact that the MBP's price has increased for something that I won't even use, and the fact that there are still no dGPU options on the 13" are making me lean towards a Razer blade.
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I like the finger print scanner, thats awesome but have been on PC's for 5+ years already. Nothing innovative there, but I am sure the way Apple will use it will be incredible compared to the PC. That is the only thing I like about it. I am also thinking about how nice it would be to use my finger to adjust sliders in Lightroom.. but it might also be incredible to have a Xeon Processor, CUDA graphics for Adobe, 64GB of Ram, 3 internal HDDs, 17 inch monitor, and SD card reader for about the same price. Dell Precision - Lightroom is Lightroom, iPad and camera in the field, Raw images syncing back to my notebook at home via CC.
 
dtsisdead said:
Updated my sig...
Can't wait for my new rMBP to arrive! All I can do in anticipation, is to rush out and buy all the dongles I will need :p :eek:
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Congrats. Even though I just dropped close to $4k on a laptop I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $100 for a charger and cable. Somebody find an 85+ W USB-C charger!
 
It gets me motivated to unload older stuff. I figure I can drum up around 2 to 3k by selling stuff I don't use, and the older laptop, iPad, Surface (I just don't use them enough)

I do this often with a variety of things and it's rather cathartic :D.

I can't justify this kind of money unless I clean out the stable. It's really just the digital stuff that has to go.
 
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itsamacthing said:
I like the finger print scanner, thats awesome but have been on PC's for 5+ years already. Nothing innovative there, but I am sure the way Apple will use it will be incredible compared to the PC. That is the only thing I like about it. I am also thinking about how nice it would be to use my finger to adjust sliders in Lightroom.. but it might also be incredible to have a Xeon Processor, CUDA graphics for Adobe, 64GB of Ram, 3 internal HDDs, 17 inch monitor, and SD card reader for about the same price. Dell Precision - Lightroom is Lightroom, iPad and camera in the field, Raw images syncing back to my notebook at home via CC.
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If I go for the Razer / Dell I'm just praying Windows has sorted its **** out since Win8.
 
itsamacthing said:
I like the finger print scanner, thats awesome but have been on PC's for 5+ years already. Nothing innovative there, but I am sure the way Apple will use it will be incredible compared to the PC. That is the only thing I like about it. I am also thinking about how nice it would be to use my finger to adjust sliders in Lightroom.. but it might also be incredible to have a Xeon Processor, CUDA graphics for Adobe, 64GB of Ram, 3 internal HDDs, 17 inch monitor, and SD card reader for about the same price. Dell Precision - Lightroom is Lightroom, iPad and camera in the field, Raw images syncing back to my notebook at home via CC.
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Is a back brace included for that beast? How about a generator to be able to use it away from an outlet for a few minutes. Seriously, every mobile Xeon machine I've seen is a workstation. The MBP is NOT in that class. MBP is more along the lines of the XPS and Razer Blade.
 
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shareef777 said:
Is a back brace included for that beast? How about a generator to be able to use it away from an outlet for a few minutes. Seriously, every mobile Xeon machine I've seen is a workstation. The MBP is NOT in that class. MBP is more along the lines of the XPS and Razer Blade.
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That's right, my MacBook/iPad Pro is for mobile and the Dell or rMBP doesn't leave my desk or maybe to my bed, plugged in. A Pro device is a mobile workstation with pro class hardware. The rMBP does not have pro grade hardware.

I'm on the fence honestly.. I want the the rMBP but I'm disappointed in the product they introduced yesterday and I'm not sure what to do.. just trying to keep an open mind.
 
powertoold said:
I'm not really short on cash, but plunking down close to 3K for a laptop is borderline crazy. I think my brain hasn't processed the fact that my laptop is the most important and most used device in my daily life.
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Your brain may come to realize that it doesn't matter whether you use it more than other electronics. There is some point where you will reject the purchase, whether it's $3k or $4k or more. I don't think this pricing will hold up for long. It might not come down by a lot, but this is higher than they've ever tested in the past. When the 15" rmbp debuted, it was $2200. If that was the right price level, they wouldn't have released any 15" model below that ever again.
 
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itsamacthing said:
That's right, my MacBook/iPad Pro is for mobile and the Dell or rMBP doesn't leave my desk or maybe to my bed, plugged in. A Pro device is a mobile workstation with pro class hardware. The rMBP does not have pro grade hardware.

I'm on the fence honestly.. I want the the rMBP but I'm disappointed in the product they introduced yesterday and I'm not sure what to do.. just trying to keep an open mind.
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The pro moniker is just to differentiate the product from their own lower tiered products. It's by no means a pro workstation. How many pros actually need a mobile workstation class device? The pros that Apple aims for are the content creators that are mostly on the go (musicians video editors). In place content creators are better off with a MacPro (when it gets ****ing updated).
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thekev said:
Your brain may come to realize that it doesn't matter whether you use it more than other electronics. There is some point where you will reject the purchase, whether it's $3k or $4k or more. I don't think this pricing will hold up for long. It might not come down by a lot, but this is higher than they've ever tested in the past. When the 15" rmbp debuted, it was $2200. If that was the right price level, they wouldn't have released any 15" model below that ever again.
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My maxed out 2012 cost more then my 2016. This may be a move to increase the ASP to benefit their shareholders. Which sets a pretty horrific precedent of true.
 
I would love to see an analysis of Mac Prices, as I think they had become much more affordable since they moved to Intel. Maybe this is the start of Macs become expensive again.
shareef777 said:
The pro moniker is just to differentiate the product from their own lower tiered products. It's by no means a pro workstation. How many pros actually need a mobile workstation class device? The pros that Apple aims for are the content creators that are mostly on the go (musicians video editors). In place content creators are better off with a MacPro (when it gets ****ing updated).
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I understand your point, and agree .. I'm gonna be in the states and will check it out in person soon. I'm complaining, but will probably end up with one. Just think they could have done a better job.
 
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Can someone give input?

Is it worth spending the extra to receive 2.7 GHz instead of 2.6 and 512GB SSD instead of 256GB SSD. I'm a Graphic Designer so I do run quite a few tasks at once (Mostly Adobe apps). Storage isn't really an issue as I can always store files on Dropbox or the cloud but it would be nice to have 512GB as well. Anyone?
 
ronaldcastillo said:
Can someone give input?

Is it worth spending the extra to receive 2.7 GHz instead of 2.6 and 512GB SSD instead of 256GB SSD. I'm a Graphic Designer so I do run quite a few tasks at once (Mostly Adobe apps). Storage isn't really an issue as I can always store files on Dropbox or the cloud but it would be nice to have 512GB as well. Anyone?
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It will only make you sleep better at night. But I would be interested to see the actual specs of each CPU, sometimes there is more cache, etc
 
shareef777 said:
My maxed out 2012 cost more then my 2016. This may be a move to increase the ASP to benefit their shareholders. Which sets a pretty horrific precedent of true.
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A 512GB ssd cost quite a bit more in 2012. They retailed for somewhere around $300-500 in 2.5" form. Today they're around $100. 256 was too small for me at that time. It's too small today as well. It's just that in spite of these components coming down in price, they remain upgrades on a line of computers that carries a very high minimum sale. Tacking 20% onto that in the US and more in other countries is quite significant, which is why I don't think it'll last.

As for the led strip, it's (imo) a dumb design and not worth the extra money. They'll probably update it significantly with future releases, as they're now effectively committed to the concept.
 
navaira said:
3) THE UK PRICES!!!!* (In the UK* ;) )
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Germany isn't that much better either.

- Last year's model stays same price as before.
- 13" without Touch Bar (which is less powerful in CPU and GPU than last year's model) is a 250€ price increase.
- 13" with Touch Bar is another 300€, so in total 550€ price increase.
- Last year's 15" stays same price as before.
- New 15" got a 450€ price increase.
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pbasmadj said:
Which is faster;

2015' MacBook Pro 13' Retina Display: i5 2.9GHz Broadwell CPU.
vs.
2016' Macbook Pro 13' non Touch Bar: i5 2.0GHz Skylake CPU.
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2.0 GHz vs 2.9 GHz sounds worse than it is.
Turbo Boost closes the difference down to 200 MHz.
Problem is: The old one is a 28-35W CPU, the new one a 15-18W. If you are stressing it for longer amounts of time or stressing CPU + GPU at the same time, that will show. The old one is definitely more powerful, but not by a long shot.
 
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I noticed that they changed delivery to 3-4 weeks on their site. I ordered it when it said 2-3 weeks, is there any chance they would delay my order?
 
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powertoold said:
I'm not really short on cash, but plunking down close to 3K for a laptop is borderline crazy. I think my brain hasn't processed the fact that my laptop is the most important and most used device in my daily life.
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For that much tho you're not really getting a rMBP you're getting a rMBP+MacPro combination computer that you dock or walk away with...
 
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