Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[WRONG]

Guys there is no much to wait to be honest, skylake is about 10% better than haswell, iris580 will be little better than r370 and polaris is probably long wait so no macbook with polaris soon. Maybe most users of this topic can't wait for thunderbolt 3

For me there is a lot to wait, first of all the fact that I would not pay almost 3000€ for a computer with 3-years-old CPU and 3-years-old-GPU.
That's simply not honest toward we customers.
Then, the iGPU is anyway better than the r370, which is great, and then again (hopefully) the new MBP will have a lot of interesting features: more battery time and useful connections, and maybe better RAM and SSD.

If we have to wait for the best improvement, we'll wait forever.
It's always valid the mantra "the right moment to buy a new computer is just when you really need it."
Kaby Lake that's coming after Polaris is going to be a revolution...
...but so is Cannonlake which is coming after Kaby and so on and on.

I'm really sick and tired of having to wait again and again and again.
June, september, redesign...
All I want is an updated computer with present technology.
Is it really so complicate, Apple?!

 

[snc]

Kaby Lake that's coming after Polaris is going to be a revolution...

Kaby Lake revolution? It will be just refreshed Sky Lake on the same process node, doubt it will be even 5% faster than skylake.

 

[WRONG]

Kaby Lake revolution? It will be just refreshed Sky Lake on the same process node, doubt it will be even 5% faster than skylake.

It's going to be a lot better of Skylake on graphics and video playback.
Anyway that's not the point of my statement.

edit: links to kaby lake
http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby...16-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/

http://www.channelpro.co.uk/advice/9734/skylake-vs-kaby-lake

 

[snc]

It's going to be a lot better of Skylake on graphics and video playback.
Anyway that's not the point of my statement.

I know that this is offtopic but can you give me some link about Kaby Lake has something better than iris pro 580 ?

Edit: found some info about new codec, nothing about better graphic perf. Hard to call this "revolutionary"

 

[j1104638]

Polaris is already in production
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/

If they choose not to provide dGPU and make Apple eGPU solution, desktop Polaris might be used... in March? Oh, hopes, hopes...

 

[snc]

If they choose not to provide dGPU and make Apple eGPU solution, desktop Polaris might be used... in March? Oh, hopes, hopes...

What do you mean when you write Apple eGPU soultion? A 500$ discrete graphic enclosure?

 

[Henkna]

Will this be the longest period that any MacBook is updated?

 

[mjs402]

I don't know if an event on iPhone 5se ("budget" iPhone), iPad Air 3 and a few bands for the Watch is a full event. Seems paltry if you ask me. I still think the Mac line will see something.

 

[WRONG]

Will this be the longest period that any MacBook is updated?

If they wait for 14 March, which is 42 days by now, it will be 299 days, so yes, the longest period.

And not to mention if they're going to update it in June...

 

[volcomvenom]

If they update in june I am going to windows.....not!

 

[cmChimera]

What do you mean when you write Apple eGPU soultion? A 500$ discrete graphic enclosure?

People aren't satisfied with spending $2-3,000 dollars on a laptop, so they request Apple remove a large part of it, charge the same price, and force you to buy some bulky add on for better (read: normal) performance.

 

[Mago]

Polaris is already in production
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/

Those chips are intended for the updated new Mac Pro gpus (info leaked somewhere) and matches the schedule, later this year or earlier next year will debut as apu on Zen architecture on the next generation iMacs full AMD inside.

I doubt the next Macbook (pro?) would include dGPU on any model.

For external dGPU on Thunderbolt 3 accelerator device or accelerated display sure we will see something based on AMD Fury X or Fury nano.

 

[Henkna]

If they wait for 14 March, which is 42 days by now, it will be 299 days, so yes, the longest period.

And not to mention if they're going to update it in June...

That sounds ridiculous. Frustrating long wait. Apple frustrating me more and more. In the Netherlands still no Apple Pay, Siri in Apple TV , news app. It's a shame.

 

[Mago]

People aren't satisfied with spending $2-3,000 dollars on a laptop, so they request Apple remove a large part of it, charge the same price, and force you to buy some bulky add on for better (read: normal) performance.

The whole concept it's interesting and for a 5K display also very convenient, a dGPU on a laptop burns battery quickly or demand you to be plugged both issues solved with an eGPU which could deliver 120hz refresh on a 5k display impossible on a MST dual dp1.2 setup plus the usual goodies as integrated Webcam ethernet and extra usb, same for an docking station (don't need to be bulky).

But as you wisely pointed out, Apple Will charge the same for an dGPU less macbook and will sell with the usual premium those docks or Thunderbolt 3 accelerated display (eGPU on board), at the end you'll need to pay about 5000+$ for what today cost about 3000$ (macbook pro 15+5k display).

 

[cmChimera]

The whole concept it's interesting and for a 5K display also very convenient, a dGPU on a laptop burns battery quickly or demand you to be plugged both issues solved with an eGPU which could deliver 120hz refresh on a 5k display impossible on a MST dual dp1.2 setup plus the usual goodies as integrated Webcam ethernet and extra usb, same for an docking station (don't need to be bulky).

Is there some reasons as to why the Macbook Pro can't do both? Have an internal dGPU AND support an external GPU. Seems to be a more practical solution to the problem that doesn't exist.

 

[Mago]

Is there some reasons as to why the Macbook Pro can't do both? Have an internal dGPU AND support an external GPU. Seems to be a more practical solution to the problem that doesn't exist.

This could mean having 3 different gpu (the one integrated on the cpu) the on board dGPU and the external dGPU I doubt it would even work.

So I'm pessimistic and inclined to believe that no dGPU on board is the next "big" thing from Apple.

 

[cmChimera]

This could mean having 3 different gpu (the one integrated on the cpu) the on board dGPU and the external dGPU I doubt it would even work.

I'm absolutely positive that this is something within the realm of things that could work.

 

[nicovh]

That sounds ridiculous. Frustrating long wait. Apple frustrating me more and more. In the Netherlands still no Apple Pay, Siri in Apple TV , news app. It's a shame.

I feel the pain... So many things don't work here in the Netherlands, especially with Siri. The 'Nearby' feature in Spotlight is just a joke.
Having an Apple Watch here would be ridiculously pointless, unless you travel alot to the states and can use it there hahaha.
And on the Macbook Pro side of things, it takes a friggin month or more to receive a normal, usa keyboard layout.
+ Currency exchanges makes every Apple product here so much more expensive...

On the bright side though, Apple Store in Amsterdam is pretty cool and the employees are nice

 

[Conversion]

I feel the pain... So many things don't work here in the Netherlands, especially with Siri. The 'Nearby' feature in Spotlight is just a joke.
Having an Apple Watch here would be ridiculously pointless, unless you travel alot to the states and can use it there hahaha.
And on the Macbook Pro side of things, it takes a friggin month or more to receive a normal, usa keyboard layout.
+ Currency exchanges makes every Apple product here so much more expensive...

On the bright side though, Apple Store in Amsterdam is pretty cool and the employees are nice

Same story for most of Europe. At least you have an Apple Store.

 

[destroyboredom]

Agreed. As long as the chips are there, the updates will take place at the March event. Every indication is that the chips will be/are available. I know chips for the 13" were available earlier but I suspect the reason for holding those until March is to launch the 13" and 15" with the re-design and colors at the same time. The 13" also has the benefit of being a processor generation ahead of the 15", so it's update isn't as urgent.

I don't know if an event on iPhone 5se ("budget" iPhone), iPad Air 3 and a few bands for the Watch is a full event. Seems paltry if you ask me. I still think the Mac line will see something.

 

[j1104638]

Update. Pages 176-178 are filled with not so constructive discussion about eGPU. No new rumours. Feel free to skip to page 179.

What do you mean when you write Apple eGPU soultion? A 500$ discrete graphic enclosure?

I mean what has been thoroughly explained to you several pages ago by several members. No, it's not what you've mentioned.
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People aren't satisfied with spending $2-3,000 dollars on a laptop, so they request Apple remove a large part of it, charge the same price, and force you to buy some bulky add on for better (read: normal) performance.

People aren't satisfied with inefficient laptop design because of 1/10th of the laptop (which outdated dGPU in rMBP is at best) and want it to be optimized. They request cheaper, more efficient laptop with optional unleashed desktop-tier GPU performance for fair money using long awaited technology. This has been explained to you thoroughly several pages ago by several members.

 

[snc]

I mean what has been thoroughly explained to you several pages ago by several members. No, it's not what you've mentioned.
[doublepost=1454458828][/doublepost]People aren't satisfied with inefficient laptop design because of 1/10th of the laptop (which outdated dGPU in rMBP is at best) and want it to be optimized. They request cheaper, more efficient laptop with optional unleashed desktop-tier GPU performance for fair money using long awaited technology. This has been explained to you thoroughly several pages ago by several members.

Just please give some more details about this eGPU So 2500$ and 3000$ version of macbook pro 15 will not have dGPU and what will we get for this?

 

[j1104638]

Just please give some more details about this eGPU So 2500$ and 3000$ version of macbook pro 15 will not have dGPU and what will we get for this?

Reread previous pages please Stop flooding.

 

[snc]

Reread previous pages please Stop flooding.

Last post from you that I remember is something about that 500$ for empty enclosure for graphic card that you have to buy is not suprising price Please, just buy Playstation

 

[killawat]

Guys don't forget, Intel GDC starts March 14. Intel details Skull Canyon NUC w/ TB 3 for eGPU if you need more horsepower.

BOOM, March 15, Apple releases 4kMBP I will dub SkyBook Pro or SkullzMac using similar guts. Intel suit is on Apple's stage, says something like "we teamed up with premium partners to deliver a great gaming experience".