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This wait is getting sooo f*cked up annoying. I need this machine in my life!!
Apple & Intel, put the goddamn pedal to the metal for crying out loud. Show us your lost innovative glory you @!%#^!"}

EDIT: 4 hours later, in bed, still stressed out. FML. Lemme dream about the rMBP in my hands
 
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Insane ... wouldn't go that far, -14% on the official price, yes.
But in fact I almost clicked on it 10 days ago or so, then thought let's do a last check on the next release, came on this thread and somehow decided to wait, but it HAS to be March !! :)

You're right, haha. I'm comparing the standard 256gb 13" with my config (512gb, 16gb RAM). Which is why it seemed insane (because 1400€ vs 2200€ is quite a big difference XD).

I really hope it's March!
 
[WARNING] highly stress induced post

This wait is getting sooo f*cked up annoying. I need this machine in my life!!
Apple & Intel, put the goddamn pedal to the metal for crying out loud. Show us your lost innovative glory you @!%#^!"}

EDIT: 4 hours later, in bed, still stressed out. FML. Lemme dream about the rMBP in my hands

Stay strong man. Find something to take your mind off of things. I'm learning to yodel and dab in iOS programming while skydiving. Helps pass the time.


Save your rage for after the March keynote. March 16, we mobilize.
 
It is. I'm saying if we don't hear anything on the 15th, we will probably take he rest of the day to grieve, then lose our collective minds on the 16th.

I will legit lose my fkn mind if i can't order / buy a Skylake Twin Turbo Supercharged Mega GTR Macbook Pro come March 15/16 or whenever this iWatch band sh!tshow is on.... I don't even care about a redesign tbh, just gimme internals that aren't from 1862 FFS. Although a redesign would definitely be gravy :)

I'll be the first to sign up to MBP anonymous if we're left hangin'......again.
 
[WARNING] highly stress induced post

This wait is getting sooo f*cked up annoying. I need this machine in my life!!
Apple & Intel, put the goddamn pedal to the metal for crying out loud. Show us your lost innovative glory you @!%#^!"}

EDIT: 4 hours later, in bed, still stressed out. FML. Lemme dream about the rMBP in my hands
I feel your pain. I'm stressed that they will make the nMacBook Pro, crippled as the 13" Macbook is.I keep looking at the 2015 refurbs, but the one I want, I just don't have the $$ for yet.
If they make too much of a major change, such as limited ports, the refurbs will sell like crazy. And that's where I'm going...CRAZY!
 
[WARNING] highly stress induced post

This wait is getting sooo f*cked up annoying. I need this machine in my life!!
Apple & Intel, put the goddamn pedal to the metal for crying out loud. Show us your lost innovative glory you @!%#^!"}
I feel you. A good way to calm the mind is doing some breathing exercises and yoga.

You start like this:

bhastrika-pranayam-asana.jpg


And end up like this:

Computer-Baba-and-sadhu.jpg
 
I'm really curious how far Apple can push the envelope. Competition never has been so fierce. If I look at the value for money on this thing: http://www.amazon.com/ZenBook-Ultra...ie=UTF8&qid=1455265890&sr=8-2&keywords=g501vw (that is if you can dig Windows) I get watery eyes...

Again not promoting Windows or anything, I just installed Win10 on my mini Acer 11" that I bought for 270,- just as a "netbook" and upgraded it to its max 8 GB Ram, it's a Pentium N3700 Quadcore 1,6 GHz and with a fast standard SSD from Samsung and with Win10 this little crap FLIES and I can perfectly use Adobe Creative Cloud, even though it was never intended to do so, it's just that Win10 REALLY is performant. And I hate to admit this.

So given the plenty of options and my kind of work (Adobe Creative Cloud mainly, and this just works as fine on Windows machines) I truly do hope Apple gives me good reasons besides "looks good" and "the OS awkwardly feels more natural than windows" to dig deep into my pocket and basically shell out 80% more than for an Asus or Dell.
 
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I'm really curious how far Apple can push the envelope. Competition never has been so fierce. If I look at the value for money on this thing: http://www.amazon.com/ZenBook-Ultra...ie=UTF8&qid=1455265890&sr=8-2&keywords=g501vw (that is if you can dig Windows) I get watery eyes...

Again not promoting Windows or anything, I just installed Win10 on my mini Acer 11" that I bought for 270,- just as a "netbook" and upgraded it to its max 8 GB Ram, it's a Pentium N3700 Quadcore 1,6 GHz and with a fast standard SSD from Samsung and with Win10 this little crap FLIES and I can perfectly use Adobe Creative Cloud, even though it was never intended to do so, it's just that Win10 REALLY is performant. And I hate to admit this.

So given the plenty of options and my kind of work (Adobe Creative Cloud mainly, and this just works as fine on Windows machines) I truly do hope Apple gives me good reasons besides "looks good" and "the OS awkwardly feels more natural than windows" to dig deep into my pocket and basically shell out 80% more than for an Asus or Dell.

Exactly what I meant. Other offerings are not that shabby anymore and WIN10 is getting a real alternative ....
 
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Exactly what I meant. Other offerings are not that shabby anymore and WIN10 is getting a real alternative ....

All this talk about jumping ship is getting to me. Do you guys know of any Apple alternatives that offer similar levels of build quality (and obviously the specs we're all waiting for)?
 
All this talk about jumping ship is getting to me. Do you guys know of any Apple alternatives that offer similar levels of build quality (and obviously the specs we're all waiting for)?
What I've seen so far would be the Dell XPS or HP Spectre lines. But I've no idea what long term build quality and noise/heat emissions are like....
 
All this talk about jumping ship is getting to me. Do you guys know of any Apple alternatives that offer similar levels of build quality (and obviously the specs we're all waiting for)?

The Dell XPS 15" is an excellent machine and the Asus ZenBook Pro 15" is awesome value for money and also metal-body. True, none of the alternatives are built AS sturdy and sophisticated as an Apple MBP, BUT you get other advantages in advance, like for a few mm thicker body you get dedicated graphics like NVidia GTX 960 M with up to 4 GB VRam or like in the case of dell the option to totally easily upgrade your ram through a bottom-latch and with just a few screws go even into the latop itself if that is your thing.

Don't get me wrong folks I love MacOS and I love Apple products, but for me I'm at a point where I need to look at my productivity and Windows 10 (after you got rid of the bloated starting menue and all that tile ****, which is fairly easy) is blazingly fast. I have no experiences yet how Win10 will behave with 3 years worth of software and crap in the registry (if it will lead to more frequent crashes and slowdowns which is typical windows behaviour) but freshly out of the box it's really amazing, maybe not as intiuitive to use as Mac Os but the differences really become less and less.

I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay up to 3.000 for a MacBook Pro if same and in certain areas even higher performance can be bought from dell for example for around 2.200 fully decked. I just expect some real performance and value for my money, a mm shaved of thickness and maybe 3 mm shaved of a screen bezel is not what I call "worth my money" honestly. I do LOVE design and build quality but I love productivity and money's worth more. Very subjective though.

If they'd decide to put Macbooks Keyboard on the Pro it's a switch for me anyways...
[doublepost=1455277222][/doublepost]http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC

Just look at the stats, user upgradable to 32 GB DDR4 Ram...
Just saying.

Yes some parts are still plastic, yes it's Windows.
But still, Apple is not "light years ahead"anymore. Maybe in design... if even.

AND another thing I was wondering.
For whom is a MacBook Pro?
I get that it offers performance as mobile as possible. But I figured people that really need some OOMPH in their work, are mostly bound at a location anyways, are they not? I don't see sound engineers mix their work on a bus or on a bench in a park. Also I don't see working film students or professional special effects guys working away in premiere and after effects while on the go or sitting at Starbucks. So for whom is it? For graphic designers like me, mostly making brochures, leaflets and catalogues? Probably, I enjoy to do my work on the terrace or have the laptop with me when I'm at an appointment and get that dreaded call from the printers that I need to fix a tiny thing on the PDF and resend it. The mobility allows me to quickly fix it up in an cafe or elsewhere instead of having to drive home into my office.

But still, do I need that kind of performance on the go? Wouldn't I be better off (logically and financially) to keep using my more-than-strong-enough MacMini late 2012 (around 12000 in geekbench) and just get a Macbook Air for my occassional writing sessions and quickly editing something for a customer? Adobe Creative Suite works well enough on such a small thing (heck it even works on my 270,- Acer Netbook reasonably well) for quick things on the go. Sure, writing a print PDF takes 8x longer than on my Macmini, but still...

Is it worth investing around 3K in money for a laptop that probably has lost it's focus? What do I mean by that... I mean that when I look at Lenovo they offer the P50 and P70 Laptops and brand them as "mobile workstations". It's for industrial workers, architects, engineers who often have to do work "on location". Those laptops are nowhere near as beautiful as the MacBook Pro. They are practical and sturdy. Black Plastic all over and even a bit bulky. Still portable enough to carry them in a case or rucksack, bring them to some construction site and work away your 8 hours before taking it home again. I like that concept.

The ULTRA-portability and ULTRA performance the Macbook Pros try to achieve are somewhat "unfocused" on my book. What I mean by this is, STOP making them thinner. Yes, sure redesign them, less bezels, colors etc... but still, don't make them thinner, use the space for more performance and better cooling. They're more than portable enough. Most people that need even more portability are off well enough with a Macbook Air (maybe updated one) or at maximum Macbook Pro 13". At least that's how I see it. Bloggers, Journalists, heck maybe even Photographers will probably take their pictures, check them out on their MacBook Air, or entry level 13" Pro, do some color corrections but I don't think they will do model-retouching or composition of large multi-megapixel images on a tiny screen on site will they?

So I basically mean: Do you NEED a Macbook Pro thats SO powerful and SO expensive because it also tries to be SO portable? I want a Macbook Pro to not only work in my small home office that started to feel like a prison the last years... I want to work in the garden, on the terrace, in an cafe. I mostly do brochures and catalogues so no "artsy" graphic design. I don't think I need the same kind of performance maybe some video editor or sound engineer would need, but then again I question anyways why they would need such performance on the go anyways, when they're most likely dependent on other equipment, thats stationary, anyways.

Thoughts?
 
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All this talk about jumping ship is getting to me. Do you guys know of any Apple alternatives that offer similar levels of build quality (and obviously the specs we're all waiting for)?

Dell Precision 15 5000

-Skylake Xenon CPU
-RAM up to 32GB DDR4
-Nvidia Quadro 2GB GDDR5
-15,6 inch 4k touch infinity display and 100% Adobe RGB
-Dual Storage option

Same XPS 15 chassis and weight.

 
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what about the battery life - performance ratio? do Dell (or anyone) actually have the figures to compete with Apple on this?
Almost all "high end" Windows laptops get minimum 8 hour battery life these days. While not AS good as the MacBooks, the reality is Intels new architectures have brought everyone up, not just Apple (remember the Pros used to only get -5 hours or so too).
 
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Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version

Apple MacBook Air 11"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Air 13"
12 hours

Apple Macbook 12"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 13"
10 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 15"
6 hours (sporting dGPU and 4K screen, like the Dell XPS 15")

Lenovo X1 Yoga 14"
11 hours

Lenovo Thinkpad Business T560 15"
24 hours (!?)

Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.


Comparing those values with the overall build quality, performance (most of those mentioned sport latest Skylake chips, PCIe 4x SSD, DDR4 Ram and all modern connectivity you could want) and the fact that Windows has caught up immensely to Mac OS it really shows, that Apple needs to bring something truly great. The gap isn't that big anymore, valuing in your money's worth some could argue that a good machine (Dell XPS 13" is exemplary in almost everything) with Win10 might even surpass a Macbook Pro 13" in sheer performance for your buck. If you're willing to pay 40-60% more for the OS and the design, that's everyone's own thing.

I'm really confused.
 
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Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version

Apple MacBook Air 11"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Air 13"
12 hours

Apple Macbook 12"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 13"
10 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 15"
6 hours (sporting dGPU and 4K screen, like the Dell XPS 15")

Lenovo X1 Yoga 14"
11 hours

Lenovo Thinkpad Business T560 15"
24 hours (!?)

Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.


Comparing those values with the overall build quality, performance (most of those mentioned sport latest Skylake chips, PCIe 4x SSD, DDR4 Ram and all modern connectivity you could want) and the fact that Windows has caught up immensely to Mac OS it really shows, that Apple needs to bring something truly great. The gap isn't that big anymore, valuing in your money's worth some could argue that a good machine (Dell XPS 13" is exemplary in almost everything) with Win10 might even surpass a Macbook Pro 13" in sheer performance for your buck. If you're willing to pay 40-60% more for the OS and the design, that's everyone's own thing.

I'm really confused.
I can simplify this decision for you.

There are only two types of people who need to buy Apple computers:

1. Those who love/like/need/prefer OS X.
2. Those who love/like/need/prefer the super minimalist, sleek, Jony-Ive-I'm trapped-in-a-white-room aesthetics.

If neither of these apply to you, you're better off with something else.

The lead Apple used to have in hardware quality and software quality is not significant these days. And totally not worth it when you are sacrificing machine customisation both in choice (eg nVidia GPUs) and timeliness of using the most up to date parts (check the CPU and GPU in the Mac Pro).
 
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Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version

Apple MacBook Air 11"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Air 13"
12 hours

Apple Macbook 12"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 13"
10 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 15"
6 hours (sporting dGPU and 4K screen, like the Dell XPS 15")

Lenovo X1 Yoga 14"
11 hours

Lenovo Thinkpad Business T560 15"
24 hours (!?)

Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.


Comparing those values with the overall build quality, performance (most of those mentioned sport latest Skylake chips, PCIe 4x SSD, DDR4 Ram and all modern connectivity you could want) and the fact that Windows has caught up immensely to Mac OS it really shows, that Apple needs to bring something truly great. The gap isn't that big anymore, valuing in your money's worth some could argue that a good machine (Dell XPS 13" is exemplary in almost everything) with Win10 might even surpass a Macbook Pro 13" in sheer performance for your buck. If you're willing to pay 40-60% more for the OS and the design, that's everyone's own thing.

I'm really confused.

I could personally care less about OSX as a whole. I like the OS well enough, but I am NOT something who thinks "WinBlowze" is way behind. To me, the actual experience of using Windows 10 and OSX are identical. The reason I like Macbooks is the ABILITY to run all three major OS's (OSX/Windows/Nix) natively. Its just a boon for development.

But that isnt a good enough reason to hold out forever. I dont know if Apple is just very secretive with Macbooks right now or if they truly have forgotten about them for iOS, but there in a precarious position for (my) dollars at the moment.
 
Also if "Value" is within the metrics you would use to purchase hardware I would suggest you steer clear of Apple's offerings. One thing Apple sucks at is at offering value. PC OEMs however excel at that, they give you top of the line hardware for half the price (sometimes even deeper discounts) that Apple would charge. I mean come on, we are talking about the company that charges US$500 for a 1TB SSD upgrade (don't get me started on RAM). Value is something that pushes many people to the windows side, and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, "value" is what fuels the majority of Apple haters on the Internet. (i.e. Dude that crApple laptop sucks, I could get a top of the line i7 and GTX gpu for like a third of what you paid for that POS")(or the famous: The iphone is an overpriced POS)
 
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