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With an 4+ year old design and competitors coming out with new ideas and product, apple needs to refresh the look of the rMBP. If not, it would cause a big percentage of people switching to the windows realm. Even if its just adding colour options, they need to update something about the body

Blah blah blah, logic logic, things that make sense....don't wanna hear it! :)
 
Yep...I'm now all in on a 'silent' update, no redesign just new guts. Who's with me? Get in line ladies n' gents!

With an 4+ year old design and competitors coming out with new ideas and product, apple needs to refresh the look of the rMBP. If not, it would cause a big percentage of people switching to the windows realm. Even if its just adding colour options, they need to update something about the body

I feel like the redesign is the easy part of this process. Apple has the capability for the colors, new battery technology, new keyboard, etc. The rMB is nearly a year old. The delay is based on Intel; the guts are the tough part. Any release of the rMBP without the design language from the rMB would be so disappointing. The new rMBPs should be superior to the rMB in every way.
 
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With an 4+ year old design and competitors coming out with new ideas and product, apple needs to refresh the look of the rMBP. If not, it would cause a big percentage of people switching to the windows realm. Even if its just adding colour options, they need to update something about the body
But are competitors really coming out with new ideas? Sure, the slim bezel on Dell's XPS line, but that wasn't even their innovation, it was the screen supplier's innovation.

To be fair I still can't come up with any PC designs that surpass that of the rMBP in terms of quality, durability and design. But I'd happily be wrong since its design, as you point out, is over 4 years old.
 
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But are competitors really coming out with new ideas? Sure, the slim bezel on Dell's XPS line, but that wasn't even their innovation, it was the screen supplier's innovation.

To be fair I still can't come up with any PC designs that surpass that of the rMBP in terms of quality, durability and design. But I'd happily be wrong since its design, as you point out, is over 4 years old.

Very true. The design of the rMBP is the best out there. No doubt.
But I was more so talking about the average consumer who isn't really involved in technology. The people who would switch would be the ones that probably would look at features&specs vs price and what has been updated vs previous generations.

For example, they see laptops like the Surface Book, being capable of detaching as a tablet, stylus capabilities etc etc etc. These are "new" factors that might interest people more because the Surface book or 'X' Laptop has more options, functionality wise, than the current rMBP has to offer. It's up to the individual to decide wether those new functions and options are valuable for them and if that makes 'X' laptop "better" than 'Y' laptop.

Luckily, we know what's up
 
For example, they see laptops like the Surface Book, being capable of detaching as a tablet, stylus capabilities etc etc etc.

I just hope Apple doesn't also fall into this (to me) bullsh*t trap as well. I can't say I'm not slightly worried :(
 
Talk a little about 5k thunderbolt display. What do you think? If they won't come out with an upgraded display than they will pack in the box a magsafe to magsafe 2 adapter and a magsafe 2 to magsafe 3 or usb-c adapter and a thunderbolt to thunderbolt 3 adapter? Or they don't do anything and release an almost complete Macbook line which unsupported by the standalone display?
 
Very true. The design of the rMBP is the best out there. No doubt.
But I was more so talking about the average consumer who isn't really involved in technology. The people who would switch would be the ones that probably would look at features&specs vs price and what has been updated vs previous generations.

For example, they see laptops like the Surface Book, being capable of detaching as a tablet, stylus capabilities etc etc etc. These are "new" factors that might interest people more because the Surface book or 'X' Laptop has more options, functionality wise, than the current rMBP has to offer. It's up to the individual to decide wether those new functions and options are valuable for them and if that makes 'X' laptop "better" than 'Y' laptop.

Luckily, we know what's up
I get where you're coming from, but even though Surface Book might be appealing to some customers, that's not a new innovation, it's been around for many years. Plus, I'm pretty confident that people who buy these hybrids will soon come to realise that they come with huge drawbacks. They'll end up using one or the other basically. As you can tell I'm not a huge fan of hybrids. But that's another discussion.

What I basically mean is that still today, four (4!) years later, there's not a single PC laptop that can compete with rMBP's design. Sadly, I might add.
 
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I get where you're coming from, but even though Surface Book might be appealing to some customers, that's not a new innovation, it's been around for many years. Plus, I'm pretty confident that people who buy these hybrids will soon come to realise that they come with huge drawbacks. They'll end up using one or the other basically. As you can tell I'm not a huge fan of hybrids. But that's another discussion.

What I basically mean is that still today, four (4!) years later, there's not a single PC laptop that can compete with rMBP's design. Sadly, I might add.

Generally Apple has followed Dieter Rams 'as little as possible' maxim to good effect ( quite literally in some cases :eek: )

Which helped establish Apple's standing in the design community in the early days...which in turn helped these products achieve 'desirable' status.

Maybe because of the nature of Windows laptop's ( function over form) and the diversity of providers, windows laptop's have been a little slow latching on to the importance of this maxim...it's changing, as we're seeing now.

Still, it's a balancing act and as we've seen repeated on this forum many times if apple slips too far towards form, many will be hopping over to some brick like Lenovo product/slightly thicker Windows machine because of the function.

I think this next rMBP release will be a big indicator of which way apple will be going in it's form/function balance.
 
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Sorry to break up the debate about whether or not the PC competition has caught up with Apple design-wise - but I just came to a slightly reassuring realisation.

So far, the only news we've been hearing is about the iPads, the Apple watch bands and the iPhone 5SE. No parts leaks whatsoever have shown up for these products though. I think Apple has really got its supply chain by a choke hold, and is letting nothing out.

If the leaks concerning the iPhone, iPads and Apple watch have all come from Apple, maybe they're intentionally omitting any leaks about the rMBPs to maximise the element of surprise?
 
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would look at features&specs vs price
They probably won't buy an Apple Computer. You buy a Mac for performance & efficiency but you can't see this in the specs!

If the leaks concerning the iPhone, iPads and Apple watch have all come from Apple, maybe they're intentionally omitting any leaks about the rMBPs to maximise the element of surprise?
Yes, I hope so. That would make sense to have a "One More Thing"
 
tinfoil hat warning... if there were no leaks at all the surprise would be greater even with slightly more attention to Macs.
Couldn't stop myself :)

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tinfoil hat warning... if there were no leaks at all the surprise would be greater even with slightly more attention to Macs.

I don't know about that...
Yeah, it's going to be a big surprise, and I can already see all the web saying "the new MBP no-one was aware of it's here".
But still, I think that having just a few leaks about the new MBP would have give really more excitement.

Imagine if we had a part of new chassis of the redesigned MBP.
Just a tiny part, not enough to confirm us that is shortly coming, but enough to convince that it's a real piece of an Apple product.
Expectation would have gone over the top, and its waiting too.
Right now we almost know that this MBP is coming, just don't know when.

To be clear: look at all the leaks about the upcoming iPhone and iPad.
They are keeping the attention high.
Why don't do the same thing for the MBP?
I think is somehow related to the Osborne Effect.
But anyway, let's still wait.
By now is almost a month.
Time is running...
 
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My prediction is no redesign apart from adding USB-type C in place of the Thunderbolt ports allowing Thunderbolt 3 to run over type-C. If type-C is going to be the one port that rules them all it is going to need Apple to start putting it in its Macs this year and not wait until 2017.

I think this is the year that Apple launches the Macbook Pro in the three colours the iPhones are available in.

My wild prediction is whether Apple phases out the headphone port and replaces it with a Lightning port ahead of what we expect is coming with the iPhone 7.

I think the Macbook might get another USB-type C port but maybe not. I think Skylake is the final year for the Macbook Air.

2017 prediction: Macbook drops in price to take the place of Macbook Air as entry level laptop.
2017 or 2018 redesign of rMBP taking design hints from both the rMB and the Air to make the rMBP even thinner.
 
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