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STOP making them thinner. Yes, sure redesign them, less bezels, colors etc... but still, don't make them thinner, use the space for more performance and better cooling.
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This.
I don't want a slimmer computer, I want a more powerful computer.
Please, Apple. Please.

By the way I would like more power in the next MBP because I'm so starting being interested in visual arts, like videomapping or stuff like Processing, so having more graphic power would be great.
Hell, my current MBP is not capable of running Half-Life2 on full screen!
(speaking of which: anyone here waiting also for Half-Life3? So we can share another infinite wait...)


So come on, Apple. Make this happen.
New rMBP, more powerful, more battery.
That's it.
 
Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version

Apple MacBook Air 11"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Air 13"
12 hours

Apple Macbook 12"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 13"
10 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 15"
6 hours (sporting dGPU and 4K screen, like the Dell XPS 15")

Lenovo X1 Yoga 14"
11 hours

Lenovo Thinkpad Business T560 15"
24 hours (!?)

Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.


Comparing those values with the overall build quality, performance (most of those mentioned sport latest Skylake chips, PCIe 4x SSD, DDR4 Ram and all modern connectivity you could want) and the fact that Windows has caught up immensely to Mac OS it really shows, that Apple needs to bring something truly great. The gap isn't that big anymore, valuing in your money's worth some could argue that a good machine (Dell XPS 13" is exemplary in almost everything) with Win10 might even surpass a Macbook Pro 13" in sheer performance for your buck. If you're willing to pay 40-60% more for the OS and the design, that's everyone's own thing.

I'm really confused.
Oh this data is bulshit. Notebookcheck tested that mbp15 has almost 40% better battery life on wifi than xps15 (432 minutes vs 309)
 
Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version

Apple MacBook Air 11"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Air 13"
12 hours

Apple Macbook 12"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 13"
10 hours

Asus Zenbook Pro 15"
6 hours (sporting dGPU and 4K screen, like the Dell XPS 15")

Lenovo X1 Yoga 14"
11 hours

Lenovo Thinkpad Business T560 15"
24 hours (!?)

Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.


Comparing those values with the overall build quality, performance (most of those mentioned sport latest Skylake chips, PCIe 4x SSD, DDR4 Ram and all modern connectivity you could want) and the fact that Windows has caught up immensely to Mac OS it really shows, that Apple needs to bring something truly great. The gap isn't that big anymore, valuing in your money's worth some could argue that a good machine (Dell XPS 13" is exemplary in almost everything) with Win10 might even surpass a Macbook Pro 13" in sheer performance for your buck. If you're willing to pay 40-60% more for the OS and the design, that's everyone's own thing.

I'm really confused.
Not to be a fan boy but isn't it still a fact that Apple actually keeps their promises regarding battery life while other vendors tend to exaggerate quite a bit?
 
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This.
I don't want a slimmer computer, I want a more powerful computer.
Please, Apple. Please.
I guess this shows that different people have different requirements. I walk about an hour a day carting my MBP with me. My back would greatly appreciate a computer that's more powerful, sure, but also lighter. The awesome thing about the MBP is that they've always managed a good balance between weight, power and battery life.
 
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The Dell XPS 15" is an excellent machine and the Asus ZenBook Pro 15" is awesome value for money and also metal-body. True, none of the alternatives are built AS sturdy and sophisticated as an Apple MBP, BUT you get other advantages in advance, like for a few mm thicker body you get dedicated graphics like NVidia GTX 960 M with up to 4 GB VRam or like in the case of dell the option to totally easily upgrade your ram through a bottom-latch and with just a few screws go even into the latop itself if that is your thing.

Don't get me wrong folks I love MacOS and I love Apple products, but for me I'm at a point where I need to look at my productivity and Windows 10 (after you got rid of the bloated starting menue and all that tile ****, which is fairly easy) is blazingly fast. I have no experiences yet how Win10 will behave with 3 years worth of software and crap in the registry (if it will lead to more frequent crashes and slowdowns which is typical windows behaviour) but freshly out of the box it's really amazing, maybe not as intiuitive to use as Mac Os but the differences really become less and less.

I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay up to 3.000 for a MacBook Pro if same and in certain areas even higher performance can be bought from dell for example for around 2.200 fully decked. I just expect some real performance and value for my money, a mm shaved of thickness and maybe 3 mm shaved of a screen bezel is not what I call "worth my money" honestly. I do LOVE design and build quality but I love productivity and money's worth more. Very subjective though.

If they'd decide to put Macbooks Keyboard on the Pro it's a switch for me anyways...
[doublepost=1455277222][/doublepost]http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC

Just look at the stats, user upgradable to 32 GB DDR4 Ram...
Just saying.

Yes some parts are still plastic, yes it's Windows.
But still, Apple is not "light years ahead"anymore. Maybe in design... if even.

AND another thing I was wondering.
For whom is a MacBook Pro?
I get that it offers performance as mobile as possible. But I figured people that really need some OOMPH in their work, are mostly bound at a location anyways, are they not? I don't see sound engineers mix their work on a bus or on a bench in a park. Also I don't see working film students or professional special effects guys working away in premiere and after effects while on the go or sitting at Starbucks. So for whom is it? For graphic designers like me, mostly making brochures, leaflets and catalogues? Probably, I enjoy to do my work on the terrace or have the laptop with me when I'm at an appointment and get that dreaded call from the printers that I need to fix a tiny thing on the PDF and resend it. The mobility allows me to quickly fix it up in an cafe or elsewhere instead of having to drive home into my office.

But still, do I need that kind of performance on the go? Wouldn't I be better off (logically and financially) to keep using my more-than-strong-enough MacMini late 2012 (around 12000 in geekbench) and just get a Macbook Air for my occassional writing sessions and quickly editing something for a customer? Adobe Creative Suite works well enough on such a small thing (heck it even works on my 270,- Acer Netbook reasonably well) for quick things on the go. Sure, writing a print PDF takes 8x longer than on my Macmini, but still...

Is it worth investing around 3K in money for a laptop that probably has lost it's focus? What do I mean by that... I mean that when I look at Lenovo they offer the P50 and P70 Laptops and brand them as "mobile workstations". It's for industrial workers, architects, engineers who often have to do work "on location". Those laptops are nowhere near as beautiful as the MacBook Pro. They are practical and sturdy. Black Plastic all over and even a bit bulky. Still portable enough to carry them in a case or rucksack, bring them to some construction site and work away your 8 hours before taking it home again. I like that concept.

The ULTRA-portability and ULTRA performance the Macbook Pros try to achieve are somewhat "unfocused" on my book. What I mean by this is, STOP making them thinner. Yes, sure redesign them, less bezels, colors etc... but still, don't make them thinner, use the space for more performance and better cooling. They're more than portable enough. Most people that need even more portability are off well enough with a Macbook Air (maybe updated one) or at maximum Macbook Pro 13". At least that's how I see it. Bloggers, Journalists, heck maybe even Photographers will probably take their pictures, check them out on their MacBook Air, or entry level 13" Pro, do some color corrections but I don't think they will do model-retouching or composition of large multi-megapixel images on a tiny screen on site will they?

So I basically mean: Do you NEED a Macbook Pro thats SO powerful and SO expensive because it also tries to be SO portable? I want a Macbook Pro to not only work in my small home office that started to feel like a prison the last years... I want to work in the garden, on the terrace, in an cafe. I mostly do brochures and catalogues so no "artsy" graphic design. I don't think I need the same kind of performance maybe some video editor or sound engineer would need, but then again I question anyways why they would need such performance on the go anyways, when they're most likely dependent on other equipment, thats stationary, anyways.

Thoughts?


Well... there is too things you are addressing here.

One. And I agree with that. "Don't make it more portable." It IS portable enough. And sacrifices performance being as thin as it is. I'm still lugging around an early 2011 17" MBP. It's a tiny bit bulky... but otherwise the perfect machine and still plenty powerful.

Two. "For who is this kind of MBP. Pros are usually desk-bound. They wouldn't work on this small screen."
With this I completely disagree. I want/need a (more or less) powerful computer at home. Photo editing, FCPX, the occassional game, standard office crap,…
Then again I also need a powerful computer at work IN the office (as in, the office building). And about once or twice a week when I am on the road for all-day workshops etc. at my (as in the one I work for) company.

Unless it's something small and simply I ALWAYS hook up a big screen to work and work dual screen.
1920x1200 on the MBP and at the same time either 2560x1440 or x1600.
Only at the clients places do I rely on the internal display only.

Now the same could be had with two desktop machines and a smaller notebook... or something like this. But
a) this would be MORE expensive
b) a hassle to maintain
I simply HATE to have to deal with more than one computer.
Keep all the software up to date... with all the extensions and settings I am using... etc..
And... keeping the files in sync...
iCloud Drive and Dropbox alone are simply not cutting it. And as per Murphy's Law... you have 99% file parity... but the ONE file you need all of a sudden... it's on the other computer. So... no thanks!
 
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Oh this data is bulshit. Notebookcheck tested that mbp15 has almost 40% better battery life on wifi than xps15 (432 minutes vs 309)

Yea. I'm not sure where he got the numbers. He must be comparing the 1080p versions of the XPS.

Also if "Value" is within the metrics you would use to purchase hardware I would suggest you steer clear of Apple's offerings. One thing Apple sucks at is at offering value. PC OEMs however excel at that, they give you top of the line hardware for half the price (sometimes even deeper discounts) that Apple would charge. I mean come on, we are talking about the company that charges US$500 for a 1TB SSD upgrade (don't get me started on RAM). Value is something that pushes many people to the windows side, and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, "value" is what fuels the majority of Apple haters on the Internet. (i.e. Dude that crApple laptop sucks, I could get a top of the line i7 and GTX gpu for like a third of what you paid for that POS")(or the famous: The iphone is an overpriced POS)

There are plenty of PCs just as or more expensive than the even the current outdated rMBPs for the same performance.

Plus, its easy to get lost in spec sheets. Windows OEMs can boast about PCIe SSDs all they like but they typically have terrible write speeds compared to Apple's SSDs. I don't think Apple's BTO SSD prices aren't bad at all. The RAM upgrade is DEFINITELY overpriced, so I will give you that. It's also easy to boast 4K display, but there are other aspects to a display than simply resolution. Apple also uses higher end processors.

I mean, anyone can put a GTX 980M, 6700HQ, 32GB of RAM in a 3" thick plastic brick with a 1080p TN panel and a half-useless trackpad for $1500. I get into discussions with people at my university who say they hate Mac or think it's overpriced. When I show them expensive PCs, they turn quiet. One said that he wasn't looking into building quality, and that didn't matter to him.

The fact is, the majority of people don't care about build quality, screen quality, trackpad quality, etc. They simply go to Best buy and see specs and price on the sheet.

Oh, and I'm not taking away from the XPS line. I've owned two XPSs myself in the past. It's my go to recommendation for those that want Windows with good built quality and performance for the price. Stronger competition from the PC sides means better MacBooks for those of use who want/need OS X.
 
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I figured people that really need some OOMPH in their work, are mostly bound at a location anyways, are they not?
What does that even mean? Yes, when they put their laptop down and get to work, they're bound at that location. The point of the portability is that they can change that location at a whim.

You can't be looking very hard if you've never seen people do work on laptops outside of an office building or home.
 
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Battery Life Comparison (specs by manufacturer)
currently offered machines in top-of-the-line-version


Apple Macbook Pro Retina 13"
9 hours

Apple Macbook Pro Retina 15"
10 hours

Dell XPS 13"
18 hours (wtf!)

Dell XPS 15"
11 hours


Please note that some of those, like the Dell XPS 15" sport a dGPU and still manage, through clever management, up to 11 hours of battery life.

I highly doubt that the 4K Panel XPS 15" lasts 11 hours. I've read and watched reviews, all of which claims an average of 4 hours. Sadly, one of the things that put me off the XPS.
 
I highly doubt that the 4K Panel XPS 15" lasts 11 hours. I've read and watched reviews, all of which claims an average of 4 hours. Sadly, one of the things that put me off the XPS.

Ditto. I was sold until I realized the battery life was **** even with the extended battery
 
Don't know if this was posted before but the iris 550 (graphics for the next 13inch rmbp) managed a 61fps in the open gl cinebench test, amazing!

Source:

Edit: the iris 6100 graphics in the current rmbp manage 30 fps. Incredible progress!
 
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So to clarify a few things here:

All the alleged times of battery life I posted earlier, I got from the respective product pages of the manufacturer. No personal experience.

I in no way was saying that I despise Apple or their products. Actually I prefer MacOS over Windows any day, I said that several times, but the gap is closing and there are plenty of Laptops out there who also have awesome trackpad (btw I'd never use that for professional work, only for quickly checking something, writing or surfing the web, but thats MY habit and you don't have to agree to that) and awesome screens. XPS 15" claims to have 100% Adobe RGB. Something I'd really welcome when working from the small screen and preparing photos or print products.

Also I've worked plenty in and out of office and on the road, been self employed for 8 years and still kicking so please spare me the "you obviously don't work much" stuff. It's all personal opinions and experiences ME and YOU are posting here, I thought that goes without mentioning...

THAT's the reason why I was figuring why people would need a portable AND powerful notebook. Sure, the examples you people gave have a solid point, like having screens setup at home and at work and only having one computer without the need to synch any files is hassle free and productive, no questions asked, I totally agree. I might have not made myself clear in some points (sorry english is not my native language).

I just meant that the MBPs are portable as they are, if they are a few ounces heavier or a mm or two thicker or they keep their current size, it won't make much of a difference for you people who carry it around on a daily basis right? I just mean that the Macbook Pro line should be the "end of it all" powerful portable computer, sure, but there are "more portable" ones in the lineup and if I really have to weigh in power over portability I'd easily go with power for that particular laptop line.

Of course, again, its all personal opinion and I didn't want to step on anybodies toes, I'm just really curious about your people's point of view! Thats all! :)
 
Don't know if this was posted before but the iris 550 (graphics for the next 13inch rmbp) managed a 61fps in the open gl cinebench test, amazing!

Source:



Wow! This looks pretty neat! I had a Sony Vaio as my last to last computer and I know Vaio machines are not bad !
 
All these alternatives mentioned don't have FaceTime/iMessage.
Also if "Value" is within the metrics you would use to purchase hardware I would suggest you steer clear of Apple's offerings. One thing Apple sucks at is at offering value. PC OEMs however excel at that, they give you top of the line hardware for half the price (sometimes even deeper discounts) that Apple would charge. I mean come on, we are talking about the company that charges US$500 for a 1TB SSD upgrade (don't get me started on RAM). Value is something that pushes many people to the windows side, and there is nothing wrong with that. Also, "value" is what fuels the majority of Apple haters on the Internet. (i.e. Dude that crApple laptop sucks, I could get a top of the line i7 and GTX gpu for like a third of what you paid for that POS")(or the famous: The iphone is an overpriced POS)

Basic economics, value is based on supply/demand. As long as we keep buying, they'll keep giving us less for our dollar. Some people (myself included) find value in the ecosystem. Having FaceTime, iMessage, continuation, and other features like those is part of the 'value' I put into their hardware.

Though Apple should really watch out. Microsoft's continuum seems interesting, and if there's ever been anything else that would lure me away from Apple's ecosystem, it's that.
 
Agree on this, they now are thin enough for a laptop, plus , why having an Air and MBP lines then ?

Hey, do you actually think that apple wont go any slimmer? HAHAHA...
Well with this competition .....(look microsoft book , look dell XPS, look sony Z, look hp folio) if it doesnt go any slimmer , will surely lose ground....

So for sure (in my opinion ) will go strongly slimmer!...
 
Hey, do you actually think that apple wont go any slimmer? HAHAHA...
Well with this competition .....(look microsoft book , look dell XPS, look sony Z, look hp folio) if it doesnt go any slimmer , will surely lose ground....

So for sure (in my opinion ) will go strongly slimmer!...

The Microsoft Surface Pro / Book, HP Folio and Dell XPS all use 15Watt CPU's, which are below what the Macbook Pro uses. The proper comparison for them would be the Macbook Air.
 
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It really sad that MacRumors and 9to5Mac still report only news about iPhone and iPad.
Even Gurman only speaks about them.
Damn it, how I hate this lack of information!

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I hope that they just upgrade to haswell or broadwell instead of skylake, said no body ever. I truly hope that the skylake 13" mbpr come out or are announced in March, otherwise I will be kind of happy also said no one ever. But for real if they announce new MBPr's on March 15 my life will be changed.

More info here: http://9to5mac.com/2016/02/12/iphone-5se-ipad-air-3-march-18/

Interestingly, new business strategy for Apple would be to give no pre-sale and assure availability within a week of announcement.
 
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Blergh, not good news. Feels like a long shot anything MBP-related will be announced on March 15, based on this latest. Help me "One more thing...", you're our only hope!

Maybe they will throw in a new underpowered overpriced macbook two and some desperate ploy to push apple music. I just got my logic board replace im my macbook pro 2011, I should be able to keep that alive until june :)
 
Yep...I'm now all in on a 'silent' update, no redesign just new guts. Who's with me? Get in line ladies n' gents!

With an 4+ year old design and competitors coming out with new ideas and product, apple needs to refresh the look of the rMBP. If not, it would cause a big percentage of people switching to the windows realm. Even if its just adding colour options, they need to update something about the body
 
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