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Guate7 said:
Too bad you think my post is garbage, i was just trying to inform. However, you are misconstrued in regards to my intention. I have no ulterior motive (Scare tactics???). I quick-scan this forum quite often but rarely reply as i need to focus on my biomedical research, but i had to chime in this time because I, as a decent human being, feel i should inform others the gamble they are making with buying an XPS. Now, i am not going to get into details, but i typically have more disposable income than the normal person, and feel it would be a too risky even in my case. Maybe money is not an issue to the OP, but i assume it is for everyone.

I have never owned a Mac. I have only owned windows computers, and like i said, i was actually going to buy an XPS. However, as time went by after the release, there have been a multitude of problems with it. I have read the xps forums quite a bit, as well as pretty much hundreds of amazon reviews. The reason i am switching to an Apple machine is simply the reliability.

Of course the XPS gets good reviews, they are looking at it typically right out of the box. The problem with it lies in things like the motherboard frying after 2 months, which seems to be very, very common. This is what i meant by "it looks good only on paper". Yes, the specs are high, and alluring, but reliability is very questionable. Go look on the amazon reviews if you care to, and then the xps forum (make sure you are looking at the 2015 model, which has a blue background on the display). It has more 1 star reviews than 5 star reviews, which i pretty much sorted through one by one to determine if they were fake or not, as amazons review system had gone down the drain (i judged the reviews as being legitmate in this case). You can set the reviews so you can read them by the most recently submitted, and i implore you to.

I backpack foreign countries quite a bit (my unsername is guate, after Guatemala, where i just spent a few months traveling) and was excited about the prospect of having a 15 inch laptop in a 14 inch frame since i need something as portable as possible for my foreign vacations. Also, i love touchscreens (i know most MBP fans care less about tochscreens, seemingly, but to me, the lack of one was almost a dealbreaker in switching to a Mac).

Once again: the problem with it is long term reliability (or even medium term in the case of this). Most reviews do the typical "i have had it for a week and i love it blah blah" which obviously has no experience with it long term. But don't take my word for it, do a little research yourself. The abundance of XPS horror stories was enough to dissuade me from going near the thing. If i am being charged with telling people what's up with their new $1500 laptop before it gets out of the refund date, i am guilty, and,
I'm sorry i'm not sorry.
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Lol man. I think you're talking about the reviews for the older model XPS 15(no thin bezels) which is kinda stupid and misleading. Point me to reviews of the current redesigned xps 15 with motherboard failures because I can't find any.
 
It's time to buy my first (Skylake :) ) MBP.

I will use it for iOS app development (not games or heavy graphics) and some (light) SQL Server BI use. That means I'll need OS X and Windows on MBP.

I would like to hear your experience / opinion - dual boot or Parallels?
Also, what MBP would you buy for iOS app development and SQL Server?
Is MBP 13" and 8 GB enough for everyday work?

Thanks!
 
tommyvu95 said:
So i kinda curious when the new Macbook Pro 13 inch out. I have searched for Macbook laptops for like few months ago and I decided to get the Macbook Pro 13 inch. But since I see the Macbook Pro 13 inch caution says that Dont buy I want to know that anybody here know when the Newer version come out? Should I wait for it or buy it permanently because I need a new one since my HP laptop have problems with screen. I need the Skylake intergrated GPU for more gaming performance .
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If you need Skylake, then you have to wait, because there is no Skylake Macbook (Pro/Air) yet.
 
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Sugarbear33 said:
Lol man. I think you're talking about the reviews for the older model XPS 15(no thin bezels) which is kinda stupid and misleading. Point me to reviews of the current redesigned xps 15 with motherboard failures because I can't find any.
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I specify that it is the 2015 xps, the skylake one with the infinity display. Many of the reviews confirm that they are having problems with their 2015 xps, but some do not specify the year of their model in their reviews so i guess those ones could ~possibly~ be considered inaccurate as they might have been filed under the wrong year model.

The 2015 model on amazon has more 1 star reviews than 5 star. You can confirm that is is the 2015 model simply because it is the only picture with the windows ten on the laptops display. Like i said, maybe some people reviewed the wrong year laptop, but i am not going to debate for or against that prospect. I have (albeit less extensively) scanned the xps forums, and came to similar conclusions. I understand and practice technical differentiation.

I want nothing more than someone to buy a good laptop and have a good experience. If you have any conflicting information, and or knowledge i do not, i would love to see it. However, like i have urged multiple times now, go take a look on amazon. Find the XPS with the windows ten background and read away. Then check out the XPS forum. Lastly, go to Dell's facebook page. I have never seen so many people writing negative things on any companies wall before (at least when i looked a month ago). Were there multiple sets of the skylake 2015 xps or something (Not years)? If i a missing something, i genuinely would like to know. If i am wrong, i will have no problem admitting so.
 
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Guate7 said:
I specify that it is the 2015 xps, the skylake one with the infinity display. Many of the reviews confirm that they are having problems with their 2015 xps, but some do not specify the year of their model in their reviews so i guess those ones could ~possibly~ be considered inaccurate as they might have been filed under the wrong year model.

The 2015 model on amazon has more 1 star reviews than 5 star. You can confirm that is is the 2015 model simply because it is the only picture with the windows ten on the laptops display. Like i said, maybe some people reviewed the wrong year laptop, but i am not going to debate for or against that prospect. I have (albeit less extensively) scanned the xps forums, and came to similar conclusions. I understand and practice technical differentiation.

I want nothing more than someone to buy a good laptop and have a good experience. If you have any conflicting information, and or knowledge i do not, i would love to see it. However, like i have urged multiple times now, go take a look on amazon. Find the XPS with the windows ten background and read away. Then check out the XPS forum. Lastly, go to Dell's facebook page. I have never seen so many people writing negative things on any companies wall before (at least when i looked a month ago). Were there multiple sets of the skylake 2015 xps or something (Not years)? If i a missing something, i genuinely would like to know. If i am wrong, i will have no problem admitting so.
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Amazon ratings should never be used as a guide to quality. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Amazon UK buyer ratings have the XPS 15 at 4 & 5 stars for the two models available on the UK store. Again, that doesn't mean anything either.
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volcomvenom said:
No offense to all the Dell or PC fans out there but I am really happy that the Dell XPS is messing up and getting bad ratings, because that just makes me want it way less. It makes me more patient for the Skylake rMBP 2016.
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http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Dell-XPS-15-Late-2015-Infinity.htm



Lisa's reviews are always 100% unbiased. If anyone is considering an XPS then check those reviews out and especially the XPS 15 vs 15" MBP video comparison:

 
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xdragon said:
It's time to buy my first (Skylake :) ) MBP.

I will use it for iOS app development (not games or heavy graphics) and some (light) SQL Server BI use. That means I'll need OS X and Windows on MBP.

I would like to hear your experience / opinion - dual boot or Parallels?
Also, what MBP would you buy for iOS app development and SQL Server?
Is MBP 13" and 8 GB enough for everyday work?

Thanks!
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I'd also be very interested to hear people's opinions on this question as I'm in a similar position.

I was thinking 13"/16gb ram/256. Gb

Running very similar programs but I'll probably be running visual studio as well.

Also does anyone here have a msdn license? What stuff do they do for the Mac other than office? And is any of it any good on the Mac?

Thanks
 
Steve121178 said:
Amazon ratings should never be used as a guide to quality. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Amazon UK buyer ratings have the XPS 15 at 4 & 5 stars for the two models available on the UK store. Again, that doesn't mean anything either.
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Not even slightly? Well, we can simply agree to disagree. My only point was that i take actual consumers experiences a bit more into consideration than some big reviewer who reviews a new laptop every week in right-out-of-the-box condition.

I simply can not ignore the MAJORITY of people on amazon with the skylake XPS complaining because their motherboards stopped working after 3 months, or other horrible problems. I really not not see how that is ridiculous.

But yes, i have read the XPS forums as well.

Also, i just checked the UK amazon, the 2015 xps i see only has 15 reviews, vs 82 on the US one. The law of averages, i must say.

Regardless, you can continue to disagree with me, i personally do not care, i was just expressing how there are many pissed off xps owners, and how their words are better than one of the big tech reviews (to me). I just wanted to inform the original poster of all the negativity surrounding the XPS. Maybe all the compaints are warranted, or maybe they are not, but that is not my point, my point is just that they exist. No need to debate over it.

On paper, i prefer the XPS. I have never owned a mac, so i don't mind, and actually prefer windows. I also like that it has a touchscreen.
 
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ApplePu said:
Same here, when no new Macs are announced in March, I'll go either with Surface 4 or XPS 13!
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So puzzled. I don't want to switch to Windows, but even if I did, it would be a nightmare since I'd lose access to all my Keynote presentations.
Dcfc1884 said:
I'd also be very interested to hear people's opinions on this question as I'm in a similar position.

I was thinking 13"/16gb ram/256. Gb

Running very similar programs but I'll probably be running visual studio as well.

Also does anyone here have a msdn license? What stuff do they do for the Mac other than office? And is any of it any good on the Mac?

Thanks
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I have both parallels and bootcamp installed on my 2012 15" rMBP. I very, very rarely boot to Windows. I do Visual Studio development (when I must) using parallels, and it works great. The only thing I find doesn't work well using parallels is games, but that should be obvious.

Re your other question: MSDN does not include Office! It is for things like Windows itself, VS, SQL Server and the like.
 
At this point I see a very small chance of it coming out in march. Isnt the event like 2 weeks from now? Not a single leak or hint of a macbook pro update. Anyways, June isnt that far away and I can probably save up more and get a higher spec mbp :)
 
I can't wait until June, I need a new computer / laptop before April =(

Maybe I should buy the mac mini i5 2.6ghz + 16gb + SSD. It's like a rMBP 13 mid 2014, but cheaper.

What do you think guys? Will it do the job for autocad planing and light 3D working - rendering?
 
AirdanMR said:
I can't wait until June, I need a new computer / laptop before April =(

Maybe I should buy the mac mini i5 2.6ghz + 16gb + SSD. It's like a rMBP 13 mid 2014, but cheaper.

What do you think guys? Will it do the job for autocad planing and light 3D working - rendering?
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I think it will do the job but I would also wait 3 weeks. The more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense to not update their lineup. It's been too long. Tax return season is a great time to introduce shiny new Apple products.
 
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Guate7 said:
I specify that it is the 2015 xps, the skylake one with the infinity display. Many of the reviews confirm that they are having problems with their 2015 xps, but some do not specify the year of their model in their reviews so i guess those ones could ~possibly~ be considered inaccurate as they might have been filed under the wrong year model.

The 2015 model on amazon has more 1 star reviews than 5 star. You can confirm that is is the 2015 model simply because it is the only picture with the windows ten on the laptops display. Like i said, maybe some people reviewed the wrong year laptop, but i am not going to debate for or against that prospect. I have (albeit less extensively) scanned the xps forums, and came to similar conclusions. I understand and practice technical differentiation.

I want nothing more than someone to buy a good laptop and have a good experience. If you have any conflicting information, and or knowledge i do not, i would love to see it. However, like i have urged multiple times now, go take a look on amazon. Find the XPS with the windows ten background and read away. Then check out the XPS forum. Lastly, go to Dell's facebook page. I have never seen so many people writing negative things on any companies wall before (at least when i looked a month ago). Were there multiple sets of the skylake 2015 xps or something (Not years)? If i a missing something, i genuinely would like to know. If i am wrong, i will have no problem admitting so.
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If we used the "how many defects does it have" as a criterion then everyone would need to stop buying Macbook Pros. I have a 2010 15" model, and at first I had a defective logic board (discrete GPU crashed after a few minutes of usage, Apple recognized the issue and issued free replacements. You can google it, it plagued A LOT of 2010 15" and 17" MBPs). Then every year I saw that a lot of MBP users had issues with the discrete GPU, and the first retina MBP was particularly bad defects-wise.
Oh, and other than the GPU fail I also had the MagSafe break 3 times (the plastic on the wire starts to become weirdly "stiff", eventually have cuts and slowly break, and I use my computer like everyone else does), and the DVD drive stopped working last year (it just ejects the inserted discs, can't read them anymore). Now I'm just waiting to see what Apple does and I'll decide for a MBP or the XPS. Sadly I really like OSX, if I didn't I would have already bought the XPS.
 
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Steve121178 said:
You should delete this garbage post. Any machine is prone to issues so quit the scare tactics.

The XPS 13 & 15 have got great reviews from all the trusted & reliable sources.
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No reason to call it a garbage post. That's just rude and ignorant. I suggest you go to Dell.com and browse some of the user-reviews from buyers of the Dell XPS 13" and 15". Here's an example:

”As a long time Dell user I had high expectations for this laptop and was severely disappointed. It operated fine for the first 2.5 weeks, but then it would freeze unexpectedly and the trackpad would arbitrarily stop working. After a month of use it crashed twice and wouldn't start at all. After sending it to Tech Support to wipe my hard drive it worked for another week until the next time I used it and it wouldn't turn on at all. […] The XPS has none of the reliability and stability that I expect from Dell. Invest your time and money elsewhere - don't buy this product.”

There were MANY, MANY, similar reviews.

Please do note, this refers to information I found for the 13"-model, so it doesn't necessarily apply to the poster, but it does apply to your statement above. I should point out that the reason I found the reviews in the first place (at Dell.com) was that I consider the Dell XPS 13" a seriously compelling option. I find it amazing with regards to its design and small footprint. I think Apple should implement many of those features, however the 13" XPS-model does not seem to live up to the specs on paper though.

I do not know whether the 15"-model suffers the same issues, I hope it does not. I hope it will turn out to be a great computer for the poster above.
 
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Aurora Wright said:
If we used the "how many defects does it have" as a criterion then everyone would need to stop buying Macbook Pros. I have a 2010 15" model, and at first I had a defective logic board (discrete GPU crashed after a few minutes of usage, Apple recognized the issue and issued free replacements. You can google it, it plagued A LOT of 2010 15" and 17" MBPs). Then every year I saw that a lot of MBP users had issues with the discrete GPU, and the first retina MBP was particularly bad defects-wise.
Oh, and other than the GPU fail I also had the MagSafe break 3 times (the plastic on the wire starts to become weirdly "stiff", eventually have cuts and slowly break, and I use my computer like everyone else does), and the DVD drive stopped working last year (it just ejects the inserted discs, can't read them anymore). Now I'm just waiting to see what Apple does and I'll decide for a MBP or the XPS. Sadly I really like OSX, if I didn't I would have already bought the XPS.
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Well, that's part of it. Apparently dealing with Dell's customer service these days is horrible. This is well, well reflected in the anecdotal evidence i have come across. Go online and read yourself, don't take my word for it.

And i disagree, i think a big part of it is to what proportion a line of computers has problems. I understand that all lines/brands of laptops have technical issues, but would you buy a laptop when the majority of that line are plagued with problems, or just a few?
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Aurora Wright said:
If we used the "how many defects does it have" as a criterion then everyone would need to stop buying Macbook Pros. I have a 2010 15" model, and at first I had a defective logic board (discrete GPU crashed after a few minutes of usage, Apple recognized the issue and issued free replacements. You can google it, it plagued A LOT of 2010 15" and 17" MBPs). Then every year I saw that a lot of MBP users had issues with the discrete GPU, and the first retina MBP was particularly bad defects-wise.
Oh, and other than the GPU fail I also had the MagSafe break 3 times (the plastic on the wire starts to become weirdly "stiff", eventually have cuts and slowly break, and I use my computer like everyone else does), and the DVD drive stopped working last year (it just ejects the inserted discs, can't read them anymore). Now I'm just waiting to see what Apple does and I'll decide for a MBP or the XPS. Sadly I really like OSX, if I didn't I would have already bought the XPS.
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Yes, exactly. I am being painted as an XPS hater when in reality that was my first contender. I was excited about its advent. However, it is precisely the influx of negativity and complaints around it that have pushed me towards getting a Mac. I am merely conveying the experiences of many, many others.
 
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dk808 said:
At this point I see a very small chance of it coming out in march. Isnt the event like 2 weeks from now? Not a single leak or hint of a macbook pro update. Anyways, June isnt that far away and I can probably save up more and get a higher spec mbp :)
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We haven't received a leak about the :apple:watch bands, but they're expected. No news isn't bad news, just no solid leaks to report on. The only reason June comes up is bc most people expect that to be the absolute latest date to refresh. With the skylake iMacs we only knew they were coming due to the production of the Retina display.

In the coming weeks I would take any computer line launching with iris pro 580 as a major indicator Apple will do the same. #stayingpostive o_O
 
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No reason to call it a garbage post. That's just rude and ignorant. I suggest you go to Dell.com and browse some of the user-reviews from buyers of the Dell XPS 13" and 15". Here's an example:

”As a long time Dell user I had high expectations for this laptop and was severely disappointed. It operated fine for the first 2.5 weeks, but then it would freeze unexpectedly and the trackpad would arbitrarily stop working. After a month of use it crashed twice and wouldn't start at all. After sending it to Tech Support to wipe my hard drive it worked for another week until the next time I used it and it wouldn't turn on at all. […] The XPS has none of the reliability and stability that I expect from Dell. Invest your time and money elsewhere - don't buy this product.”

There were MANY, MANY, similar reviews.

Please do note, this refers to information I found for the 13"-model, so it doesn't necessarily apply to the poster, but it does apply to your statement above. I should point out that the reason I found the reviews in the first place (at Dell.com) was that I consider the Dell XPS 13" a seriously compelling option. I find it amazing with regards to its design and small footprint. I think Apple should implement many of those features, however the 13" XPS-model does not seem to live up to the specs on paper though.

I do not know whether the 15"-model suffers the same issues, I hope it does not. I hope it will turn out to be a great computer for the poster above.
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If you suggest doing the same to a PC user here or in Apple forums, wouldn't he or she find similar things?

Keyboard getting printed on the screen due to bad layer covers, chargers that break like paper, throttling issues, apple costumer care bs as refusing to repair a laptop because the owner was a smoker, users experience lag in retina screens, etc...
 
Typical for GPU without proper drivers ;).

Still it is pretty good to see iGPU getting similar results to dGPU ;).
 
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Adam620 said:
....#stayingpostive o_O
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Invites out, i'm reading between the lines, i think we're in luck!
(j/k, putting positive thoughts out there, visualising, hahaha #stayingpostive)

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