Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[AirdanMR]

THANK YOU.
Apple isn't a company of wizards. They can't just conjure up performance gains for Intel's silicon.

Well... I guess you missed the point of my coment. If they kept using the <same old architecture> from 2013 to 2015 then of course they can't conjure anything! It's not Intel fault that Apple decided to not use the i7-5750HQ on 2015 model.

So the "it's been a year since the last update" its not like that. It's been 3 years using the same hardware.


Anyway... for those of you looking for alternatives. Razer Blade is just updated: i7-6700HQ 16GB DDR4 GTX 970m with 6GB of VRAM, 3200x1800 IZGO, USB-C, touch screen, new keyboard, etc...

 

[grkazan11]

Where's that dude who had info for today? I think a Chinese forum had info about the rMBPs today.

 

[knassar]

Paging @Yulen Darlington

 

[AYNOM]

Not really... the real number here is 875 days since 23 October 2013

2013 => i7-4750HQ and Iris 5100
2015 => i7-4770HQ and Iris 5200

If you think it has been a real performance improvement going from 4750 to 4770 or from 5100 to 5200 I'm sorry to dissapoint you.

That's the real thing here. And it's really sad for a company like Apple.

implying they didn't add force touch or faster ssd's to any updates after 2013... lol. I know it's hard to believe that there is more to a laptop than the processor.

 

[cmChimera]

Well... I guess you missed the point of my coment. If they kept using the <same old architecture> from 2013 to 2015 then of course they can't conjure anything! It's not Intel fault that Apple decided to not use the i7-5750HQ on 2015 model.

You say that as if you wouldn't still be complaining right now if they had put in Broadwell. You're waiting for Skylake, judging by the title of this thread. Either way, your statement is incorrect, as they did update the CPU, just not to Broadwell.

So the "it's been a year since the last update" its not like that. It's been 3 years using the same hardware.

This is patently false. As AYNOM stated, they've added new hardware. They simply didn't use Broadwell. There have been serious performance gains from 2013 to 2015. You just don't appreciate them.

implying they didn't add force touch or faster ssd's to any updates after 2013... lol. I know it's hard to believe that there is more to a laptop than the processor.

THANK YOU.

 

[fuchsdh]

To be honest, and I think that's the point of many here, I don't have a problem with SLOW update cycles at all. I'm all for longevity of products and I oppose the turbo-consumerism propagated by basically all (including Apple) tech giants out there, BUT the real problem is not buying a computer that basically has 2 year old hardware but the problem is buying that computer for premium price. If Apple would gradually lower the price they ask for their hardware the closer you get to a new generation of hardware, this wouldn't be a problem at all. Heck I still think it's a good deal to buy a current MBP a week or so after new ones have been announced and prices plummet.

Also, asking that much for hard drive and ram upgrades while intentionally removing user upgradeability is a bit tough on our wallets.

Again, iPhones are the same price until they're replaced by new hardware. Historically, Apple almost never drops prices mid-cycle.

 

[AirdanMR]

@cmChimera, if they had put Broadwell in the last 2015 update (like every other manufacturer in the planet did at that moment) instead of keeping the old 2013 Haswell ... I would have bought it then, and today I would be using a 10 moths old rMBP15 instead of being here waiting for something worth my money (Skylake). A 2013 haswell it is not worth it. It wasn't the last year... so this year is even less worth it.

It's my english so bad you that you can't understand that? or are you the one that's not able to understand my point.

implying they didn't add force touch or faster ssd's to any updates after 2013... lol. I know it's hard to believe that there is more to a laptop than the processor.

I know it's hard to believe for non professional users, but force touch and "faster ssd" isn't going to make you more productive, in deed it's not going to give you any difference rather than a "click" feeling if you "upgrade". What a joke, this is the reason Apple doesn't event care for computers any more, they could sold smoke and costumers like you will be happy and paying for it.

Look how big the upgrade is from 2013 to 2015, even in geekbench which is "basic user" benchmark there is no difference.

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5658908

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5657873

But hey, 2500$ for a force touch? :shut up and take my money:

 

[Yulen Darlington]

Paging @Yulen Darlington

Nothing happened tonight.
Good night guys.

 

[Zynq]

I think I will put all my money in saying that both the Macbook Pro and Macbook will be updated on March 21st. I've done some calculations based on how long it takes for a new processor release to make it into the hardware, and also how long it's been since the notebooks themselves are updated. Both calculations end up on a March date so I'd say expecting a new Skylake release can safely be expected for March 21st. The only question remains whether the Macbook Pro will be a redesign or just a spec-up. I'm 100% confident of the Macbook Pro release. The Macbook however may see a release in early April if not on March 21st. Either way, I cannot wait to purchase my FIRST ever Apple computer! Picking up the Skylake '13 Macbook Pro! (And just like most of you I have been waiting way too long, since August of last year...)

 

[bfid111]

I think I will put all my money in saying that both the Macbook Pro and Macbook will be updated on March 21st. I've done some calculations based on how long it takes for a new processor release to make it into the hardware, and also how long it's been since the notebooks themselves are updated. Both calculations end up on a March date so I'd say expecting a new Skylake release can safely be expected for March 21st. The only question remains whether the Macbook Pro will be a redesign or just a spec-up. I'm 100% confident of the Macbook Pro release. The Macbook however may see a release in early April if not on March 21st. Either way, I cannot wait to purchase my FIRST ever Apple computer! Picking up the Skylake '13 Macbook Pro! (And just like most of you I have been waiting way too long, since August of last year...)

I don't care if it is just a spec-bump. The current design beats every other laptops in its similar class. Skylake seems very promising and I really do hope it comes out next week

 

[cmChimera]

@cmChimera, if they had put Broadwell in the last 2015 update (like every other manufacturer in the planet did at that moment) instead of keeping the old 2013 Haswell ... I would have bought it then, and today I would be using a 10 moths old rMBP15 instead of being here waiting for something worth my money (Skylake). A 2013 haswell it is not worth it. It wasn't the last year... so this year is even less worth it.

Oh my mistake. You're just looking really hard for that 10% performance boost.

I know it's hard to believe for non professional users

Oh god, here we go.

but force touch and "faster ssd" isn't going to make you more productive,

Oh but 10% buff to the CPU will. Please do tell. An SSD that is 4 times the speed of the 2012 rMBP is definitely going to be far more noticeable than slight CPU upgrades, but whatever floats your boat. You're a professional so would know more.

 

[WRONG]

Not really... the real number here is 875 days since 23 October 2013

2013 => i7-4750HQ and Iris 5100
2015 => i7-4770HQ and Iris 5200

If you think it has been a real performance improvement going from 4750 to 4770 or from 5100 to 5200 I'm sorry to dissapoint you.

That's the real thing here. And it's really sad for a company like Apple.

Thank you very much.
That's exactly the most misleading thing.
MBP has 301 days since release, but the real number is even worst.
And that's the main point.
Paying 2900€ for 875 days old CPU.
With a dGPU which is just an horrible rebrand.
Just nope.

Speaking of s*itposting
Believe me, the moment we'll get just a tiny spark of certain information, I'll be the first that will start discussing them and won't post memes anymore. The problem is that right now we have the same informations as 8 months ago: that MBPs will be upgraded to Skylake.
I've spent God knows how many hours searching news, reading wccftech, believing in the news about Polaris on GDC, hoping for something ....aaaand nothing.
After eight months of emptiness, of continuously repeating "Don't trust and don't read Latino's Health, Enjybada, Hecumenical Crap, Herald S*it...." and "We know nothing about the future of Skylake MBP", I feel tired.

Right now, there are just few things we can do. Having fun while we wait this damn computer, and then wait again for the next week. Nothing else.
BTW thank you @Yulen Darlington for representing us in feng forum, and for giving us at least some kind of rumors

 

[ConnorMcJeebus]

Oh my mistake. You're just looking really hard for that 10% performance boost.

Oh god, here we go.

Oh but 10% buff to the CPU will. Please do tell. An SSD that is 4 times the speed of the 2012 rMBP is definitely going to be far more noticeable than slight CPU upgrades, but whatever floats your boat. You're a professional so would know more.

Are you saying the performance gain from comparable Haswell and Skylake chips is only 10%? I'm having a hard time understanding why you think selling computer's with Haswell processors (released in 2013) for $2,000 USD is acceptable in 2016. Is it because Force Touch makes it worth it?

Please explain why you're defending Apple on this one. The only acceptable answer in my eyes would be "my name is Tim Cook."

 

[Patrick-Photo]

Nothing happened tonight.
Good night guys.

Something did happen... But not in the Apple/Intel-camp. Razer just released their new Razer-Blade info here. This has a 6700HQ and 970m in a 14" package. Aside from the bright green logo it's a good looking machine .

 

[Arthur75]

I think I will put all my money in saying that both the Macbook Pro and Macbook will be updated on March 21st. I've done some calculations based on how long it takes for a new processor release to make it into the hardware, and also how long it's been since the notebooks themselves are updated. Both calculations end up on a March date so I'd say expecting a new Skylake release can safely be expected for March 21st. The only question remains whether the Macbook Pro will be a redesign or just a spec-up. I'm 100% confident of the Macbook Pro release. The Macbook however may see a release in early April if not on March 21st. Either way, I cannot wait to purchase my FIRST ever Apple computer! Picking up the Skylake '13 Macbook Pro! (And just like most of you I have been waiting way too long, since August of last year...)

Nice of you to prop up the hope !
But I must say that after 9to5 post I'm not that confident at all ..
What other serious info has there been ?

 

[killawat]

Right now, there are just few things we can do. Having fun while we wait this damn computer, and then wait again for the next week. Nothing else.
BTW thank you @Yulen Darlington for representing us in feng forum, and for giving us at least some kind of rumors

Heres the good thing though.

It'll happen. IT MIGHT BE 2017 but it'll happen eventually. I've invested so much of my time waiting for this and informing everyone, I cannot even. I've been accessorizing for a theoretical computer that may not even exist. I have a USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 enclosure with Samsung SSD, that would reach max r550/w450 easily ....if it weren't connected to a pokey USB 2.0 port on my newly obsoleted Macbook Pro (becoz expresscard is to flakey)...
But I refuse to give up! This thread keeps the fire going.

Eternally waiting for Skylake.
[doublepost=1458065120][/doublepost]Let the tears flow:

UNCONFIRMED: Razer Core will be $500, shipping in april. $400 if bought with a Razer machine (which, if true, is fair).

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-razer-shipping-500-graphics-add-on-in-april/

Was hoping for $300 but eh. Atleast I can change the color to match the Macbook (if it works, atleast).

 

[blanu]

Something did happen... But not in the Apple/Intel-camp. Razer just released their new Razer-Blade info here. This has a 6700HQ and 970m in a 14" package. Aside from the bright green logo it's a good looking machine .

Nice machine! But I wonder its battery life... Can it hold on for 5h or more ?

 

[cmChimera]

Are you saying the performance gain from comparable Haswell and Skylake chips is only 10%?

I'm saying the performance between Broadwell and Haswell is minimal. When Macbook Pro's come out and they run tests with the new models and the old, we can revisit whether or not Skylake is a bigger jump from Broadwell than Broadwell was from Haswell.

I'm having a hard time understanding why you think selling computer's with Haswell processors (released in 2013) for $2,000 USD is acceptable in 2016.

Because a laptop consists of more than just a CPU

Is it because Force Touch makes it worth it?

Are you claiming that the only change was force touch, even though we've already said that SSDs have had had steady and large performance gains year after year?

From Ars Technica

The MacBook Pro is around 20 percent faster than the MacBook Air in CPU tests, though as with the Air, the year-over-year performance improvement is negligible—it's no substitute for a quad-core chip, but it's better than most other laptops in this size and price class.

Year-over-year performance gains with processors is rarely earth-shattering. There are other things Apple can update, and they do. But they can't make Intel be faster unfortunately. But acting like Apple needs to start selling Macbook Pros at Acer prices because they didn't update to Broadwell is pretty absurd.
[doublepost=1458066021][/doublepost]

UNCONFIRMED: Razer Core will be $500, shipping in april. $400 if bought with a Razer machine (which, if true, is fair).

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-razer-shipping-500-graphics-add-on-in-april/

Was hoping for $300 but eh. Atleast I can change the color to match the Macbook (if it works, atleast).

$500 WITHOUT a GPU.

 

[Zynq]

Nice of you to prop up the hope !
But I must say that after 9to5 post I'm not that confident at all ..
What other serious info has there been ?

None, other than what we already know. Apple has done a good job at keeping things quiet with their Macbooks. That leaves us to speculate all we want. And what we know is the next MBP will be Skylake, and that it is due for release right now. I say that based on my forecast... The Broadwell processor was released September 5, 2014 and took 185 days to find it's way into the Broadwell MBP released last year on March 9th, 2015. If you add 185 days to the Skylake processor release on September 1, 2015, then we have ourselves a Skylake Macbook Pro release in March .

I'd rather go with past trends and forecasts rather than the rumor mill, which I believe, are basing their predictions based on the same information.

 

[ConnorMcJeebus]

I'm saying the performance between Broadwell and Haswell is minimal. When Macbook Pro's come out and they run tests with the new models and the old, we can revisit whether or not Skylake is a bigger jump from Broadwell than Broadwell was from Haswell. Because a laptop consists of more than just a CPU Are you claiming that the only change was force touch, even though we've already said that SSDs have had had steady and large performance gains year after year?

From Ars Technica

Year-over-year performance gains with processors is rarely earth-shattering. There are other things Apple can update, and they do. But they can't make Intel be faster unfortunately. But acting like Apple needs to start selling Macbook Pros at Acer prices because they didn't update to Broadwell is pretty absurd.
[doublepost=1458066021][/doublepost] $500 WITHOUT a GPU.

Agreed that a laptop is more than CPU, and that performance is also more than just the CPU. The Skylake architecture offers improvements (e.g. allows for DDR4) that will make the performance gain between Skylake and Haswell more than "minimal". And that is what we're comparing: current tech (Skylake) to 2013 tech (Haswell). Why aren't we comparing Skylake to Broadwell? Because Apple is still using Haswell in its 15" MBPs. That's the jump that we'll be comparing because that's the jump that will be taking place.

No matter how much you update the other parts of the computer (e.g. faster SSDs), the motherboard and chipsets will limit your potential performance. Otherwise, Apple would probably still be using Pentiums, no?

And no one is expecting Apple to sell at Acer prices; but, do you honestly think that the 15" MBPs are currently a good value? Would you buy one without a discount knowing that Skylake MBPs will be out relatively soon?

 

[AirdanMR]

Oh my mistake. You're just looking really hard for that 10% performance boost.

Oh god, here we go.

Oh but 10% buff to the CPU will. Please do tell. An SSD that is 4 times the speed of the 2012 rMBP is definitely going to be far more noticeable than slight CPU upgrades, but whatever floats your boat. You're a professional so would know more.

The real storage upgrade is going from HDD to SSD, everything ese will be are minor upgrades. Once the rMBP has an SSD it doesn't really matter if it's 400mb/s or 800mb/s. The boost it's already done and the difference is going to be micro seconds. You can get x4 "faster" less friction tires for your car. But as long a you don't use the old wood ones you are not going to notice it.

Now... what 10% CPU? That's not true, stop lying to deffend Apple. Shame on you xD But let's suppose it's true (which is not) 10% more power means you end things like renders, photo or video editing automations 10% faster which means more time to work on other things, which means more money at the end of the month. Since it seems that you only use your rMBP to flame others coments on the internet without having knowledge about hardware... I understand you not understanding this.

And who say the only thing that change is the CPU? You and only you. A new intel architecture always means faster RAM, lower voltages, more secure instructions, better thermals, better power consuption aka more battery and that's only for Broadwell! What about skylake apart from the iGPU big boost?

DDR4 & TB3 (BOOM) This two fellas are the real :shut up and take my money: not the dumb force touch and "x4 SSD" upgrade Apple want us to pay for on 2015.

I'm done with this offtopic, we are annoying the rest of the users with this nonsense... ignored from now on. And my apolgies to the rest of the users.

Peace.

 

[OSX7]

To all the "But,but, KABY LAKE!" posters, according to a new rumor, Kaby Lake H will only be available in a 4+2 configurations (Only Kaby Lake S/Skylake C , only for desktops, will have a 4+4e config). Know what that means? Wait for it... 2 or perhaps 3 years with Skylake on the rMBP 15 until Cannonlake H 4+4e arrives 2018. All of you can cry now. Deja Vu...

 

[cerberusss]

The 1.8 GHz Intel Core i7 has definitely helped it survive for so long, it has however started to severely struggle.

I've mentioned it in another topic, but after five years you might want to bring it to a repair guy and let them clean the innards plus replace the thermal paste of the machine. I bet it'll help with the heat issue.

 

[bfid111]

The real storage upgrade is going from HDD to SSD, everything ese will be are minor upgrades. Once the rMBP has an SSD it doesn't really matter if it's 400mb/s or 800mb/s. The boost it's already done and the difference is going to be micro seconds. You can get x4 "faster" less friction tires for your car. But as long a you don't use the old wood ones you are not going to notice it.

Now... what 10% CPU? That's not true, stop lying to deffend Apple. Shame on you xD But let's suppose it's true (which is not) 10% more power means you end things like renders, photo or video editing automations 10% faster which means more time to work on other things, which means more money at the end of the month. Since it seems that you only use your rMBP to flame others coments on the internet without having knowledge about hardware... I understand you not understanding this.

And who say the only thing that change is the CPU? You and only you. A new intel architecture always means faster RAM, lower voltages, more secure instructions, better thermals, better power consuption aka more battery and that's only for Broadwell! What about skylake apart from the iGPU big boost?

DDR4 & TB3 (BOOM) This two fellas are the real :shut up and take my money: not the dumb force touch and "x4 SSD" upgrade Apple want us to pay for on 2015.

I'm done with this offtopic, we are annoying the rest of the users with this nonsense... ignored from now on. And my apolgies to the rest of the users.

Peace.

Same, iGPU improvement is worth the wait and money. TB3/USB C insures that I won't have to worry about my future gadget ports

 

[killawat]

Intel Vulkan beta drivers posted yesterday.
Not sure what Vulkan is and don't really care, but the listing is different:
https://software.intel.com/en-us/bl...204404-graphics-driver-for-windows-78110-1540
This is the first time Intel has shown Iris Pro 580 and P580 (Xeon) igpu under supported hardware.