Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[cerberusss]

I've lost all sense of perspective.

You mean... You're so loopy that you've lost all sense of perspective?
*badum-tsss*
Thank you, thank you I'll be here all day. Please try the fish.
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I was even thinking about down/up (whatever)-grading my iPhone 6 to the iPhone 5SE

Do you think you can go back to a smaller screen? That's my major concern, that in the end I can't get used it, that I've been spoiled now.

Also, that last bit about the GF was pretty funny

 

[NJPT]

The Broadwell processor was released September 5, 2014 and took 185 days to find it's way into the Broadwell MBP released last year on March 9th, 2015. If you add 185 days to the Skylake processor release on September 1, 2015, then we have ourselves a Skylake Macbook Pro release in March .

I'd rather go with past trends and forecasts rather than the rumor mill, which I believe, are basing their predictions based on the same information.

It has no bearing when just any form of the Broadwell processor was released. The Broadwell chips released on September 5, 2014 were core M chips; these are only used in the MB. What may be relevant is when the chips appropriate for the MBP were released. In the case of the 13" MBP, the 28W Broadwell U class chips with Iris graphics were released in Q1 2015.

Apple historically does not wait on the order of 6 months to utilize new Intel chips. This has been discussed many times in this thread, but the usual lag time between appropriate new Intel chip availability and Apple implementing them in new laptops is closer to 1-3 months. The lack of Broadwell implementation in the 15" MBPs is a notable exception.

 

[t0mat0]

The real storage upgrade is going from HDD to SSD, everything ese will be are minor upgrades. Once the rMBP has an SSD it doesn't really matter if it's 400mb/s or 800mb/s. The boost it's already done and the difference is going to be micro seconds.

To play Devil's advocate - Original MBA vs 2015 Macs. Guess those microseconds add up still? Hehe.

Shifting GB/ TBs worth of files around,random access, copying files, backing up - improved SSD helps in minor to large ways for all users surely. Yearly minor upgrades add up hehe.

 

[cmChimera]

Agreed that a laptop is more than CPU, and that performance is also more than just the CPU. The Skylake architecture offers improvements (e.g. allows for DDR4) that will make the performance gain between Skylake and Haswell more than "minimal".

Oh I'm well aware Skylake architecture brings other improvements. I was specifically responding to:

It's not Intel fault that Apple decided to not use the i7-5750HQ on 2015 model.

and

if they had put Broadwell in the last 2015 update (like every other manufacturer in the planet did at that moment) instead of keeping the old 2013 Haswell ... I would have bought it then, and today I would be using a 10 moths old rMBP15 instead of being here waiting for something worth my money (Skylake).

The poster is claiming Apple hasn't touched the Macbook Pro line, or at least hasn't made any substantial updates to the Macbook Pro line since 2013. That's undeniably false. So I corrected him. I believe you and I actually agree more than you think.

Why aren't we comparing Skylake to Broadwell? Because Apple is still using Haswell in its 15" MBPs. That's the jump that we'll be comparing because that's the jump that will be taking place.

Well, we sort of are. Because the poster I was responding to said he would have bought Broadwell MBP if it existed.

And no one is expecting Apple to sell at Acer prices; but, do you honestly think that the 15" MBPs are currently a good value? Would you buy one without a discount knowing that Skylake MBPs will be out relatively soon?

I think they're a fine value. Not fantastic, but not bad either. I always BTO so I don't have a lot of opportunity to get a discount. That said, no I wouldn't buy one when Skylake and possible redesign is around the corner. I'm not in desperate need of a new laptop though, and I'm less interested in the CPU as I am the aspects of Thunderbolt 3, DDR4, SSD improvements etc. So I'm right with you on the idea of there being other advantages of Skylake. But again, I was specifically responding to complaints that Apple didn't use Broadwell, and that the Macbook Pro line has just been stagnant for three years.

The real storage upgrade is going from HDD to SSD, everything ese will be are minor upgrades. Once the rMBP has an SSD it doesn't really matter if it's 400mb/s or 800mb/s.

It's not 400 to 800 MB/s. It's 400 MB/s to 2 GB/s. That difference is massive. And to pass it off as minor, while bemoaning the lack of marginal CPU updates is hypocritical.

And who say the only thing that change is the CPU? You and only you. A new intel architecture always means faster RAM, lower voltages, more secure instructions, better thermals, better power consuption aka more battery and that's only for Broadwell! What about skylake apart from the iGPU big boost?

No one said the only change is CPU. But Broadwell didn't add much to Haswell. And you were claiming Apple hasn't updated in three years. While actually they've updated the line quite a bit, just not with new CPU architectures.

 

[volcomvenom]

Can't wait to upgrade my dying 2013 rMBP. I know it's not that old, but it needs to go.

 

[BenTrovato]

Can't wait to upgrade my dying 2013 rMBP. I know it's not that old, but it needs to go.

Mine is great! But I need 4k@60hz asap

 

[Pbrutto]

I realize we are waiting on pros....but....Best Buy has 300 off all rMB models, and none available in any store within 250 miles of me (this includes philly and nyc) so something is happening with a line of Mac computers soon

 

[Dydegu]

This thread has become one of the most unique online events that I've ever been a part of.

No matter what, most of the regular posters here have always been welcoming of new posters, and we've all been helpful when people have questions. It's a really great group of people, and I hope the support continues when some of us start to get new machines!

Joke and slightly off-topic posts bring more of a lighter social aspect, because there is literally nothing else to talk about regarding the subject of the thread. We'd rather make fun predictions and assumptions and have some fun while we wait, rather than do nothing.

This thread is also going to become a support network / protest headquarters / suicide prevention hotline if there aren't any new laptops next week

 

[BenTrovato]

This thread is also going to become a support network / protest headquarters / suicide prevention hotline if there aren't any new laptops next week

Here's to hoping this thread dies on Monday. Some of us move off to the "ordered 2016 MBP" thread, and some.. well I don't know where else there would be to go

 

[Ries]

It's not 400 to 800 MB/s. It's 400 MB/s to 2 GB/s. That difference is massive. And to pass it off as minor, while bemoaning the lack of marginal CPU updates is hypocritical.

While the difference is massive, it translates into something you won't notice that much. 400MB/s (the 2014 macbook pro has 800MB/s) loads all of the mail app from disk in 1/10 of a second. Doing it in 1/100 af a second won't make that much of a noticeable difference. Massive difference, minor impact. Unless you load a massive game, it does not have a lot of impact.

 

[intelligence]

$500 WITHOUT a GPU.

Well being first to the table you can price your stuff however you like.

 

[PTLove]

Macbook supplies do seem to be noticeably tightening up at Best Buy's are the country, which leads credence to the rumor from feng that the macbook would def see a update next Monday. Waiting to hear what that poster has to say about Pros.

 

[nicovh]

This thread has become one of the most unique online events that I've ever been a part of.

No matter what, most of the regular posters here have always been welcoming of new posters, and we've all been helpful when people have questions. It's a really great group of people, and I hope the support continues when some of us start to get new machines!

Joke and slightly off-topic posts bring more of a lighter social aspect, because there is literally nothing else to talk about regarding the subject of the thread. We'd rather make fun predictions and assumptions and have some fun while we wait, rather than do nothing.

This thread is also going to become a support network / protest headquarters / suicide prevention hotline if there aren't any new laptops next week

I've got a neat idea:
We should all take a picture of ourselves with the new rMBP's once we get em + list of specs our machines have.

Would be a nice way to say bye to the thread and everybody that has participated here. And perhaps down the road we will see eachother again in the cannon/kabylake thread

 

[AirdanMR]

To play Devil's advocate - Original MBA vs 2015 Macs. Guess those microseconds add up still? Hehe.

Shifting GB/ TBs worth of files around,random access, copying files, backing up - improved SSD helps in minor to large ways for all users surely. Yearly minor upgrades add up hehe.

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I like doing that too xD

But here is the real comparison between 2013 and 2015 "upgrade" =

Actually it's x2, not x4 like he said.

And with a start point of 600mb/s write and read speed I'm going to keep my "ms" difference. For start up, opening apps, documents, search, copy, paste etc... 600mb/s is like having a ferrari. Of course you could go x2 the ferrari power, but if you already have that power do you really care? There are things that are more important once you go SSD than "having a better SSD" (like i said)

For example updating the computer architecture lol

 

[cmChimera]

Actually it's x2, not x4 like he said.

I said from 2012.

Unlike previous Apple SSDs, the 2012 lineup sees a significant speed bump. Apple is now using 6Gbps SSD controllers from both Toshiba and Samsung, allowing it to claim support for up to 500MB/s sequential read speed.

And per Macrumors:

In benchmark testing conducted by French site MacGeneration [Google Translate], the entry-level 2.2GHz 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 256GB of storage lived up to Apple's claims, demonstrating impressive read/write speeds that topped out at 2GB/s and 1.25GB/s, respectively, in QuickBench 4.0.

 

[sim888]

Here's to hoping this thread dies on Monday....

Exactly....come Monday, let's hope the thread will be 'closed' and we'll all meet up again in the new support group Waiting For Kaby Lake thread!
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I've got a neat idea:
We should all take a picture of ourselves with the new rMBP's once we get em + list of specs our machines have.

Would be a nice way to say bye to the thread and everybody that has participated here. And perhaps down the road we will see eachother again in the cannon/kabylake thread

I want to see video's of us destroying our old Macs à la

 

[Pbrutto]

Macbook supplies do seem to be noticeably tightening up at Best Buy's are the country, which leads credence to the rumor from feng that the macbook would def see a update next Monday. Waiting to hear what that poster has to say about Pros.

Unfortunately I have no more info than you do....what I have is a bunch of cash to replace my 08' MacBook and the itch to get as much for the cash as possible so I am watching prices like a hawk. Pulled the trigger on a MacBook at that price knowing I will either keep it or get a new MacBook if it is updated before the return period of 30 days....still hoping for a redesigned pro, however my current computer can't wait till WWDC. It's next Monday or bust for me and my computer. The real question is will it feel fast enough compared to my 08' to justify the cost. (Mind you I already have and ssd and 8gig ram shoved into the old girl)

 

[urbanlegend179]

So guys... skylake is coming for the 13 inch rMBP in the next 1-2 months? What about a redesign? End of the year?

 

[Arthur75]

So guys... skylake is coming for the 13 inch rMBP in the next 1-2 months? What about a redesign? End of the year?

For me the new 13, whatever the time it comes out, will have some level of redesign at least for having only USB C ports

 

[andrewtm]

Does anyone else find it odd how Apple skipped their usual October event last year? Maybe they're swapping it for an April/May event this year

 

[kirky1234]

Awesome to see that thread getting to 300 pages soon
I remember lurking the same exact thread before the retina macbook pro came out in 2012. When it came out I bought a 15" model with a 2.3 ghz cpu. Now it's time to upgrade, since I often need more CPU than that. My 2012 macbook has a Benchmark of 11716. The 2.8 ghz haswell model (maxed out cpu) has a benchmark of 14671. Are there already any guesses on the benchmarks of the upcoming skylake cpu's? In percent, what bump in cpu can I expect when upgrading from my 2012 base model to the maxed out upcoming skylake model? 20%? 30%? Or even more?

Thanks for your help!

 

[pewkis]

The new Razor Blade looks f*cking amazing. I may just have to replace my 2012 MBP with it and stay up for a whole week straight in attempt to make it run OS X.

Seriously;
2.6GHz 6700HQ
16GB DDR4 2133MHz (Apple's 13in rMBP only uses 1866MHz DDR3)
6GB GDDR5 VRAM (2GB is fine, 4GB is a lot ...)
LIGHTER and THINNER than the 2015 15in rMBP (although it is a 14in laptop)

Apple, you better be scared...

 

[volcomvenom]

The new Razor Blade looks f*cking amazing. I may just have to replace my 2012 MBP with it and stay up for a whole week straight in attempt to make it run OS X.

Seriously;
2.6GHz 6700HQ
16GB DDR4 2133MHz (Apple's 13in rMBP only uses 1866MHz DDR3)
6GB GDDR5 VRAM (2GB is fine, 4GB is a lot ...)
LIGHTER and THINNER than the 2015 15in rMBP (although it is a 14in laptop)

Apple, you better be scared...

It's killer. If apple doesn't announce any new 13.3" rMBP's next week I'll buy one of the Razer Blade no doubt about it. I just wish it was available now.

 

[doitdada]

The new Razor Blade looks f*cking amazing.

It looks similar to the current MacBook chassis. It's probably compatible with VR. PC may have a comeback, may also win my money this spring. Currently writing this post in Windows 10.

 

[ENGINEjark]

It's killer.

The downside is they use Windows 10 (still better than windows 8). Also I had Razer Blade, but the battery life sucks and I understand due to powerful gpu. Lastly, to get things fixed or check up while under warranty is a hassle since they don't have any local stores like Apple.