I'm sorry, what? I'm asking if the shipping times would slip if the rMBP gets Skylake AND a redesign.
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Skylake is in the XPS and the Blade.....
I think this will be Apple's last professional "laptop". The 2016 unibody will be a very good design. Design continuity with the 2012 and 2008 models.
I see a future where portable development is done on iPad pro + keyboard/mouse. I think the keyboard and all the insides acting as a balance for propping up a screen happened more by accident than by design. A detachable screen with bluetooth keyboard/mouse and wireless connectivity to a high resolution monitor (as and when required) would offer far more flexibility to developers and professional users (a "laptop" is a portable device after all...)
Serious CPU-intensive work can be done on workstations and/or high performance compute clouds. Though I'm not sure how the Intel/ARM/iOS/MacOS crossover will happen.
I see a future where portable development is done on iPad pro + keyboard/mouse. I think the keyboard and all the insides acting as a balance for propping up a screen happened more by accident than by design. A detachable screen with bluetooth keyboard/mouse and wireless connectivity to a high resolution monitor (as and when required) would offer far more flexibility to developers and professional users (a "laptop" is a portable device after all...)
Serious CPU-intensive work can be done on workstations and/or high performance compute clouds. Though I'm not sure how the Intel/ARM/iOS/MacOS crossover will happen.
"We don't regard Macs and PCs to be the same"
"We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad...because what that would wind up doing, or what we're worried would happen, is that neither experience would be as good as the customer wants. So we want to make the best tablet in the world and the best Mac in the world. And putting those two together would not achieve either. You'd begin to compromise in different ways."
Would be a bit of a U turn from the above from Tim Cook.
How does a mouse work on iOS? Maybe a trackpad? (Ala iPhone 6s text cursor movement when 3D Touch activated)
"We feel strongly that customers are not really looking for a converged Mac and iPad...because what that would wind up doing, or what we're worried would happen, is that neither experience would be as good as the customer wants. So we want to make the best tablet in the world and the best Mac in the world. And putting those two together would not achieve either. You'd begin to compromise in different ways."
Would be a bit of a U turn from the above from Tim Cook.
How does a mouse work on iOS? Maybe a trackpad? (Ala iPhone 6s text cursor movement when 3D Touch activated)
Using an iPad for development has came a long way -- lots of great web-based IDEs that work well.
However, until I can run full Visual Studio, debug C# code, have filesystem access for version control, etc, then it's a non-starter for my development needs. Even if we only looked at Apple-only development, we have no version of Xcode for iPad or similar.
Will that eventually come? If tablets don't fizzle out, probably in time. The problem is, tablet sales are stagnant, and have been for awhile now. Is there enough of a pro developer market there to justify developing such tools? Unsure.
I'd like to see it, I do have an iPad Pro, and am a developer. I'd just not bet the farm on it any time in the next 5-10 years.
However, until I can run full Visual Studio, debug C# code, have filesystem access for version control, etc, then it's a non-starter for my development needs. Even if we only looked at Apple-only development, we have no version of Xcode for iPad or similar.
Will that eventually come? If tablets don't fizzle out, probably in time. The problem is, tablet sales are stagnant, and have been for awhile now. Is there enough of a pro developer market there to justify developing such tools? Unsure.
I'd like to see it, I do have an iPad Pro, and am a developer. I'd just not bet the farm on it any time in the next 5-10 years.
In no way I can see any meaningful development of any sort be done on an iPad. Maybe I'm just old. I see the professional use of tablets for sales rep people, showcasing your work to customers, etc... I see it (in my own life) as wonderful everyday companion to do research and learning on (video2brain for example), to watch movies and information and consume alternate news channels to circumvent "coloured" news reporting in my home country. It's a really really nice piece of hardware. I watch movies on it in bed with my girlfriend before falling asleep, hook it up to my Bose soundlink mini II, overall it gets really great use. I even use it with an apple keyboard to jot down quick notes for my writing efforts, I could even use it for blogging.
But I don't see it for my professional work, layouting complex books and brochures with plenty of images and tasks that have to be done within creative suite. Well well...
I really really hope the new MBPs don't go touchscreen, touchscreens are mostly a fad (for me), just "one more feature" that looks good on paper and moves hardware but has hardly any practical use, epecially not for "pro" or "power" users.
But I don't see it for my professional work, layouting complex books and brochures with plenty of images and tasks that have to be done within creative suite. Well well...
I really really hope the new MBPs don't go touchscreen, touchscreens are mostly a fad (for me), just "one more feature" that looks good on paper and moves hardware but has hardly any practical use, epecially not for "pro" or "power" users.
Not gonna happen. Macs are still giving Apple a lot of benefits, and Apple prefers to cover more market with more options, rather than reducing them. Just see how many Macs are there now, and how many iPhones (another new model is comming soon). So why ditch Macs to go only iPads, when these aren't doing any good? Imagine they erase the Mac line, but people refuses to switch to iPad as a main "computer", or sells just doesn't immensely grow on iPads, that would be catastrophic to Apple.
Add to that, that Cook said they would never merge iOS and OSX. Not like they said they would never make bigger iPhones, which is just another size, but more like they will never stop selling 2 different products (more benefits) that can complement each other, to sell just one (which is much cheaper than a Mac)
I think touchscreens in laptops it is a matter of time. Kids nowadays just tap every screen they see and wonder why it is not reacting in case of non-touchscreen ?! Lots of them don't know how to answer 10 years old phone when it's ringing (the office/home simple phone with buttons, cord and nothing else)
In 2016 we have touchscreens in fridges we can interact with them... which is not the case really
Personally i dont like laptop touchscreens either...
In 2016 we have touchscreens in fridges
we can interact with them... which is not the case really Personally i dont like laptop touchscreens either...
While I wouldn't be surprised to see this, I don't quite get the "CPU intensive work can be done on workstations" thought. I see the world moving in the opposite direction - professional workstations need to be mobile, high end work is done in coffee shops, trains, buses and hotel rooms. I don't have stats for this, but guessing that it has dramatically increased in the past ten years. We don't tend to see technology move backwards in that regard - computers tend to get faster, smaller and more mobile.
Again, I don't disagree though. I wouldn't be shocked if that is the future of personal computing, but in my opinion the MBPr was never really a computer for personal computing - spreadsheets, watching videos, word documents etc. I think that the iPad Pro/keyboard idea (or something like that) would be more of a replacement for the Macbook Air.
I think touchscreens in laptops it is a matter of time. Kids nowadays just tap every screen they see and wonder why it is not reacting in case of non-touchscreen ?! Lots of them don't know how to answer 10 years old phone when it's ringing (the office/home simple phone with buttons, cord and nothing else)
In 2016 we have touchscreens in fridges
Personally i dont like laptop touchscreens either...
It's a matter of time it's just that the software hasn't caught up. iOS was designed to be touched, while OS X was not. Nobody has really nailed a desktop OS with touch in mind. All they've done is add touch capability to a computing environment and it doesn't really flow. We'll probably see some type of evolution in desktop/mobile computing that incorporates touch, eye movements, etc.
Touch may NEVER see adequate integration for professional use on a desktop machine (besides a trackpad) for the simple reason that you can't see what you're touching, you don't get the precision a mouse or stylus gives you, holding your arms outstretched is awkward and far from ergonomic, putting the screen down and using a software keyboard - well that's an iPad already. Still the trouble with obstructing your view when touching what you're working on directly with your fingers remains.
I see no way around all of those constraints.
Everyday computing: iPad + Keyboard, yes I can see that.
Professional, precision reliant work, not so much.
I see no way around all of those constraints.
Everyday computing: iPad + Keyboard, yes I can see that.
Professional, precision reliant work, not so much.
Not EVER going to happen!
I keep my entire digital work on ONE device. I'm not going to switch between a desktop and a tablet. That would fly in the face of a decade of statistics showing desktops being relegated to niche markets and laptops being the number one PC. The only way that would change is if tablets had a full, desktop equivalent OS. And iOS ain't it!
It is not about "catching up" IMHO. Touch is fundamentally a input method that trades off the precision for convenience, and is intended for simple embedded systems or handheld devices. The starting ground for the user experience design is already vastly different. Now one wants an OS and its software ecosystem that are build around UX conventions that endorse a precise input method and a keyboard to adopt touch, just for the sake of being touchable? It doesn't make sense. Let alone the accessibility issues that have been discussed for years.
One size fits all just does not exist IMHO. More importantly, incorporating every piece of novel tech does not mean it would be always better. There are things that are mutually exclusive or "just novel" by nature.
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When ios will have same and all of the apps from desktop OS, when iOS will have multiple users accounts (seems with ioS10 will begin this users accounts thing),when ios will have a proper file management than, i think Apple will remove or merge the platforms. And i think this will be maybe in 10 years
Ok, so how likely is it new MBPs will be announced on the 21st? I'm not seeing much evidence that is pointing towards a refresh.
Given Gurman explicitly suggested they wouldn't be and he has one of the better track records out there, I'd say 75% chance of no refresh at this time.
Pick any page in this thread and read there to find out what we know (i.e nothing)
The future is new materials instead of silicon. I remember a few years ago there where some experiment from Intel and IBM doing 100ghz and 300ghz CPUs, just by using graphene instead of silicon.
Imagine... the power of a Mac Pro on a macbook 12 sized device.
That's the future we deserve, but not the we one we need right now. C'mon skylake!
Imagine... the power of a Mac Pro on a macbook 12 sized device.
That's the future we deserve, but not the we one we need right now. C'mon skylake!
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