Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[volcomvenom]

I go by the online alias pewkis and I'm saying there's a fair chance we'll receive some sort of announcement.

Does that make you feel better?

@Pewkis, in my mind there is a huge chance that apple will announce the new rMBP redesigned on Monday. My 2013 rMBP is crapping out and I set up an appointment on march 21st for a repair through applecare at 2:15pm 2 hours and 15 minutes after the announcement (according to apple they just may replace it because it's been 4 repairs so far on this one) so here I am hoping that I won't have it replaced with a 2015 rMBP, but with a brand new shiny rMBP 2016.

 

[Adam620]

So many changes, that the next macbook pro has to come with something worth the wait, a wow factor that Apple likes to gives us. Requires both hardware and software, thats why I expect nothing until WWDC.

The only problem with that theory is that the software wont launch until September (as per the last few years). Although they are said to be launching OSX 10.11.4 on Monday with some new features

 

[volcomvenom]

I hope that 10.11.4 will be dragging a rMBP 2016 in it's trail to be announced on March 21st.

 

[augustya]

You shut your mouth. What is 9t05Mac, because I thought it was 9to5Mac.

Idiot I meant the same thing !

 

[volcomvenom]

Idiot I meant the same thing !

I didn't mean any harm augustya I was just kidding (peace). I say you shut your mouth to everyone (do you kiss your mother with that mouth?). It's just my way of coping with my low self confidence.

 

[kanyehameha]

Does anyone think Apple will change the base storage amount of the rMBP 13in to 256GB whenever they choose to update it? The Retina MacBook has 256GB of storage as a minimum, I'm hoping Apple does the same with the other Pro laptops when they update them.

 

[Mattsasa]

How's an iGPU faster than a dGPU? In theory, it should be faster since it's integrated into the CPU but this splits the memory in half and therefore you can't utilize the VRAM fully. If you have a dedicated GPU, you can utilize the full VRAM.

More info please if you think "I'm not making any sense".
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So theoretically, sure if you have a dGPU on machine you get an extra 2GB of VRAM dedicated to the GPU, where as an iGPU has to share with the CPU RAM. But when you have 16GB of RAM, Ram limitations become no longer an issue. You can still have the CPU using 10GB and the GPU using 6GB. Or the CPU using 12GB and the GPU using 4GB. This is why dedicated VRAM does not give major performance gains.

Now in practice, we see from benchmarks that iGPU systems using only 45W of power perform on par with systems that have a 45W CPU and 50W GPU while using less than half the power. And saving money by not having to pay for 2 high end performance chips. And saving physical space.

This is why Apple is moving away from dGPUs.


Now don't get me wrong. I am an avid gamer and don't get me wrong I will still love to buy GTX Titans and stick them in my desktop computer. And I would even buy a 17" thick gaming laptop with a 145 Watt 980M that would have to be connected to a power source often. So of course there are some dGPUs that are going to still outperform iris 580, but that's because they are in another category, far higher price point, and far higher power consumption. If Intel wanted too...(I don't think they do) they could make an extreme end expensive 100 watt + mobile CPU with an even more powerful iGPU that could compete with things like 980M.

If the iGPU can accelerate my 4K video editing and compositing workflow better than a dGPU layout, I'm all for it.

I'm not against it...

It should be able to, and if not this generation than it will next generation.

Intel has been closing the performance gap between iGPUs and dGPUs dramatically over the last 5 years. And now they have closed the gap. Iris 580 is faster than the dGPU in the 15" MBP. And Iris 580 is faster than any dGPU available today that fits Apple's thermal requirements for the MacBook Pro. Sure maybe this summer pascal and Polaris will come out with faster chips, but then those will have to compete with kaby lake iGPUs eventually. Now that intel has closed the gap, now going forward iGPUs will be come the faster than dGPUs.

 

[MareLuce]

Basically, iGPU in Skylake (580) is likely to be very similar in raw performance to a GTX950M.

Just curious, does not meet the requirements for oculus rift / VR Games of later this year or next?

 

[darkbrain85]

The only problem with that theory is that the software wont launch until September (as per the last few years). Although they are said to be launching OSX 10.11.4 on Monday with some new features

Yes, and Skylake Macbooks will launch before September. Otherwise Apple has a big problem with Dell, Razor, Microsoft and others...
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Just curious, does not meet the requirements for oculus rift / VR Games of later this year or next?

VR ist nothing a consumer will use the next Years. Maybe Gamers, but Apple never provided a platform for high end gaming.

 

[TheralSadurns]

I bought a 27in 1440p Dell Ultrasharp a few months ago and I'm already ready to upgrade to a 4K display... Except my current MBP doesn't support 4K.

Actually... it DOES support 4k.
Even my 2011 MBP does! 4k/30Hz it is... but still 4k!

 

[darkbrain85]

Delivery time for Ipad Air 2 ist now Wednesday for Germany. All other products are still on Thursday.
So i think a new iPad is save with a new 4" iPhone.


Macbooks (all) are also still on Thursday... :-(

 

[soulforsoup]

When do retailers usually order their inventory?

Just got notified of an Apple retailer in Singapore that is seeking funding for the purchase of inventory, though the funding campaign ends in about 5 days.

 

[Mattsasa]

Just curious, does not meet the requirements for oculus rift / VR Games of later this year or next?

Not even close sorry, I don't think there are any mobile GPUs that support Oculus. You need a desktop graphics card

 

[Trahearne]

This is why dedicated VRAM does not give major performance gains.

The capacity of dedicated VRAM may not, but the speed and the aggregate memory I/O width would do so. Iris Pro is just relying on the system memory bandwidth and the on-package 128MB cache, both of which are shared with the rest of the system.

Now that intel has closed the gap, now going forward iGPUs will be come the faster than dGPUs.

Not saying it is impossible (e.g. AMD might bring HBM to its APU product stack), but this claim is a bit over-generalised. Integrated graphics can wipe a lot of entry level cards we used to have, but dGPU can still have an edge by having a dedicated, high-speed pool of memory.

P.S. I am interested in an Skylake rMBP with Iris Pro though.

 

[t0mat0]

Not even close sorry, I don't think there are any mobile GPUs that support Oculus. You need a desktop graphics card

Dumb q -
Oculus Rift & HTC Vive resolution is 2160x1200 @90fps.

iPhone 6s Plus pixel count is 1920x1080.
But isn't the rendered pixels 2208x1242?

Is the iPhone 6 Plus already doing the graphical work prior to downsizing to 1080x60Hz?

http://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/iphone-6-screens-demystified

Yes they'd need to increase fps by 50% - which would be what, 3 years worth of improvements at the current rate?

 

[WRONG]

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you mean like this?

 

[AirdanMR]

Actually... it DOES support 4k.
Even my 2011 MBP does! 4k/30Hz it is... but still 4k!

That's true but 30hz = 30fps max.

That's not usable for desktop - working user because it will cause headaches and eye strain to a lot of people.

 

[PKBeam]

something that bugs me is the fact that in the most recent Mac update (iMac), the models were discovered in the beta OS X about a month(?) prior to its release.

that and some other factors make me reconsider the certainty of a March MBP update.
but then again there's always the chance of a nice surprise, so i guess i'll hold on and hope for the best.

 

[ssong]

something that bugs me is the fact that in the most recent Mac update (iMac), the models were discovered in the beta OS X about a month(?) prior to its release.

based on this and given that there were virtually no Mac rumors, I would be inclined to think that updates are coming in June during WWDC... which sucks.. a lot

 

[nicovh]

My bet was, and still is on WWDC. But I would be very pleasantly surprised if we got some info on the new rMBP's.

And for the people wanting a new 15" rMBP, we have to wait a couple of months anyways for the processors with Iris Pro 580 iGPU.

 

[bgalakazam]

I tested an Iris 540 (nowhere near 580, I know), on the Surface Pro 4, and let me tell you, it was bad. You are putting too much hope into that iGPU. But if you want a $2500 machine with iGPU, go right ahead

 

[Jj237]

Considering the tagline "loop you in" i hope that they will AT LEAST inform us about the release date of the new MBP.

 

[augustya]

Dear Apple:

I seriously need a ****ing laptop by May and if all you guys announce is a freaking down sized ipad pro and iphone 6 and some new stupid watch bands that no one gives a ****; i'm gonna go get the new razer blade

Apple is like the BMW of computing world and so these guys have an attitude, Timmy boy would just tell you, please go ahead and get your self a razer blade or whatever we give a F*** !

 

[AYNOM]

@Pewkis, in my mind there is a huge chance that apple will announce the new rMBP redesigned on Monday. My 2013 rMBP is crapping out and I set up an appointment on march 21st for a repair through applecare at 2:15pm 2 hours and 15 minutes after the announcement (according to apple they just may replace it because it's been 4 repairs so far on this one) so here I am hoping that I won't have it replaced with a 2015 rMBP, but with a brand new shiny rMBP 2016.

It ain't happening.

 

[augustya]

It ain't happening.

Yep ! Probably even I go by this...It ain't happening ! Nope not on the 21st for sure !