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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Unfortunately you are rightthe sad story is that there are no leaks atm.
There were iphone leaks, ipad leaks, apple tv rumors.
so dont be disappointed
the sad story is that there are no leaks atm.
There were iphone leaks, ipad leaks, apple tv rumors.
so dont be disappointed
Yeah, but iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV are coming in September. We've still got a while to go before we should start expecting computer leaks.
I suggest the delineation of a MacBook and a MacBook Pro is about to finally mean something again...and we are poised to see some major changes in the Mac offerings...and prices.
Xeon is the "pro" in processor and it would permit Apple to offer a MBP at a higher premium than what we currently see. If you look at Apple's watch prices you get an idea of what Cook thinks about having product offerings for the penthouse crowd.
If Apple offered a blinged up case, two TB 3 ports, force touch and Intel Xeons with *multi-core* offerings...they could see a laptop for around 4k$. Or very possibly 5k$. Then they bump the MacBook up into where the MBP is today: low 2k price point using a generation older i7 CPU.
Consider the distinction between the iMac and the MacPro. iMac=consumer processor; MacPro=Xeon enterprise processor. The same philosophy would be intact with laptops if my prediction is correct. And the nomenclature is already in place.
Maybe my price projections are too high...but consider how then this creates a nice niche for an iPad Pro ($999-$1,499)
Xeon is the "pro" in processor and it would permit Apple to offer a MBP at a higher premium than what we currently see. If you look at Apple's watch prices you get an idea of what Cook thinks about having product offerings for the penthouse crowd.
If Apple offered a blinged up case, two TB 3 ports, force touch and Intel Xeons with *multi-core* offerings...they could see a laptop for around 4k$. Or very possibly 5k$. Then they bump the MacBook up into where the MBP is today: low 2k price point using a generation older i7 CPU.
Consider the distinction between the iMac and the MacPro. iMac=consumer processor; MacPro=Xeon enterprise processor. The same philosophy would be intact with laptops if my prediction is correct. And the nomenclature is already in place.
Maybe my price projections are too high...but consider how then this creates a nice niche for an iPad Pro ($999-$1,499)
I think you are totally wrong on this and it would kill the MBP line. The price point of the current MBP is already for a lot of buyers at the very limit what they can and will afford, including me. If a 15" MBP will cost more then $3K, I'm out and will buy a windows machine like the Lenovo P50 or P70 for $1500-2000. I don't think I will be the only one thinking like that.
Just check the sales figures of the Apple Watch:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/13/apple-watch-sales-estimated-3m-3-months/
The watch sport outsold the expensive watch edition by a factor of 2000 and the watch sport outsold the mid-range apple watch by a factor of 2. This tells you that the golden watch is an absolute niche product and in general the costumers are price sensitive since most of them chosen the "cheapest" version.
By putting a price tag of $3K and more on a MBP, Apple will place them in a niche category, but the MBP (and all OSX products) are a mass-market products and it needs to be, to be successful in the long term. Apple needs market share, especially to attract developers for the platform. Why would any developer create apps and programs for a niche platform?? I also think that within 2 years the Macbook will replace the MBA and we might never see a retina MBA and then the prices of the Macbook will come down to MBA levels. I think the current price of a Macbook is ridiculously high, for a product that has nothing much to offer other then being very thin.
I agree. I think, in regards to the Apple Edition Watch, it's purpose was two-fold. One, it was a decent advertisement for the Apple Watch - to have celebrities etc. with the ultra expensive version. Second, and importantly, I think, its purpose was to make the other versions of the watch seem like good deals, financially speaking. In a similar vain to how a GTX Titan/Titan X only appeals to a small crowd, its high price tag makes the already high price tags of 980/980 Ti's seem more reasonable financially.
In regards to MBPs I don't see Apple doing much to move the price point since it seems they're around the upper limit of what people would pay - especially alongside Windows alternatives.
Hmmm 2015 upgrade for the 13" isn't looking good
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/11/skylake-processors-for-macbook-air/
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/11/skylake-processors-for-macbook-air/
It was well known that a 2015 13" rMBP Skylake refresh wouldn't happen, no surprises there. Months back there were leaked slides claiming that 28W U-series Processors wouldn't launch until early 2016. The ones that will be released this fall are 47W parts suitable for the 15" rMBP. Now, I hope Apple decides to use these processors to refresh that ageing Haswell 15" rMBP this fall and not wait and leave it for next year.
OR
goes crazy and decides that it wants to use these 15W Macbook Air class processors for the 13" rMBP so everyone is happy.
EDIT: Here's a slide I just stumbled upon.....the new Thinkpad is already using these.
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goes crazy and decides that it wants to use these 15W Macbook Air class processors for the 13" rMBP so everyone is happy. EDIT: Here's a slide I just stumbled upon.....the new Thinkpad is already using these.
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There is no way in heck that Apple is going to let a bargain vendor like Lenova beat them at the high end of the market. No possible way. No possible way that happens. EVER!
Not ever!
Be assured that Apple has known about these mobile Xeons for a long, long time. I suggest that Intel might have talked to the Apple folks to assess their interest before they went off and built it....or that Apple was the one suggesting the whole idea in the first place!
There will be high end MacBook Pro's at a price point near--or over 4k. You can take that prediction to the bank.
But if your budget is 2,200-2,800$ don't worry! Apple won't blow up the customers wanting to buy a very well appointed laptop in this niche. But such a mid-level laptop product will be driven by consumer-class CPUs, sans another feature or two that sets the new enterprise Xeon MacBookPro apart.
Not ever!
Be assured that Apple has known about these mobile Xeons for a long, long time. I suggest that Intel might have talked to the Apple folks to assess their interest before they went off and built it....or that Apple was the one suggesting the whole idea in the first place!
There will be high end MacBook Pro's at a price point near--or over 4k. You can take that prediction to the bank.
But if your budget is 2,200-2,800$ don't worry! Apple won't blow up the customers wanting to buy a very well appointed laptop in this niche. But such a mid-level laptop product will be driven by consumer-class CPUs, sans another feature or two that sets the new enterprise Xeon MacBookPro apart.
Of course there will be a high end Macbook Pro at a price point near--or over 4k (a little bit too much?! 3.5K is more appropriate)....as a FULLY loaded BTO. The Thinkpads that were shown today at SIGGRAPH 2015 just cost US$ 1499 for the 15" and US$ 1999 for the 17". Both include this newly released Skylake Xeon processor, with all the bells and whistles (thunderbolt 3 ports, Quadro dGPU, and up to 64GB of DDR4 ECC RAM). I doubt that Apple is suddenly going to drive up the prices drastically just because they decided to put a Xeon and ECC memory support. Apparently having a "Xeon" wasn't enough for Lenovo to price these laptops near the exorbitant amount that you are suggesting, they are actually pretty cheap IMO. Another thing I've been wondering is why some here think that this will be the CPU that goes in the next refresh, not saying that it wouldn't be possible since it has the same TDP as current Haswell parts.
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Hmmm 2015 upgrade for the 13" isn't looking good
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/11/skylake-processors-for-macbook-air/
What's interesting is that back in April, Intel told its partners that 15W Skylake U class chips would have Iris graphics.
(http://www.fudzilla.com/news/notebooks/37472-skylake-15w-mobile-skus-getting-iris-graphics)
However, all of the 15W chips from today's leak only have Intel HD graphics. Meanwhile, the 28W chips weren't even on leaked roadmaps months ago. It's very unlikely Apple would put Intel HD graphics in the 13" MBP, so barring additional 15W/28W chips being announced on August 18, the most likely scenario now would be Skylake updates for the MBA and 15" MBP this fall, while the 13" MBP has to wait until Q1 2016.
I'm still holding out hope for a miracle on the 18th. Who's with me?
Do you guys not think the new lineup wont be for the Air's? I honestly don't because they'd outperform the MBP which wouldn't work. But the article was saying it'd use older faster Broadwell's? Would we see a refresh Oct then again March?
The Lenovo Thinkpad 15" with the new Xeon is 25% heavier than the current MBP and super thick. What's the TDP for these?
I would not expect the new Xeon to end up in the MBP. The Macbook Pro has always been more of a casual consumer computer and the "Pro" should not confuse it with the Mac Pro.
You should not expect any new 13" either, I mean the 13" got the new Broadwell CPU just 5 months ago. If you need one go buy it.
Why do you not expect a new 13" this year? They've done 6-7mo refreshes before with the MBP. But I really am considering going to the Apple store tomorrow and getting a Early 2015 13" rather than waiting. I have a main desktop and I never game (except CS:GO and waiting for FO4) so I feel the GPU improvements wont matter much to me with next gen, and the speed improvements are minor. I'm probably not going to have to do anything hard on it except write papers, homework, etc. for college.
True I didn't think about that. But what about the comment that they could just use upgraded Broadwell's? So they could still release a minor update.
True but wouldn't this be considered a somewhat special case given that Broadwell was so delayed that they would skip it for 15" and jump straight to Skylake? If that's the case I'm thinking we'll see a 13" Skylake as well, preferably this October
Broadwell is a drop in replacement, they just need to put the chip in the assembly machine instead of the haswell cpu.
Intel has not shown any such commitment to ramping up Broadwell production. All the talk from them suggests a focus upon moving on to Skylake. If they keep committing to Broadwell, it comes at the cost of Skylake, which will have a cascading effect on their future releases.
I still think this is correct.
About 47W, the same as the current 15" Macbook Pro
The Lenovo Thinkpad 15" with the new Xeon is 25% heavier than the current MBP and super thick. What's the TDP for these?
Apple lagging behind as usual: http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/11/9129681/lenovo-skylake-xeon-notebooks-p50-p70
Lenovo Thinkpad P50 and P70 with Skylake, 4K display and 64GB RAM, up to 1TB of SSD storage, and two USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports for super-fast data transfer.
Prices for the P50 start at $1,599 and for the P70 at $1,999
Lenovo Thinkpad P50 and P70 with Skylake, 4K display and 64GB RAM, up to 1TB of SSD storage, and two USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports for super-fast data transfer.
Prices for the P50 start at $1,599 and for the P70 at $1,999
You can't buy these yet.Apple lagging behind as usual: http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/11/9129681/lenovo-skylake-xeon-notebooks-p50-p70
Lenovo Thinkpad P50 and P70 with Skylake, 4K display and 64GB RAM, up to 1TB of SSD storage, and two USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports for super-fast data transfer.
Prices for the P50 start at $1,599 and for the P70 at $1,999
Would this these be the equivalent of MBPs or MBAs?Apple lagging behind as usual: http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/11/9129681/lenovo-skylake-xeon-notebooks-p50-p70
Lenovo Thinkpad P50 and P70 with Skylake, 4K display and 64GB RAM, up to 1TB of SSD storage, and two USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports for super-fast data transfer.
Prices for the P50 start at $1,599 and for the P70 at $1,999
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