So people are still waiting huh? Still remember people swore it would come out last fall. lol Glad I didn't wait. Been using rMBP 2015 for almost a year now and it's been serving me well. Will upgrade when the refresh of Macbook Pro with skylake comes out, with most rough edges ironed out and polished. Would be perfect timing.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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they can make same butterfly system but with more travel since the MBP will not be as thin as the macbook
so better keyboard illuminations and so on
why are people so scared that apple will handicap the MBP by making it thinner?
where were all the performance and battery complaints in 2012?
where were all the performance and battery complaints in 2012?
I think the concern is that if Apple only pursue thinness in what is supposed to be a powerhouse machine, that they will have to throttle an otherwise great chip in order to gain that thinness. I personally think that there is enough scope to thin out the chassis by 1 or 2 mm if they change over to USB C sockets instead of USB A sockets. Mind you, that would be a pain in my backside, as I have a USB3 storage device permanently attached to my current MBP for storing work stuff...
But Apple has proven that they can thin a product AND boost performance simultaneously.
Pretty sure they could thin the lid and the underside of the rMBP without gimping it.
Well, sort of... The Macbook is very thin... and reasonably powerful if you aren't pushing the CPU too hard. The CPU is heavily throttled when undertaking onerous tasks - I have actually seen one get incredibly slow under load (running Photoshop, Illustrator and YouTube on Chrome at the same time - something that only slightly slows down my 2011 MBP).
I understand the concerns, however, I doubt that Apple are going to release a Pro machine that relies on CPU throttling in order for the CPU not to overheat; it would no longer be a Pro machine.
Interesting read (Intel is officially slowing down the pace of CPU releases):
http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/23/intel-eliminating-tick-tock-moores-law/
http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/23/intel-eliminating-tick-tock-moores-law/
They're starting to bang their heads against the wall of diminishing returns. The next few years are going to be itneresting ^^
Indeed, may be well worth waiting for skylake MBP and getting it as who knows when the next decent CPU upgrade is going to be available from Intel..
don't be...
how many people who owned unibody pre-retina MBPs started complaining about overheating and poor performance after buying a retina model?
how many people who owned unibody pre-retina MBPs started complaining about overheating and poor performance after buying a retina model?
Because ultra thin means a severe lack of features, most likely no Thunderbolt, USB C only, no MagSafe, no discrete GPU.
All the things the Pro line has been known for.
I think the problem that many apple devotees are having with the development pipeline at the moment is its seeming snails pace. It just seems that that apple is falling further and further behind. Their products are still good, but they are often delivered months or even YEARS behind their competitors (e.g. samsung is on what? their third/fourth smartwatch?).
Even when they do get a product out the door its spec is often years behind e.g. 9.7" iPad Pro is STILL USB2.... Really! 5400rpm HDDs in iMacs, 16GB storage in a $1000 phone? etc.
Also the baffling lack of product updates in products that are desperate for it e.g. where the bloody hell is the 4K Cinema Display for the Mac Pro? These should have been out the door YEARS ago.
And don't get me started on the contempt that has been displayed by Apple to pro users (their initial support base) with killing products like Aperture, a product making apple money that would require only tiny resources to keep up to date. Leaving us all with Adobe the only game in town. Thanks for that...
Yes the ecosystem keeps us here, but faster moving companies like Samsung are getting BETTER products to market MUCH sooner than apple. And what about Xiaomi? they are being more Apple than apple USED to be, and they have not even started on the US market.
I have been a devoted Mac user for the last decade, and i don't want to have to start from scratch, but i will if the cutting edge is elsewhere.
Even when they do get a product out the door its spec is often years behind e.g. 9.7" iPad Pro is STILL USB2.... Really! 5400rpm HDDs in iMacs, 16GB storage in a $1000 phone? etc.
Also the baffling lack of product updates in products that are desperate for it e.g. where the bloody hell is the 4K Cinema Display for the Mac Pro? These should have been out the door YEARS ago.
And don't get me started on the contempt that has been displayed by Apple to pro users (their initial support base) with killing products like Aperture, a product making apple money that would require only tiny resources to keep up to date. Leaving us all with Adobe the only game in town. Thanks for that...
Yes the ecosystem keeps us here, but faster moving companies like Samsung are getting BETTER products to market MUCH sooner than apple. And what about Xiaomi? they are being more Apple than apple USED to be, and they have not even started on the US market.
I have been a devoted Mac user for the last decade, and i don't want to have to start from scratch, but i will if the cutting edge is elsewhere.
I don't need the next rMBP to be cutting edge... I don't even have an issue with Apple's products being a little behind the times (N.B. that is a little behind, not a long way behind, which they are at the moment), as I know that, like my current MBP, their products are solidly engineered. That's not to say that they don't have problems, the dGPU in my MBP crapped itself in January of this year - but, because Apple knew this was a potential problem, it was fixed at no charge, even though it was out of warranty and AppleCare.
This is the reason (apart from the fact I greatly dislike Win-blows) that I am still waiting for the moment, for the new rMBP. Really, when you think about it, if the appropriate chips aren't even being sold by the manufacturer yet, the new rMBP can't be that far behind when it does eventually get released.
In the UK if we leave the EU you will not get that level of support from Apple. My Nvidia chip went faulty in my 2010 MB Pro and Apple replaced the mother board free of charge, but they states it was because EU law states they have to, they were very specific about that. So no EU membership and no Apple repairing 4 or 5 year old machines for free.
Actually, this is a point I've been meaning to make in favor of the slow release cycle. Samsung has indeed released a slew of smart watches, and Apple's has been criticized for being imperfect in several ways, even behind the times.
And I'm sure someone on here will say how great the Samsung whatever watch is, but in my opinion the Apple Watch is what a smartwatch should be. Could it be better? Well, yeah, but it's well-engineered, looks nice, and does exactly what I want it to.
You've got an even stronger argument for the slow release cycle in the iPhone. I remember people kvetching about Android phones having "innovative" features like eye tracking, 3D screens and even 3D cameras (remember those?). Gimmicks, but people slammed Apple for "not innovating" when others had these features.
Well, you know what else is a gimmick? Underpowered Skylake chips in "Pro" machines. Despite the whiners here (sorry, it's true), Apple still knows how to cater to the small but loyal "Pro" market. And they're not going to do that by making a big iPad or a cute but underpowered Retina MacBook, they're going to do it with a powerful and well-designed MacBook Pro. It might seem slow to arrive, but that's because Apple takes its time with EVERYTHING. Seriously, they're always behind a little because they so heavily engineer their stuff. That's what makes it good. That's what makes me excited for my first Mac ever. It's the whole package that Windows/Android products can never seem to deliver.
That being said, my daily driver is a hearty 2008-era Windows 10 desktop with minor backup from a 2012-era i7 powered laptop. I'm not the kind of person to jump computers frequently as long as they still perform like I need them to. I can still do all my work, including Photoshop, easily on these machines. Despite seeming "old and outdated" to some, the current MBPs are still quite capable machines. But the new ones are coming eventually, and they'll be good, solid performers if slightly behind the times and lacking the popular gimmicks of the day (touchscreen, detachable).
Interesting post that showed up in this reddit thread the other day, responding to allegations of lack of leaks on the SL MBP..
"As someone who knows actual apple employees who tell me things they shouldn't, even the employees are surprised sometimes.
People I know on the Mac engineering team said the new skylake Macs were released from engineering weeks ago. Given the pattern they've witnessed with previous Mac releases, and the time it's taken them to go from engineering to manufacturing to announcement and release, they expected announcement yesterday. They were thoroughly surprised when that didn't happen.
But the exact timing on that stuff is above their pay grade, and they certainly don't notify employees about these kinds of decisions. It could have been a supply chain or manufacturing issue, or maybe they just didn't want to clog up the presentation with Macs and are holding it a month for that reason alone. Who knows; the engineers certainly don't.
Why do I mention this? Because 1) REAL leaks aren't just manufacturing or supply chain, and 2) even REAL leaks may not have all of the information and might be making some educated guesses (and occasionally be wrong)."
if that's the case, i don't it'd be a redesign. maybe a spec bump to skylake then a redesign in the fall?
"As someone who knows actual apple employees who tell me things they shouldn't, even the employees are surprised sometimes.
People I know on the Mac engineering team said the new skylake Macs were released from engineering weeks ago. Given the pattern they've witnessed with previous Mac releases, and the time it's taken them to go from engineering to manufacturing to announcement and release, they expected announcement yesterday. They were thoroughly surprised when that didn't happen.
But the exact timing on that stuff is above their pay grade, and they certainly don't notify employees about these kinds of decisions. It could have been a supply chain or manufacturing issue, or maybe they just didn't want to clog up the presentation with Macs and are holding it a month for that reason alone. Who knows; the engineers certainly don't.
Why do I mention this? Because 1) REAL leaks aren't just manufacturing or supply chain, and 2) even REAL leaks may not have all of the information and might be making some educated guesses (and occasionally be wrong)."
if that's the case, i don't it'd be a redesign. maybe a spec bump to skylake then a redesign in the fall?
What part of that makes you thnk it's not a redesign? I doubt Apple would release a product, only to make it completely and utterly obsolete (and probably out of production) 3-4 months later. That's unthinkable to me.
The reddit post doesn't give any indication either of way of whether or not it's a redesign
How could Apple make it less tall, lighter, more powerful?
XPS 15: 11-17mm (0.45-0.667")
XPS 13: 9-15mm (0.33 – 0.6")
13" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
15" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
MBA: 3-17mm (0.11-0.67")
rMB: 3.5-13mm (0.14–0.52")
The 15" rMBP has kept the same height - 18mm whilst improving it's battery 28% from the previous generation, and getting a 5% increase between the 2013 vs 2015 models.
The 13" rMBP has gone from 19mm to 18mm - whilst keeping it's battery fairly similar (74 -> 71.8 to 74.9Wh - improving it's battery 17% from the previous generation.
Every generation, the battery has been higher Wh, and there have been improvements from previous models.
This happening as the rMBP went from 19mm to 18mm.
The 13" 2nd gen MBP was 4.5lb (2.04kg), now it's 3.48lb (1.58kg) - 1 lb / ~500g lighter.
The 15" 1st and 2nd gen MBP were ~5.6 lb (2.5kg) and rMBP 3rd gen now 4.49 lb (2.04kg) - also ~1lb lighter.
Apple does seem to have a track record of being able to reduce weight, improve battery, whilst improving performance.
Will the CPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes
Will any dGPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes
Will it be an improvement on the current ones in terms of weight, size, and performance? I'd say likely. If it's not Town Hall (300 seats), but before WWDC - there's always Yerba Buena Centre (700 odd seats) (Flint seems a bit big)
Boring battery info
15" MBP Batteries 1st Generation
Early 2006, Late 2006, Mid 2007, Late 2007, Early 2008: 60 Wh
2nd Generation - Unibody
Late 2008, Early 2009: 50Wh
Mid 2009: 73Wh
Mid 2010, Early 2011, Late 2011, Mid 2012: 77.5Wh
Retina 15"
Mid 2012, Late 2012, Early 2013, Late 2013: 95Wh
Early 2015, Mid 2015: 99.5Wh
XPS 15: 11-17mm (0.45-0.667")
XPS 13: 9-15mm (0.33 – 0.6")
13" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
15" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
MBA: 3-17mm (0.11-0.67")
rMB: 3.5-13mm (0.14–0.52")
The 15" rMBP has kept the same height - 18mm whilst improving it's battery 28% from the previous generation, and getting a 5% increase between the 2013 vs 2015 models.
The 13" rMBP has gone from 19mm to 18mm - whilst keeping it's battery fairly similar (74 -> 71.8 to 74.9Wh - improving it's battery 17% from the previous generation.
Every generation, the battery has been higher Wh, and there have been improvements from previous models.
This happening as the rMBP went from 19mm to 18mm.
The 13" 2nd gen MBP was 4.5lb (2.04kg), now it's 3.48lb (1.58kg) - 1 lb / ~500g lighter.
The 15" 1st and 2nd gen MBP were ~5.6 lb (2.5kg) and rMBP 3rd gen now 4.49 lb (2.04kg) - also ~1lb lighter.
Apple does seem to have a track record of being able to reduce weight, improve battery, whilst improving performance.
Will the CPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes
Will any dGPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes
Will it be an improvement on the current ones in terms of weight, size, and performance? I'd say likely. If it's not Town Hall (300 seats), but before WWDC - there's always Yerba Buena Centre (700 odd seats) (Flint seems a bit big)
Boring battery info
15" MBP Batteries 1st Generation
Early 2006, Late 2006, Mid 2007, Late 2007, Early 2008: 60 Wh
2nd Generation - Unibody
Late 2008, Early 2009: 50Wh
Mid 2009: 73Wh
Mid 2010, Early 2011, Late 2011, Mid 2012: 77.5Wh
Retina 15"
Mid 2012, Late 2012, Early 2013, Late 2013: 95Wh
Early 2015, Mid 2015: 99.5Wh
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