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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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Good I bought my rmbp 2015 at the end of january, when the prices on eaby were fairly low.
Waiting till june 2016 would be too hard for me. Additionally I need that machine now for work.
But if they would've upgraded on monday I'd be really pissed.
 
I want to throw something out there. this is based on my old feeble memory, but I don't think Apple has been a market leader since Sandy Bridge.
I went through this same bs waiting for Broadwell and Haswell when I needed a new desktop (wanted a quad core BW mini). Looking back, I think it's been the same throughout the laptop lines also. The MBA was a market leader IMO; untouchable price to spec wise for quite a while.
Now, the are routinely 6 months or more behind the competition.
This is what makes me go hmmmmmm....

PS- to those who complain about whining and sheeple: give it up already. I seriously doubt anyone is truly that emotionally dependent on Apple. It's an Internet forum; histrionics are the norm.
 
knassar said:
What part of that makes you thnk it's not a redesign? I doubt Apple would release a product, only to make it completely and utterly obsolete (and probably out of production) 3-4 months later. That's unthinkable to me.

The reddit post doesn't give any indication either of way of whether or not it's a redesign :)
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i'm considering asking him about that, see if he'll elaborate or add to what he knows.
 
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ceedge said:
Interesting post that showed up in this reddit thread the other day, responding to allegations of lack of leaks on the SL MBP..

"As someone who knows actual apple employees who tell me things they shouldn't, even the employees are surprised sometimes.

People I know on the Mac engineering team said the new skylake Macs were released from engineering weeks ago. Given the pattern they've witnessed with previous Mac releases, and the time it's taken them to go from engineering to manufacturing to announcement and release, they expected announcement yesterday. They were thoroughly surprised when that didn't happen.

But the exact timing on that stuff is above their pay grade, and they certainly don't notify employees about these kinds of decisions. It could have been a supply chain or manufacturing issue, or maybe they just didn't want to clog up the presentation with Macs and are holding it a month for that reason alone. Who knows; the engineers certainly don't.

Why do I mention this? Because 1) REAL leaks aren't just manufacturing or supply chain, and 2) even REAL leaks may not have all of the information and might be making some educated guesses (and occasionally be wrong)."

if that's the case, i don't it'd be a redesign. maybe a spec bump to skylake then a redesign in the fall?
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Someone posted a video earlier where the guys were also saying that the updates were ready.

Now I hope they don't wait for June to announce them.

Come on Apple !!
 
In July 1976 the Apple I went on sale for $666.66 (aside: evil, much? hehe).

I hereby propose the theory that to celebrate 40 years of Apple computers (that's right, *computers*; indeed that product family which inspired and defined Apple for the majority of its corporate existence), Apple will announce on April 1st, 2016 (Apple's 40th anniversary since founding) an across-the-board update/refresh/redesign extravaganza for all Mac products, therewith astonishing and mesmerizing the lot of us with delicious computing delights that we dare not dream of.

I want to believe...
 
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brewmonkey said:
In July 1976 the Apple I went on sale for $666.66 (aside: evil, much? hehe).

I hereby propose the theory that to celebrate 40 years of Apple computers (that's right, *computers*; indeed that product family which inspired and defined Apple for the majority of its corporate existence), Apple will announce on April 1st, 2016 (Apple's 40th anniversary since founding) an across-the-board update/refresh/redesign extravaganza for all Mac products, therewith astonishing and mesmerizing the lot of us with delicious computing delights that we dare not dream of.

I want to believe...
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Yeah that's pretty much my theory as well... they saved the Macs for a massive b-day celebration... I hope..
 
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t0mat0 said:
How could Apple make it less tall, lighter, more powerful?

XPS 15: 11-17mm (0.45-0.667")
XPS 13: 9-15mm (0.33 – 0.6")

13" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
15" MBP: 18mm (0.71")
MBA: 3-17mm (0.11-0.67")
rMB: 3.5-13mm (0.14–0.52")

The 15" rMBP has kept the same height - 18mm whilst improving it's battery 28% from the previous generation, and getting a 5% increase between the 2013 vs 2015 models.

The 13" rMBP has gone from 19mm to 18mm - whilst keeping it's battery fairly similar (74 -> 71.8 to 74.9Wh - improving it's battery 17% from the previous generation.

Every generation, the battery has been higher Wh, and there have been improvements from previous models.
This happening as the rMBP went from 19mm to 18mm.

The 13" 2nd gen MBP was 4.5lb (2.04kg), now it's 3.48lb (1.58kg) - 1 lb / ~500g lighter.
The 15" 1st and 2nd gen MBP were ~5.6 lb (2.5kg) and rMBP 3rd gen now 4.49 lb (2.04kg) - also ~1lb lighter.

Apple does seem to have a track record of being able to reduce weight, improve battery, whilst improving performance.
Will the CPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes
Will any dGPU be less powerful than wanted by some? Yes

Will it be an improvement on the current ones in terms of weight, size, and performance? I'd say likely. If it's not Town Hall (300 seats), but before WWDC - there's always Yerba Buena Centre (700 odd seats) (Flint seems a bit big) ;)


Boring battery info
15" MBP Batteries 1st Generation
Early 2006, Late 2006, Mid 2007, Late 2007, Early 2008: 60 Wh

2nd Generation - Unibody
Late 2008, Early 2009: 50Wh
Mid 2009: 73Wh
Mid 2010, Early 2011, Late 2011, Mid 2012: 77.5Wh

Retina 15"
Mid 2012, Late 2012, Early 2013, Late 2013: 95Wh
Early 2015, Mid 2015: 99.5Wh
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very thorough, very nice
 
You know guys what I figured (D'uh)?
Not Apple's Hardware is our problem.
Not MS' Software is our problem.
Our problem is, that there are only 2 real OS's for mainstream usage.

I've been trying out different Linux Distros lately and many of them reach a comfort and usability of lets say Windows XP or even Windows 7 (ubuntu and mint). Some are artistically beautiful, lightweight and blazingly fast (like elementary OS) and considering that mostly all of Linux Software is free, that Linux is AT LEAST as stable as Windows (and doesn't have that registry, dll crap) I'm just wondering why not one big tech company is actually FUNDING some pretty advanced linux distro and support it to a point where all the little bumps (there are SOME) are ironed out and it's as shiny as OSX.

Just imagine the possibilities.

Or forget Linuxs. Just imagine there would be a third party OS developer. Something completely new, compatible with UNIX (and therefore Mac OS) and it would be free to install on any hardware. Problem solved.
I kinda feel the burn of being forced onto Apples hardware only because Im cought in their ecosystem because (admittedly) they make the best OS.

Still, I don't like Mac OS becoming more and more iOS...

Thoughts?
 
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It should be noted that Apple doesn't really deserve any credit for increasing performance and reducing heat.

Most, if not all the credit should go to Intel. They are the ones shrinking die sizes, reducing the thermal envelope and specifying/designing cooling strategies to keep their silicon performant.

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With regards to the possibility April 1st/40th birthday, it doesn't seem likely as even if it's just a spec bump across the board, with that many products being updated, we would have had some rumors or leaks in advance.

WWDC seems like the sure bet now. I would love nothing more though, than to be wrong and eat crow for the previous statement.
 
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prabal.malhan said:
If they wanted to release new MBP on 1st April,then they would have surely announced them at 21.Who would miss that great opportunity?
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Agreed. Releasing at/near WWDC makes sense:
  • Back-to-school promotion kicks off mid-June
  • WWDC audience is more interested in MBPs than the average Joe, who is more interested in iPhones and tablets
  • They want to give the iPad Pro some space to establish a foothold in the market without the threat of new MBPs eating into that market
  • Instead of two main product launches throughout the year--spring and fall--they now have three: spring, summer/late spring, and fall
 
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brewmonkey said:
In July 1976 the Apple I went on sale for $666.66 (aside: evil, much? hehe).

I hereby propose the theory that to celebrate 40 years of Apple computers (that's right, *computers*; indeed that product family which inspired and defined Apple for the majority of its corporate existence), Apple will announce on April 1st, 2016 (Apple's 40th anniversary since founding) an across-the-board update/refresh/redesign extravaganza for all Mac products, therewith astonishing and mesmerizing the lot of us with delicious computing delights that we dare not dream of.

I want to believe...
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Still no-go for the MacBook Pro, though. If there was going to be a Pro redesign, they would have announced it at the Spring event and said it shipped on April 1st. A silent update on the 1st does seem reasonable, actually.

However, the Retina iMac 21.5" got released with no Keynote, so a press release is possible, since I doubt a MBP redesign will be that much different.
 
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TechZeke said:
Still no-go for the MacBook Pro, though. If there was going to be a Pro redesign, they would have announced it at the Spring event and said it shipped on April 1st. A silent update on the 1st does seem reasonable, actually.

However, the Retina iMac 21.5" got released with no Keynote, so a press release is possible, since I doubt a MBP redesign will be that much different.
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The 21.5" iMac only got bumped to a 4K screen, along with other spec bumps (and some storage downgrades, if memory serves XD). Not negligible, but not a redesign by any stretch.

Apple will want to milk a rMBP redesign for all it's worth, in my opinion.

Especially after last week's event. If that tripe was worthy of an event, an MBP redesign surely is.
 
It makes sense to not release new MACs at the same event where they repeated like 20 times that the future of personal computing (PC) are the iPads. Oh btw, here are the new PCs/Macs. Right? :)
 
The way things are going with the iPad Pros, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple decides to merge iOS and OSX at WWDC (or shortly thereafter). That might be the big "shabang" for their anniversary.

MS already has Windows 10 running on both their phones and computers. And the way Apple insists that iOS is capable of running "Pro" machines, as well as their recent pattern of sacrificing power for thinness in their Macbook lineups, it seems very likely.
 
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IndigoDesign said:
You know guys what I figured (D'uh)?
Not Apple's Hardware is our problem.
Not MS' Software is our problem.
Our problem is, that there are only 2 real OS's for mainstream usage.

I've been trying out different Linux Distros lately and many of them reach a comfort and usability of lets say Windows XP or even Windows 7 (ubuntu and mint). Some are artistically beautiful, lightweight and blazingly fast (like elementary OS) and considering that mostly all of Linux Software is free, that Linux is AT LEAST as stable as Windows (and doesn't have that registry, dll crap) I'm just wondering why not one big tech company is actually FUNDING some pretty advanced linux distro and support it to a point where all the little bumps (there are SOME) are ironed out and it's as shiny as OSX.

Just imagine the possibilities.

Or forget Linuxs. Just imagine there would be a third party OS developer. Something completely new, compatible with UNIX (and therefore Mac OS) and it would be free to install on any hardware. Problem solved.
I kinda feel the burn of being forced onto Apples hardware only because Im cought in their ecosystem because (admittedly) they make the best OS.

Still, I don't like Mac OS becoming more and more iOS...

Thoughts?
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It's only a matter of time before Google joins the party with their Android adaptation, Wether that's a good thing or not I don't know but ReMix is getting there, which is an android spin-off. As soon as Google get's this right and releases a good hardware solution together with good software support for apps like Office, Photoshop, Lightroom and others a like they might get it of the ground.
 
IndigoDesign said:
You know guys what I figured (D'uh)?
Not Apple's Hardware is our problem.
Not MS' Software is our problem.
Our problem is, that there are only 2 real OS's for mainstream usage.

I've been trying out different Linux Distros lately and many of them reach a comfort and usability of lets say Windows XP or even Windows 7 (ubuntu and mint). Some are artistically beautiful, lightweight and blazingly fast (like elementary OS) and considering that mostly all of Linux Software is free, that Linux is AT LEAST as stable as Windows (and doesn't have that registry, dll crap) I'm just wondering why not one big tech company is actually FUNDING some pretty advanced linux distro and support it to a point where all the little bumps (there are SOME) are ironed out and it's as shiny as OSX.

Just imagine the possibilities.

Or forget Linuxs. Just imagine there would be a third party OS developer. Something completely new, compatible with UNIX (and therefore Mac OS) and it would be free to install on any hardware. Problem solved.
I kinda feel the burn of being forced onto Apples hardware only because Im cought in their ecosystem because (admittedly) they make the best OS.

Still, I don't like Mac OS becoming more and more iOS...

Thoughts?
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Why would any of those so called big tech companies take the risk and spend money on this? The market is already so overwhelmingly dominated by two big players, it is very very difficult for a new player to make a real dent on the consumer and office market (Linux is omnipresent on the enterprise backends though) because of the ecosystem. Even the almighty Google is having so-so success with their Chrome OS. And most other companies can't see much benefit on the potential huge investment.
 
Went over to reddit to see if tvtb had leaked anything else. Here are the Mac-relevant posts:
"The Air line is dead. They'll be updating the MB and MBP ranges."
"The [12-inch Macbook] coming out [March 21st] will have Thunderbolt3, and will have a better-than-usual bump in speed given that the previous gen was Intel's first generation of those 5W chips."
 
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