the first product that will get the 3.5mm jack removed will be iphone. so the mac since, a redesign is meant to be in almost 4 years,will keep the jack until 2019-2020.
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True... But that could be a thing of the past... TB3 has a lower port-height than TB2.
Tb2/Displayport vs HDMI.
Bluetooth audio is horribly compressed and delayed.
Also SD cards are useful to "upgrade" the storage of these impossible to expand machines
Also SD cards are useful to "upgrade" the storage of these impossible to expand machines
USB-C does NOT support Thunderbolt 3. It is 100% NOT compatible and a completely different standard.
Thunderbolt 3, however, uses the same connector as USB-C and can also work with USB-C devices.
So what the new MBP would need... is not USB-C, but TB3... in order to support both.
Oh hey.
While I know I shouldn't bite the bait, the thread is so calm and boring for the lack of new informations that maybe a little spark of life can be funny.
So, let's go!
First of all, thank you, it's really interesting to see people than know me more than myself just by reading a couple of sentences I wrote on internet. Maybe you're a psychologist? And of course Apple isn't for me, how can I know more than you what is the best tool for my needs? But yeah, I understand how Apple products are made just for a caste of enlightened people. Not for us, the poor of mind.
Then, of course details are not important for me. I'm so amazed by how you get it.
As long as Apple put something in the aluminum chassis, I'm happy to buy it.
I'm not waiting for this damn laptop because I need something that correspond to my needs. Nope.
I need just the glowing Apple.
And yes, the details are the most important thing in design.
Ask everyone, everyone will tell you so.
It's not the idea, the concept that is at the very basis of the project, the thing that matters, and on which all the product is build and then improved, making then the details matter.
No, the details are important. Eliminating 15 mms and 10 grams of ports is the most important detail.
They will really make the work and the life of users more easy.
Just in exchange for a couple of more adaptors, of course.
So, after saying that, would you mind explain to me/the forum what's the solution you suggest to use for the lack of USB / MagSafe / 3.5 Jack?
And also, what are the devices you use that make you hate those ports? Or that make you not using that ports?
You don't use USB? Don't you make back-up? You don't use headphones?
Oh, and before I forget:
this is the essential force touch trackpad that all users needed so bad for their work and their job.
you can clearly see how tiny and light it is, compared to those ugly, heavy and bulky ports.
Yes, who needs universal ports when you can have a futurist trackpad made with magnets and a steel bar?
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Thats exactly what I meant. We are talking about ports, so USB-C with TB3 aka TB3 which uses the USB-C port. Since you are nit-picking: I would argue my statement "USB-C supporting TB3" is not incorrect since it implies a TB3 controller, while your statements "USB-C does not support TB3" and "it is 100% NOT compatible" are imprecise or incorrect. They are compatible, but "USB-C does not necessarily support TB3".
Sorry, lets try not to read each others posts in the most negative way possible. I'll do my best.
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Well, the next MBP will have USB-C. And USB-C can replace USB and MagSafe, as well as HDMI. So why have three different kinds of ports rather than just one that does it all? In the long run it is more flexible, cheaper and simpler for device producers and consumers. And your accessories will also work with the MB12 and other devices that only have USB-C.
So in two years, maybe almost all newly released accessories use the USB-C port. It may be a bit painful now for users who have a lot of USB devices. But thats how the world goes forward.
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You guys are both in agreement, but each of you is failing to clearly delineate the difference between connector and interface. USB-C is a type of connector (just like USB-A, which is what we've had all over the place so far), whereas Thunderbolt is an interface.
I've lost count of the number of times i've said this since i piggy-backed onto this thread. But everyone needs to chill out, and to realize that nothing they say will have any impact whatsoever on the products we end up getting, whenever we end up getting them.
I premise that I'm really relaxed right now.
For what I see, the only one here nervous is Oppenheim.
As long as we smoothly talk about our predictions on the MBP, I really see no problems.
For me this would mean need an adaptor. Right now, to have only the USB-C force me to have something to carry around for my ever needs.
Plug-in a USB flash, or the receiver of my mouse, or my smartphone charger, or my graphic tablet, or my backup... and so on.
It's not that I don't want a more efficient port. It's that I want the liberty to choose which to use.
Having just one port seems to me really uncomfortable.
I know that, and that's what Apple has always did with a lot of standards.
Just to quote the last one, when they get rid of the DVD reader with the MacBook Air, and then with the Pro.
Right now, I believe a lot of people do not use anymore DVD or CD. But that was a device really bulky and heavy, that was seriously taking a lot space. And with just two uses.
The ports are a completely different game.
For what I see, the only one here nervous is Oppenheim.
As long as we smoothly talk about our predictions on the MBP, I really see no problems.
For me this would mean need an adaptor. Right now, to have only the USB-C force me to have something to carry around for my ever needs.
Plug-in a USB flash, or the receiver of my mouse, or my smartphone charger, or my graphic tablet, or my backup... and so on.
It's not that I don't want a more efficient port. It's that I want the liberty to choose which to use.
Having just one port seems to me really uncomfortable.
I know that, and that's what Apple has always did with a lot of standards.
Just to quote the last one, when they get rid of the DVD reader with the MacBook Air, and then with the Pro.
Right now, I believe a lot of people do not use anymore DVD or CD. But that was a device really bulky and heavy, that was seriously taking a lot space. And with just two uses.
The ports are a completely different game.
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Quick question regarding the Skylake chips compared to the current Haswell chips.
Is the biggest advantage likely to be battery life? I'm just weighing up whether to go for a rMBP now or wait but if I'm spec'ing the 13" with an i7 3.1ghz processor, am I likely to be kicking myself if they bring out a new chip that wipes the floor with the previous model?
Is the biggest advantage likely to be battery life? I'm just weighing up whether to go for a rMBP now or wait but if I'm spec'ing the 13" with an i7 3.1ghz processor, am I likely to be kicking myself if they bring out a new chip that wipes the floor with the previous model?
Battery life, efficiency and graphic power, but specifically graphic power would see better improvement in the 15" CPU. Also, the 13" CPU is Broadwell, not Haswell, so a little bit closer to Skylake than the 15".
But I don't know what computer are you using right now, and by that depends how much the new chip will be better compared to your current one.
So... The 3.5mm headphone port...
Ok, so the rumor which started all of this discussion was one which simply said Apple was looking to use the Lightning port on new iPhones for audio.
Then people INFERRED that that meant Apple was removing the 3.5mm port on the iPhone 7. This is debatable, despite being copied by every blog/rumor mill on the web. Just because someone can press copy and paste doesn't make something true.
But how in the world does that rumor translate to the MBP? Nobody is suggesting they're going to remove all audio-out via cable on the MBP, right? So...
Unless you believe Apple is adding a Lightning port to th MBP, the suggestion that Apple would remove the 3.5mm jack is just ridiculous.
So let's stop feeding this notion, ok?
Ok, so the rumor which started all of this discussion was one which simply said Apple was looking to use the Lightning port on new iPhones for audio.
Then people INFERRED that that meant Apple was removing the 3.5mm port on the iPhone 7. This is debatable, despite being copied by every blog/rumor mill on the web. Just because someone can press copy and paste doesn't make something true.
But how in the world does that rumor translate to the MBP? Nobody is suggesting they're going to remove all audio-out via cable on the MBP, right? So...
Unless you believe Apple is adding a Lightning port to th MBP, the suggestion that Apple would remove the 3.5mm jack is just ridiculous.
So let's stop feeding this notion, ok?
Agreed, we need to know what you're using to tell you if you'll get significant benefits from Skylake.
Also, the current hypothesis is that it'll be a redesign, not just a processor update - so there may be several other factors to take into account. For instance, the type and number of ports (that we've all been haggling about in recent pages), potential colour options, screen size and resolution, keyboard mechanism type, physical dimensions, etc.
Sometimes I wonder how many rumors on the web start right here, from this thread.
And if really some Apple employees lurk here and take fun of our wait and take note of our suggestions/wishes.
Ehy Apple employees, if you're there, knock once!
And if really some Apple employees lurk here and take fun of our wait and take note of our suggestions/wishes.
Ehy Apple employees, if you're there, knock once!
Woah woah woah. Way too much common sense in one post. You need to cut that out, mate.
Aah thanks, I'll be honest I'm bit baffled by all the 'wells out there at the moment! haha
I'm currently using a MacBook Air which I upgraded to an i7. I can't recall exactly when I got it now (don't have it to hand) to see which version it is that I have. Although performance wise for what I use it for, it still flies.
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The simple fact is that Apple just released a new iPhone and iPad that both include USB-A cables. It's unfathomable they release a laptop just two months later that doesn't let you use them. They'd likely have a stop gap where they offer both ports and eventually (maybe 2-3 years, or the next re-design) they remove the USB-A port.
With that said, I'd be ok if they did did away with the A port at WWDC. As long as we still get the top end quad i7 skylake w/ 580 (and at least a couple TB3 ports) I couldn't care less what the design is.
I agree about the difference in bulkiness. But consider when you want to share an accessory or charger with a friend, colleague or stranger who has a MB12 or ultraportable that only uses USB-C! Yes, the switch to USB-C will be somewhat painful for everyone, very painful for some, but in the long run, USB-C for about everything will be awesome -- a time without thinking about port compatibility or adapters!
USB-C does not resolve this issue:
Every HD monitor and television, wherever you go or wherever you happen to be working, has an HDMI connector. Fewer than 1% have USB-C. This will continue to be the case. A "Pro" laptop should not be difficult to connect to displays.
To be fair, I can easily see Apple's point of view on this being as follows:
We believe everything will use the USB-C connector in the future. We'll implement the most up-to-date interface, and provide an adaptor that allows you to connect your old, dusty HDMI2/USB-A/etc. equipment to your shiny Pro laptop. Plus, it's almost guaranteed that within 3-5 years, this will become an edge-case, rather than the prevailing majority.
Problem solved.
Personally, I don't have a single piece of USB-C equipment, but i'm fine with USB-C already, because in my mind i'll just use an adaptor (or Apple-made USB hub or whatever) to connect my stuff to my laptop. No biggie.
What are thoooosee??!
I like the sketch. Although i HIGHLY doubt apple will make the keyboard like that. It's an eyesore + if they just kept it where the current keyboard is, they could make a much larger trackpad.
I've personally never been a great fan of the slanted design but if they make the new rMBP's powerful enough not to make Ableton crash, I can't be mad.
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Apple already sells an $80 adapter hub for the rMB. If you read the reviews, you'll see that it barely works. USB hard drives that require power won't work. As soon as the MacBook is unplugged, any USB devices stop charging. And worst of all, HDMI doesn't work properly for many people because it can only push 1080p at 30Hz. What?? Even worse, OS X is so locked down that it often won't accept anything other than the default resolution of attached monitors, which -- if it's 60hz, means HDMI won't work at all.
That cannot happen in a Pro laptop.
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