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they could do nothing and don't plant any of their solar plants around the world and keep their money
they could not release apple watch and health kit
they could not care about packing millions of their products in small packages
they could make their products with not so environment friendly materials

yes its much easy to say x care only but profits..but who don't? when you are making your company is one of the main reason to do so from the begining. but when you are on top of the world and reach 1st place, you start to care about health and the world

Incorrect, greed and especially corporate greed knows no bounds. There is a reason the wealthy are not satisfied with what they have, they must have more, it is one of the reasons they are so wealthy in the first place, again this is a general principle and there are some exceptions in individual cases, but corporations as an entity are not an exception to this rule, they are by definition built upon it.

As for those examples you mentioned, they help drive profits, it is about building more brand loyalty = increased profits, the public increasingly so is more health conscious and also more conscious about the environment, so corporations have to respond mostly on a superficial basis, and it works. The reason why companies like Apple weren't so pro environment before was not because they had less money, it was because the public wasn't as concerned about these things.

If you think wealthy corporations make a certain amount of money and then magically at a certain point decide to give back out of the goodness of their hearts (which doesn't exist), you are incredibly naive, if these initiatives did not increase profits or the potential for them they wouldn't touch them, and if they really had a moral conscience they wouldn't evade billions in taxes, nor would they exploit poor working people.
 
thats why Apple is so different from people who cares only by themselves. i love apple is a TECH company who really cares about health and environment. But yeah for you , products products products, fk the nature and the world

Oh thank you very much for knowing my life, what I do and what I care about just by reading and misunderstanding short posts I made on the Internet.
Any more wisdom you want to share with us?
 
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Make no mistake, Apple wants to make money. But they also very clearly care about being environmentally friendly, among other things. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Make no mistake the second part you've mentioned is the direct consequence of the first part, not a standalone effort. It's a business plan, not a good-samaritan move.
 
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2016-nmp.1952250/page-61#post-22781008
Check out the links in quote and in the answer to my quote, and read also this: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38155022&postcount=37 If you want to know how will Polaris behave.
Edit. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38155015&postcount=1310 Also this. It may be my first impression about gaming performance of Polaris be not exactly correct. Those GPUs may be faster...

Interesting times are coming, I have to say.
 
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Make no mistake the second part you've mentioned is the direct consequence of the first part, not a standalone effort. It's a business plan, not a good-samaritan move.
I'm sure CM knows that.
You never go into business to not make a profit.... you wouldn't stay in business very long.
Take this sustainability/green design movement for example (I am in the design/construction industry).
Yeah, sure, the companies are helping out the planet and leaving less of a carbon footprint (ugh I grow weary of that term), but they would not be dropping the money on that serious upfront cost if it was not partly for the recognition/marketing benefits and the eventual pay off and life cycle costs of having an environmentally sensitive building.
Also, by being recognized for "our product is completely developed from recycled tech," they gain the business of individuals who are very much plugged into this green movement.

but you know what? I am ok with their greed, it's what brings business and keeps them developing better products (albeit and sadly small incremental updates at times :( ) for us to blow our money on that has been burning a seriously nasty hole in our pockets.

Also, don't ever point out that these big companies are just big and evil and full of greed unless you are sure you do not possess similar modus operandi. Who does anything without expecting some kind of payment from it? Even if it is merely the joy and satisfaction that you helped someone that day (which is a good thing :) )
 
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Yes red campain is a greedy one
And i bet they help doctors a lot more than patients himselfs. Apple watch already saves people lifes. And it is just the beginning!

Macbook pro will never be a healthy device
 
Make no mistake, Apple wants to make money. But they also very clearly care about being environmentally friendly, among other things. They aren't mutually exclusive.

If there was no way to be profitable AND to care about the environment, then Apple would not take the environmentally friendly steps they have taken. Profit first. You should sit in on a corporate meeting where they discuss the impacts of "being green" with a report prepared by a guy who has never taken a walk in nature outlining the costs and publicity impacts of not being green. Clue phone.
 
To avoid opening myself to too much flak, I would like to clarify my final point. I am sure there are some bad companies out there (none have come to mind, yet. Give me time). If you feel that way about a business for any reason, don't patronize said business. Share your thoughts with others (don't be surprised by their disbelief, though) and you could eventually put them out of business.
The economy has the wonderful ability to clean itself up when allowed to function on its own.
 
There is time.... but we must be persistent and not lose heart!
All we really need are several more posts arguing over:
a) thinness
b) igpu vs dgpu
c) ports
d) eh... how much alcohol Wrong needs between now and then?

It's really sad thinking that those were the only topics discussed in this thread in almost 400 pages.
Oh, and add the "so when is going to be released?" and "which CPU will they use?".

Please, Apple, Mark, Ming. Give us some reliable rumors.
Just a little bit.

or offer me more alcohol, that's the same.
 
I'm sure CM knows that.
but you know what? I am ok with their greed, it's what brings business and keeps them developing better products (albeit and sadly small incremental updates at times :( ) for us to blow our money on that has been burning a seriously nasty hole in our pockets.

Also, don't ever point out that these big companies are just big and evil and full of greed unless you are sure you do not possess similar modus operandi. Who does anything without expecting some kind of payment from it? Even if it is merely the joy and satisfaction that you helped someone that day (which is a good thing :) )

It is true that within us lies an inherent inclination towards the pursuit of self interest and greed, but it is also true that human beings are also inclined towards good, concern for others and solidarity. The problem with the way modern corporations function, or the business environment in general, is that it institutionalizes greed as a virtue above all else, so it promotes these negative tendencies within us at the expense of suppressing our good nature. Yes we do get a few cool gadgets out of all this, but in a more civilized society our priorities would be a tad different. This is why you will notice that people behave quite differently in Wall St as opposed to other institutions such as schools, or universities. There are countless people who are willing to do things without payment, from the tech point of view, just look at the open source movement, countless resourceful talented individuals working on projects for fun and willing to help each other out.
 
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It is true that within us lies an inherent inclination towards the pursuit of self interest and greed, but it is also true that human beings are also inclined towards good, concern for others and solidarity. The problem with the way modern corporations function, or the business environment in general, is that it institutionalizes greed as a virtue above all else, so it promotes these negative tendencies within us at the expense of suppressing our good nature. Yes we do get a few cool gadgets out of all this, but in a more civilized society our priorities would be a tad different. This is why you will notice that people behave quite differently in Wall St as opposed to other institutions such as schools, or universities. There are countless people who are willing to do things without payment, from the tech point of view, just look at the open source movement, countless resourceful talented individuals working on projects for fun and willing to help each other out.
I know, man. I think the open source movement is awesome. I am sure most startups start out with the inclination to do good only for good's sake and make a little profit ;).
Ultimately, when you reach the point of a big CEO, don't forget your roots and why you first entered the business (hopefully for good reasons). For now, just be the change you want to see in the business world. ***cliche*** :D
 
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To avoid opening myself to too much flak, I would like to clarify my final point. I am sure there are some bad companies out there (none have come to mind, yet. Give me time). If you feel that way about a business for any reason, don't patronize said business. Share your thoughts with others (don't be surprised by their disbelief, though) and you could eventually put them out of business.
The economy has the wonderful ability to clean itself up when allowed to function on its own.
It seems you can't see through the charade. There are no good or bad companies (especially big and/or transnational). There are companies with successful and unsuccessful PR.
This is the problem here. Zombies who associate themselves with "Don't be evil" Google or "environment friendly" Apple. This whole selling lifestyle vs instrument ********.
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Also, don't ever point out that these big companies are just big and evil and full of greed unless you are sure you do not possess similar modus operandi. Who does anything without expecting some kind of payment from it? Even if it is merely the joy and satisfaction that you helped someone that day (which is a good thing :) )
It depends. If you posted this "joy and satisfaction" "reason" to Instagram or not.
 
I know, man. I think the open source movement is awesome. I am sure most startups start out with the inclination to do good only for good's sake and make a little profit ;).
Ultimately, when you reach the point of a big CEO, don't forget your roots and why you first entered the business (hopefully for good reasons). For now, just be the change you want to see in the business world. ***cliche*** :D

Yes sir, unfortunately we cannot blame the CEOs or expect them to act differently, they are simply doing their job, they might very well be really nice people, but in their institutional roles they have to maximize profit above all else, if they do not do this then they are booted our and replaced by someone else who will.

Hopefully the human race can figure out better ways of conducting our affairs, as we have before.

Having said all this, I myself am quite excited about the mbp coming up.
 
There are countless people who are willing to do things without payment, from the tech point of view, just look at the open source movement, countless resourceful talented individuals working on projects for fun and willing to help each other out.

A lot of those people are doing it to improve their resume and/or to develop personal relationships with important people in the software world. One of the most commonly given advice on how to improve your career in software is to contribute to open source.

There is a certain kind of notoriety/celebrity involved with being a known contributor to a big open source project, that leads to monetary gain.

It's still admirable to contribute to open source software, but it's not entirely altruistic.
 
If you feel that way about a business for any reason, don't patronize said business. Share your thoughts with others (don't be surprised by their disbelief, though) and you could eventually put them out of business.
The economy has the wonderful ability to clean itself up when allowed to function on its own.
I know, man. I think the open source movement is awesome. I am sure most startups start out with the inclination to do good only for good's sake and make a little profit ;).
Ultimately, when you reach the point of a big CEO, don't forget your roots and why you first entered the business (hopefully for good reasons). For now, just be the change you want to see in the business world. ***cliche*** :D
Do you happen to prefer to be healthy and rich rather than ill and poor?
 
I have a feeling of apprehension as much as anything about new MBP models. After last years one port Macbook and rumours of Apple ditching the headphone jack from the iPhone in order to make it thinner I can't help wondering how compromised the new machines might be.

Hope i'm wrong.
 
Do you happen to prefer to be healthy and rich rather than ill and poor?
rhetorical question?

Alright brethren and sisteren, I fear I almost derided this forum there for a bit. Please forgive me and may the mods have mercy on my soul. (This is why I am better kept to lurking instead of posting ;))

What are we waiting for? SKYLAKE MACBOOK (PROS.... hopefully that will still be a product line)
 
A lot of those people are doing it to improve their resume and/or to develop personal relationships with important people in the software world. One of the most commonly given advice on how to improve your career in software is to contribute to open source.

There is a certain kind of notoriety/celebrity involved with being a known contributor to a big open source project, that leads to monetary gain.

It's still admirable to contribute to open source software, but it's not entirely altruistic.

This is true but I would think it is a recent phenomenon, and I didn't really mean it is all altruistic, just that you get to witness a lot of healthy collaboration and creativity where money/competition are not the primary motivators, which a lot of people seem to consider prerequisites for success.
 
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