Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[craigyy]

If apple only put usb-c into their rmb which is aimed at the mass market. I don't think there is much hope for their pro line to keep standard usb.
The average Joe who wants a nice looking laptop and goes out and buys a rmb in pink or gold may not even know what usb c is and when compared to a mbp user is probably much less likely to even know he can't just plug in his phone/external drive.

 

[Uni Grad]

You've forgotten that Apple defines the resolution needed for a "Retina" screen dependent on the device and how far away from your face you use it. The rMBP doesn't need to match the iPP PPI, as you won't hold it as close to your face. See a pattern here?

- iPhone 6s plus = 401 PPI
- iPad Mini = 324 PPI
- iPad Pro = 264 PPI
- Macbook Pro Retina = 227 PPI
- iMac 5k = 218 PPI

True.
However as Apple enabled 4K and 5K capabilities on the iMacs. I see this as a possibilty. Anyways with the rumored size change...the number of pixels will increase anyway...perhaps ppi will remain the same though. I just dont see Apple offering 227 ppi in 2020.

Anyways Apple has a history of backtracking from their claims...e.g. OLED Screens, Larger sized phones, Styluses.
They might just call it Retina Display 2.0 lol

 

[WRONG]

Yes. It would ruin the design.

It's also pointless, because USB-C is compatible with USB-A.

Maybe by software, but not physically.

And you don't convinced me about how it would ruin the design.
4 mm thickness is really a disaster?

Interesting! This has not been brought up a gazillion times in this thread already

Don't be rude I understand why new users ask for over-asked questions in a thread of 410 pages...
Also, if I had to make a percentage of the contents in this thread, that would be:

- 30% users that ask "When is the MBP coming?"
- 30% users that ask "What CPU will it use?"
- 10% users that ask "What about Kaby Lake?"
- 6% memes
- 5% Oppenheim praising a MBP without ports
- 5% debate about dGPU / iGPU
- 4% me getting drunk
- 3% live commentary of the March Event
- 1% legit rumors

and the remaining 6% unimportant posts.

 

[manni]

1/10

That is the least convincing, long-winded argument for tacking on a legacy USB port (and ruining the design) I have read on this entire thread.

Is buying a USB-C to USB-legacy connector/cable too much to ask of you?

Oh, and I see the "tradition" argument rearing its illogical head again. Why do you think Apple cares about your weird, low performance workflow and your external hard drive over USB-2 (presumably you have 4TB over USB-2... Lol)? Apple MBP is for pros, not people who seek to keep doing things they way they were doing them 10 years ago because that's the way they've always done things.

You really have a lot of anger. I hope your life improves soon. In the meantime hundreds of millions of people that Apple wants to sell computers to are using USB3 devices - 99% of people never would need more than a regular external HDD but you're obviously unaware one can run a good RAID enclosure through it - while virtually nobody has USB-C devices. It's annoying, I want to move to TB3 but the mass market just won't shift because you click your fingers.

You might not like that. It clearly makes you angry and prompts you to rant and rave online but those are the facts. I'm very sorry to have intruded on your safe space.

 

[Uni Grad]

Such an exciting time to be in, to see this transition in computer peripherals and ports. I was too young to care when the CD replaced the floppy, or the Cd being replaced by USB. However seeing this transition from USB A to USB C is exciting. Apple, Google are the driving forces behind this change.

 

[Ovedius]

Also, if I had to make a percentage of the contents in this thread, that would be:

- 30% users that ask "When is the MBP coming?"
- 30% users that ask "What CPU will it use?"
- 10% users that ask "What about Kaby Lake?"
- 6% memes
- 5% Oppenheim praising a MBP without ports
- 5% debate about dGPU / iGPU
- 4% me getting drunk
- 3% live commentary of the March Event
- 1% legit rumors

and the remaining 6% unimportant posts.

I take pride in knowing that I live in the 12% shared between memes and unimportant posts
-I assume get-off-my-lawn rants make up at least 30% of the 6% unimportant posts.

 

[Steve121178]

Such an exciting time to be in, to see this transition in computer peripherals and ports. I was too young to care when the CD replaced the floppy, or the Cd being replaced by USB. However seeing this transition from USB A to USB C is exciting. Apple, Google are the driving forces behind this change.

Exciting? You need to get out more.

 

[dooyou]

Daily News about the next watch or iPhone 7. Seems that no one cares about the next rMBP.

 

[2457248]

You've forgotten that Apple defines the resolution needed for a "Retina" screen dependent on the device and how far away from your face you use it. The rMBP doesn't need to match the iPP PPI, as you won't hold it as close to your face. See a pattern here?

- iPhone 6s plus = 401 PPI
- iPad Mini = 324 PPI
- iPad Pro = 264 PPI
- Macbook Pro Retina = 227 PPI
- iMac 5k = 218 PPI

now add the non-plus 6s to the picture and your whole argument falls apart.
i'm grumpy today, need more cat pics.

 

[Oppenheim]

You really have a lot of anger. I hope your life improves soon. In the meantime hundreds of millions of people that Apple wants to sell computers to are using USB3 devices - 99% of people never would need more than a regular external HDD but you're obviously unaware one can run a good RAID enclosure through it - while virtually nobody has USB-C devices. It's annoying, I want to move to TB3 but the mass market just won't shift because you click your fingers.

You might not like that. It clearly makes you angry and prompts you to rant and rave online but those are the facts. I'm very sorry to have intruded on your safe space.

Wow. Just wow.

Safe space?

Btw, I am writing this on a USB-C device.

 

[Uni Grad]

now add the non-plus 6s to the picture and your whole argument falls apart.
i'm grumpy today, need more cat pics.

True! The 6s and 6s Plus both would be viewed at the relatively same viewing distances. 326 ppi vs 401 ppi? Doesnt match at all. Apple just spews nonsense at times. *sigh*

 

[WRONG]

i'm grumpy today, need more cat pics.

No need to ask my friend

 

[keviig]

now add the non-plus 6s to the picture and your whole argument falls apart.
i'm grumpy today, need more cat pics.

Actually the iPhone 6s non plus has a PPI of 326. Above the rest of the non-phone devices and well in line with my argument. Surely Apple could've given the 6s plus the same PPI of 326, but decided to go with 1080p instead, making it the "odd ball" of the bunch PPI wise.

Besides, my point wasn't that this is a strict rule Apple follows 100%. But rather that the PPI necessary is dependent on how far away your average user views the display from. Hence Desktop -> Laptop -> Tablet -> Phone, hence when it comes to distance and PPI.

 

[manni]

Wow. Just wow.

Safe space?

Btw, I am writing this on a USB-C device.

You didn't address any issue just launched a passive-aggressive attack on me so don't be surprised when someone points out if you're behaving needlessly confrontational online. Everything I wrote was fact and you come back sneering about my work flow being "weird" and apparently laughing at me because you guess (incorrectly as it happens) that I use the standards that 99.5% of Apples customers use (that is regular USB, I went over to TB with the nMP). If you try to mock someone online who didn't attack you and in fact you guess wrong about things, don't be shocked by the egg on your face.

And so what? I'm very pleased for you that you already got a USB-C device. 99.999% of people haven't. Comparatively few will do so this year, especially as the two best smartphones aren't using it and especially in Apple world, the newly released iMac doesn't have it and the current MacBook Pro doesn't have it.

It's annoying, I want it as soon as possible and will pay the money. But most people don't work like that and upgrade cycles are slowing down for computers and phones. I do hope I am wrong - if Apple would just go all in for USB-C it would help enormously. However they didn't even put one USB-C port on the new iMac. Apple has made it absolutely crystal clear in the last 3 years that they are going for high end consumers and not professionals and most consumers would be annoyed if they can't plug in any of the devices they have bought or indeed are likely to buy this coming year.

 

[Uni Grad]

Actually the iPhone 6s non plus has a PPI of 326. Above the rest of the non-phone devices and well in line with my argument. Surely Apple could've given the 6s plus the same PPI of 326, but decided to go with 1080p instead, making it the "odd ball" of the bunch PPI wise.

401 ppi vs 326 ppi is a great difference. I dont think Apple really has fixed guidelines. I feel they just make things up as they go on.

 

[keviig]

401 ppi vs 326 ppi is a great difference. I dont think Apple really has fixed guidelines. I feel they just make things up as they go on.

Yeah Apple can be a bit hard to read at times. But i think my point stands, phones and tablets will, and should have a greater PPI than laptops, due to them being closer to your eyes.

 

[craigyy]

I don't know if people missed my earlier post but I'll ask again. If apples everyday computer the rmb can survive with just usb-c. Why is the pro device going to be any different? If anything pro users are more aware or usb-c than the average rmb user.

 

[Serban]

I don't know if people missed my earlier post but I'll ask again. If apples everyday computer the rmb can survive with just usb-c. Why is the pro device going to be any different? If anything pro users are more aware or usb-c than the average rmb user.

True but being a bigger form they can easily put one usb-c thunderbolt 3 port on each side if they put the logic board in the middle top

 

[Dead0k]

at the moment we have 2 USB-A + 2 TB-2 = 4 ports (in MBP15)
There have to be at least 3 USB-C (and at least 1 of them will be TB-3) in MBP15. 4 ports will sound like utopia....because USB-Cs cost a lot . Size of body will be decreased by 3-3,5 mm.

PS: there were two news quoted by me 20+ pages back about new hinges and something else.

PS2: i think we have to wait a bit for new betas of OSX. Previously developers had found mentions of RMB12 exactly there.

 

[Serban]

at the moment we have 2 USB-A + 2 TB-2 = 4 ports (in MBP15)
There have to be at least 3 USB-C (and at least 1 of them will be TB-3) in MBP15. 4 ports will sound like utopia....because USB-Cs cost a lot . Size of body will be decreased by 3-3,5 mm.

PS: there were two news quoted by me 20+ pages back about new hinges and something else.

PS2: i think we have to wait a bit for new betas of OSX. Previously developers had found mentions of RMB12 exactly there.

why not all of them to be usb-c thunderbolt 3? i think this will be the case

 

[ssong]

I don't know if people missed my earlier post but I'll ask again. If apples everyday computer the rmb can survive with just usb-c. Why is the pro device going to be any different? If anything pro users are more aware or usb-c than the average rmb user.

Hehe I'll take a crack at this...

rMB - good for most everyday users, not all, but good enough for most. Given that a lot of everyday users use a form of cloud storage for backups and use airdrop and such for file transfers between devices, a single post is more than sufficient. I'd say it's a device that's aimed more at the education market as well as some business users. Backwards compatibility isn't particularly necessary as these individuals operate as independent individuals who can make peripheral choices fairly freely.

rMBP - a product obviously intended to pack more power and aimed at the 'pro' market. Individuals in this category would have less freedom about which peripherals they use and have a set of peripherals crucial to their workflow that are already in place, this goes beyond input devices to include more specialised equipment. Obviously Apple could simply suggest that users get adapters, but for a market that is more likely to take a cold hard look at the bottom line, it would be a suicidal business decision to offer a product that doesn't offer some sort of innate backwards compatibility at a time when the technology shift is only beginning to happen. With MS and others offering some interesting alternatives, all the effort apple put into bringing its devices to the enterprise market could go down the drain if they went with a minimal and futuristic port option. I know people will compare this to the audio jack or floppy to cd or cd to use thing. But it's different, the above mentioned shifts happened to replace a single feature, a shift in this magnitude would be replacing far too many features for Apple to manage. So I think this iteration of the rMBP will house both usb-c and usb3, in two or three years we may see a further refresh that drops the legacy features.

And on a side note @Oppenheim are you Jonny Ive by any chance?

 

[Oppenheim]

Maybe by software, but not physically.

And you don't convinced me about how it would ruin the design.
4 mm thickness is really a disaster?



Don't be rude I understand why new users ask for over-asked questions in a thread of 410 pages...
Also, if I had to make a percentage of the contents in this thread, that would be:

- 30% users that ask "When is the MBP coming?"
- 30% users that ask "What CPU will it use?"
- 10% users that ask "What about Kaby Lake?"
- 6% memes
- 5% Oppenheim praising a MBP without ports
- 5% debate about dGPU / iGPU
- 4% me getting drunk
- 3% live commentary of the March Event
- 1% legit rumors

and the remaining 6% unimportant posts.

MBP without ports? That's a lie. Please stop it.

USB-C is a far superior connector. Have you ever tried one?

Yes, a legacy USB would destroy the desgin. Not just because of its thickness, but for numerous other reasons which should be obvious to you.

Legacy USB is in the retirement home and will be kicking the bucket soon.

 

[knassar]

- 4% me getting drunk

You're not giving yourself enough credit there

 

[Dutchdude99]

Personally I don´t really mind USB-C becoming the only port. I do use Type A, so it would be easier to just have a MBP with a A port. However, I don't really mind switching now, it'll happen eventually and I'm already a big cloud user anyway, I only connect my phone every once in a while, and the newest ones already have USB C, so that isn't really a problem.

 

[cmChimera]

I'm guessing 3 USB-c slots. 2 on the left and one on the right. The two on the left will have TB3.