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I think Apple finished the new MBP's a long time ago, they're just struggling to figure out how it is "thinner and more powerful than any other laptop in the universe" (laptops that already is using skylake, got thinner bezels etc.) for their Keynote.
 
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Maybe you could tell the teacher that you got "offended"? Grow a pair. Seriously.

It's annoying, I want it as soon as possible and will pay the money. But most people don't work like that and upgrade cycles are slowing down for computers and phones. I do hope I am wrong - if Apple would just go all in for USB-C it would help enormously. However they didn't even put one USB-C port on the new iMac. Apple has made it absolutely crystal clear in the last 3 years that they are going for high end consumers and not professionals and most consumers would be annoyed if they can't plug in any of the devices they have bought or indeed are likely to buy this coming year.

Yes, because professionals can only write multi-million dollar apps on IBM workstations.

Some of the most innovative websites in the world are written on 5k display iMacs. Don't be acting all surprised if a lot of them are coded up or designed on MBPs. Most professionals I know are mobile creatures. They can't be constrained to just one location where their 5k Mac is tied up in.
 
So what are some great apps/programs to install on my new Skylake rMBP 15" ;) this will be my first Apple laptop.
 
Yes, because professionals can only write multi-million dollar apps on IBM workstations.

Well I think two things here.

Apple is paying attention to the enterprise market to try and move them from the traditional monopoly of Win PCs and its worked to a certain extent as many companies now offer more choice with devices and such. But it still doesn't negate the fact that other peripherals associated with the company use usb-a, so offering backwards compatibility is crucial. If they were to make people buy adapters, they will surely lose potential customers and even longtime customers (although some would then buy the current model at a discount price). The moment a person's workflow is complicated by adding an extra step, no matter how tedious, it starts being a minus feature, and potentially turning away their interest.

On a different note though, the design industry is something Apple could look to woo by offering a minimalist design with only usb-c ports, but also announcing a new TB3 display with dGPU and legacy port support. (I'd say for me that is like three birds with one stone: the Apple version of Razer Core, an upgrade to the TB display, and essentially offering a dock for ultra portable rMBP 15s, a triple win imo)

So I mean there are a lot of things Apple could do, but at the end of the day its a business decision and not a technical decision, nor a design decision, in terms of backwards compatibility. If Apple are confident that they will maintain their market share with just usb-c ports then they'll do that.
 
Maybe you could tell the teacher that you got "offended"? Grow a pair. Seriously.



Yes, because professionals can only write multi-million dollar apps on IBM workstations.

Some of the most innovative websites in the world are written on 5k display iMacs. Don't be acting all surprised if a lot of them are coded up or designed on MBPs. Most professionals I know are mobile creatures. They can't be constrained to just one location where their 5k Mac is tied up in.



Anyone worried about mobility and flexibility will be very unlikely to not want a standard USB port though. As a photographer who has worked on some big projects with a team of other guys it would be a real issue to not be able to use the standard peripherals that everyone else uses. I could sit there of course and explain the technical benefits of USB-C... while I can't complete the job but the man with standard USB can. It would be an odd position and I think risky for Apple.

Funnily enough though I hope you're right and the whole world moves in the next two months to USB-C and Apple reverses the course they adopted with the new iMac and goes the other way with the MBP - it would be great for me as a photographer. But people like you were making the same predictions before and were wrong on firewire and wrong on thunderbolt 1 and 2 - and I used and continue to use both. So I'm not too optimistic but let's see. As it happens I have some professional links to the world of film making and there the most telling thing is the way people mix and match anything and everything - FW800 is still found, everyone obviously uses USB3 and also TB2 sometimes is found - flexibility is key when money is on the line - your sort of sneering at and mocking of someone if they use the most common professional standard rather than showing off having the latest one is just the sort of petty mindset those in the professional world try our very best to avoid - it would be an attitude than ensured I wouldn't hire someone. And you're wrong if you think no professionals are using the latest iMac even if it's not really aimed at professionals as such - photographers absolutely love it and sadly it has no USB-C port - it will likely be a while before any iMac has one. It's a shame really, USB-C will come but I think will take another year or two to get any sort of mass market traction especially as Apple and Samsung both haven't yet made any big moves there. In the meantime, I hope you find find some happiness, really life is too short for arguments online, have fun.
 
As a photographer who has worked on some big projects with a team of other guys it would be a real issue to not be able to use the standard peripherals that everyone else uses.

jeasus.. there are dongles USBC - USB 3.1 for max 10 USD per unit already on a market.
 
jeasus.. there are dongles USBC - USB 3.1 for max 10 USD per unit already on a market.

Yeah but wouldn't it be ironic for a company that claims to make products that 'just work', require its customers to buy further adapters to continue their daily workflow?

I get that rMB is intended as a mass market device where such specific requirements are rare and if one needs it they can use a dongle. But a rMBP is intended as a pro device so one would expect that making their lives cumbersome by adding 'one more thing' to carry around is bad for business.
 
Yeah but wouldn't it be ironic for a company that claims to make products that 'just work', require its customers to buy further adapters to continue their daily workflow?

Eh no, Apple is making it easier for you but you refuse to acknowledge it.
 
Well the first thing i had to buy for my 2013 retina macbook was a thunderbolt to gig-e adapter. :) So having to buy an adapter is nothing new in the Apple world.

Ironically, this is still the only thunderbolt device i own.
 
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Eh no, Apple is making it easier for you but you refuse to acknowledge it.
But tell me what you think of this.

Let's say individual A lives in A-Land where everyone speaks the language A, life is easy you understand everyone and everything works for the most part with minimal friction, apart from the usual personality differences and whatnot.

One day the person A decides that language C is a much more efficient way of communication and chooses to speak only that, and purposely erases language A from their brain. The person manages to find a couple of people that agree and they have a small group that speak language B, while the rest of the country still speaks A. Ofcourse they have the option of using a translator but as anyone who used a translator app in real life could testify, they don't work like the ads, and are quite cumbersome.

So... please kindly explain why purposely erasing language A (or USB-A support) is better than having both, in pure functional terms. Design wise I agree a USB-C only design would give Apple more freedom to do as they wish. But in pure practical terms, how is that meant to make my life easier?

USB-C is a better protocol sure, but it's yet too premature to make a complete jump because the peripherals aren't widely available yet.

The decision to drop the optical disk drive was almost too slow given that at the time of the shift, there were more than enough digital downloads and streaming services available. Which isn't the case with USB-C atm. It will happen for sure, but will take a few more years
 
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yes when you need an adapter you use it, but the time you dont need it, at least you have a nice slim compact design
 
Yeah but wouldn't it be ironic for a company that claims to make products that 'just work', require its customers to buy further adapters to continue their daily workflow?

you treat their slogan in a wrong way.

Somehow with dongles we will skip the transition period. You have to be young to remember transitions from CDs, floppy disks, etc. It will be fast enough...trust me
 
you treat their slogan in a wrong way.

Somehow with dongles we will skip the transition period. You have to be young to remember transitions from CDs, floppy disks, etc. It will be fast enough...trust me

Well I hope you're right, I'm all for the latest and given that I personally don't use too many USB-A peripherals (apart from a gaming mouse and external drives) it wouldn't be too much of an issue for me and, admittedly, I'm a sucker for nice aesthetics too. So the slim usb-c rMBP sounds quite good to me with the rMB keyboard.

I simply wished to balance the argument that it's understandable why some may need it. I think a first-party eGPU dock might be an option as well though, as that would be geared specifically for the pro market who would want the extra power as well as ports.
 
But tell me what you think of this.

Let's say individual A lives in A-Land where everyone speaks the language A, life is easy you understand everyone and everything works for the most part with minimal friction, apart from the usual personality differences and whatnot.

One day the person A decides that language C is a much more efficient way of communication and chooses to speak only that, and purposely erases language A from their brain. The person manages to find a couple of people that agree and they have a small group that speak language B, while the rest of the country still speaks A. Ofcourse they have the option of using a translator but as anyone who used a translator app in real life could testify, they don't work like the ads, and are quite cumbersome.

So... please kindly explain why purposely erasing language A (or USB-A support) is better than having both, in pure functional terms. Design wise I agree a USB-C only design would give Apple more freedom to do as they wish. But in pure practical terms, how is that meant to make my life easier?

USB-C is a better protocol sure, but it's yet too premature to make a complete jump because the peripherals aren't widely available yet.

The decision to drop the optical disk drive was almost too slow given that at the time of the shift, there were more than enough digital downloads and streaming services available. Which isn't the case with USB-C atm. It will happen for sure, but will take a few more years

In other words, a tradition argument. Not a reason on its own to keep inferior things around. Especially in the tech sector.

And btw, USB-C is an evolution of legacy USB. It also incorporates Thunderbolt and gives features such as high power, reversibility, good tactile feel and amazing bandwidth. Only a Luddite like yourself would insist on a legacy USB port on the new MBP, a design which has to last until 2020.
 
FYI, MBPs are used to design apps. Not consume them. Regarding OSX apps, I have very few installed. XCode is one.
This has got to be a joke.....
So what are some great apps/programs to install on my new Skylake rMBP 15" ;) this will be my first Apple laptop.
I'm sure that people will give you a better list than mine, but (Not all are user experience apps):

VLC
DaisyDisk
BetterTouchTool
Deliveries
Microsoft Office Suite
Pixelmator
Mobile Mouse Server (requires companion iOS app)
Private Internet Access
Skitch
1Password
Dropbox
Transmission
Wunderlist
Handbrake
 
Nice list. Some I'm using not on your list.

Lightroom
GIMP
Microsoft OneNote
Coconut Battery
 
FCPX
Motion
Affinity Designer
Affinity Photo
XCode
Eclipse
WordWrap
Chrome (if there is a flash-website you really need to visit)
 
In other words, a tradition argument. Not a reason on its own to keep inferior things around. Especially in the tech sector.

And btw, USB-C is an evolution of legacy USB. It also incorporates Thunderbolt and gives features such as high power, reversibility, good tactile feel and amazing bandwidth. Only a Luddite like yourself would insist on a legacy USB port on the new MBP, a design which has to last until 2020.

Ok the Luddite comment aside, I agree with your assessment of usb-c and as I've said before, I'm all for latest tech my self (typing this on my iPP which is my daily driver, you can't go any more port less than that, I've sold my rMBP to fund this as it was enough for my needs at the time, but over the year I've developed new needs due to my changing circumstances and hence I'm on this thread) but it's not a question of tradition.

Tradition, as you assess, often is a roadblock for progress, as it is a set of customs and beliefs that are passed on generation from generation. It has little to do with choice or practicality but more with familiarity and comfort, or sometimes the sheer desire to preserve a way of life.

The debate surrounding backwards compatibility on the new rMBP is about business and what makes sense for Apple to do. Like many have pointed out, the rMB a consumer oriented device comes with a single usb-c and an adapted as most consumers nowadays (I'm basing it from teenagers onwards) don't use or need a usb peripheral in their daily workflow. Even at uni I don't see any necessity for a usb peripheral unless you're in a more specialised subject that requires them.

That said, the rMBP is intended for pros. And given that a lot of the 'pro' market or the enterprise market is conservative in attitude in general, and I agree that can be taken as tradition. But it's not a 'tradition argument' to say that because virtually every peripheral in a workflow uses usb-a, Apple should include innate backwards compatibility. Given the current situation of the workplaces of most target customers for the rMBP, it would be plain stupid for Apple not to offer some sort of an easy way for the peripherals to coexist. A dock is one potential solution but that partly negates the portability aspect for people who require usb-a on the go, you'd say use an adapter, but in the days of carrying a phone instead of a wallet to pay for stuff, do people really want to carry more things around?

For Apple it's a game of balancing how far the can push this, I would say that they have to offer dual support as if they don't, they're most likely to lose a lot of potential customers. It's not like the audio jack going from the iPhone 7, as the user base for the iPhone has no choice other than the iPhone if they want to use iOS, which is very different from android. In the pc market, with the recent improvements in Windows 10, an increasing number of people would consider jumping ship if push came to shove.

At the end of the day, our discussions here are just discussions and Apple will do whatever the heck they want cos they're Apple, I enjoy active discussions but name calling doesn't really have a place in a Mac forum where we're all meant to be adults :)
 
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Scrivener, Slack, Skype, Skitch, & Start Ninja. If the app starts with an "S" then just go ahead and download it :D
iStat menus is also a useless tool that's nice to have.
 
USB-C has been a nightmare on my new XPS 15. I really hope Apple leaves a TB2 or MDP port on the new MBP.
 
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