Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[shareef777]

Most customers don't know or care. They walk into the Apple store and ask for the "newest MBP." Never will a customer ask the generation of a processor. Apple knows this. If they announced new rMBPs now, months in advance, the majority of customers will stall, and Apple will lose rMBP sales until that time.

They cant risk losing sales, by announcing new rMBPs to please a minority like us.

What most people fail to realize is that the "Pro" line is also the consumer line (especially the 13"). The only product they've ever gave a heads up on was the Mac Pro, and that was more show boating then giving a **** about their customers. Cause here we are over two years later and still no update on that line either. Apple flat out thinks their brand name is enough to sell anything. Sadly, with many consumers, that's true.

 

[Sugarbear33]

impressive HP chromebook 13 that just came out. Its like $500ish dollars

 

[Exile714]

impressive HP chromebook 13 that just came out. Its like $500ish dollars

Yeah... $500 with a PENTIUM processor. Core M7 is $1029, and that's still a weak little thing.

This is the forum for the MacBookPro with Skylake. This laptop sits in an entirely different category with the MacBook.

 

[cmChimera]

impressive HP chromebook 13 that just came out. Its like $500ish dollars

Are you being serious right now?

 

[WRONG]

I am expecting iPad Bands to be announced too.

Yeah!
More bands!
C'mon Apple!
Give us more bands for God's sake!

Ok, I'm getting tired about it so I'm gonna throw my 2 cents, despite this will make some people become crazy berserkers yelling at me.

*Sigh...
Once again, the problem is not usb-c yes or no.
The problem is how this argument is debated.
As long as the discussion remain calm and respectful for others there is absolutely no problem about it.
The problem begin when anybody start saying "you don't understand, you're not a professional, you don't deserve Mac..." and so on.
We are here exactly for this: to discuss something.
The flame is the problem.

The original MBAs still had spinning drives (4200 rpm!)

Sorry, my bad.
Anyway, even the base-model iMac still have a 5400 rpm hard disk that's completely crazy!
But I think it's clear my opinion about how revolutionary was the MBA.
And how consequently the MB is not.

 

[D.T.]

Dang, bad timing, I'm in a situation where I'll need a MBP soon - as in tomorrow or the next day - for some road warrior'ing between the East/West coasts, also need to some reasonably stout GPU action (AR/VR), so it'll likely be a 15" 2.5GHz/16GB/512GB with the R9/370X (possibly a 2.8GHz, missed the last refurb that popped up on Apple.com ... BTO delivery is a little slow ...)

I mean, it's being bought for me [to personally own], so I guess I could just turn it around in 90 or so days for a different machine.

 

[Serban]

impressive HP chromebook 13 that just came out. Its like $500ish dollars

500 for a copy with an os more limited than ios

 

[Wowereit]

There are 2 purposes for Chromebooks:
- Browsing the web.
- Replacing Chrome OS with a real Linux distro.

 

[content]

I came across this forum just before the March event (my first ever event - imagine my disappointment after all the hype!)

Weeks later we're scrabbling around in the dirt searching for non existent scraps of info, bickering over assumptions about connectors. And I don't get it. Why haven't Apple revealed anything about their new line? They are losing customers to Dell and co as longtime Mac supporters take their only existing options for an upgrade. Don't Apple want to hold onto these people? A simple mention of a summer upgrade would cause most people to hang on rather than jump ship.

I'd think most MBP buyers would be aware of the "don't buy" advice, so Apple keeping quiet isn't necessarily protecting sales of the 2015 models. Or are Apple really so arrogant that they enjoy the intrigue regardless of any market share loss? I bought into this ecosystem very recently, and I love it. But I don't like the way Apple treats its Pro user base.

Would love to see the effect a genuine competitor had on this situation.

The MacRumors thread below is starting to gather a lot of attention on the internet and from other sites:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-made-me-buy-a-windows-hp-workstation.1970132/

If we don't start seeing legit rumors, we truthfully may not see the MBP @ WWDC or otherwise...

"Apple’s Failure to Scale"
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apples-failure-to-scale

 

[Ovedius]

Oh great.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/04/apple-music-design-overhaul-wwdc-in-june/

There goes about half an hour of the keynote.

Dang, bad timing, I'm in a situation where I'll need a MBP
... also need to some reasonably stout GPU action (AR/VR), so it'll likely be a 15" 2.5GHz/16GB/512GB with the R9/370X....

That GPU is absolutely useless.
Don't even think about using it for VR.

It throttles down to useless levels at the slightes hint of heat.
Trust me, I had one.

 

[Alakagom]

So as Kabylake specifications are leaked and momentum is shifting to it, Apple is maybe getting to manufacture their Skylakes...where it all went wrong..dunno..

 

[D.T.]

That GPU is absolutely useless.
Don't even think about using it for VR.

It throttles down to useless levels at the slightes hint of heat.
Trust me, I had one.

I didn't experience that, I used one (actually two ) for several weeks with both Unity and Unreal (coding in C#/C++), worked fantastic. Most of the time driving two 24" (1920x1200) displays. I realize there are some more powerful GPU options on Windows notebooks, but I much prefer OSX (outside of the xR related work, both professionally and personal).

*shrugs*

 

[snc]

... I realize there are some more powerful GPU options on Windows notebooks...

Good for you

 

[Serban]

Apple already is testing skylake for 3 months now into their own products. They experienced some problems into the ' 13" ' chasis but since 27 april its all good now. No reason not to show them to the world at WWDC

 

[Dutchdude99]

If Apple wants my money they better come up with a Skylake MBP in June or I will spend it at dell.com
Come on Apple, I really want a Mac, but I need one soon and I won't pay €1649 in the Apple Store for old hardware.

 

[Oppenheim]

The 3.5mm jack should be an option.

My dream machine is:
- 16" screen with vanishing bezel
- Invisible track pad
- short travel keyboard
- 12 hour battery life
- 2 USB-C ports
- OSX 10.12
- 256GB SSD
- 16GB RAM

That's it. I don't want legacy USB ports, DP, 3.5mm jack, microphone jacks, etc.

About the headphone jack on the current MBPs, don't forget that it is also an optical audio out.

A very good point. I'd say 99.9% of users don't even know.

I wonder... Could we hack 3.5mm jack even further and cross-breed it into a USB-C port?

I can see the standards guys crying as the design guys high five each other over the "good news"...

 

[benface]

My dream machine is:
- 16" screen with vanishing bezel
- Invisible track pad
- short travel keyboard
- 12 hour battery life
- 2 USB-C ports
- OSX 10.12
- 256GB SSD
- 16GB RAM

Same thing here, except for the invisible track pad (I really don't care, actually I don't think I'd like that) and I'd like more than 2 USB-C ports (like at least 3) and DEFINITELY more than 256 GB of storage (I currently have 1 TB and would never go down). Oh and 32 GB of RAM if possible but I doubt it.

 

[GioFerrara]

If you had to settle for a PC due to Apple further delaying Mac updates beyond the summer would you go XPS or Surface Book? I ask because it seems like the only realistic options if you need a quality PC laptop now.

I am having strong doubts about getting an update at WWDC. Leaks keep coming out about what to expect at the event and it's not looking good. Apple would need at least 30-45 minutes to show off two new redesigned Mac's, right? Adding up the time of what is rumored is making things seem real cramped.

 

[WRONG]

I can see the standards guys crying as the design guys high five each other over the "good news"...

I think you made a mistake here.
You wrote "design guys", but you mean something else...

 

[Oppenheim]

Same thing here, except for the invisible track pad (I really don't care, actually I don't think I'd like that) and I'd like more than 2 USB-C ports (like at least 3) and DEFINITELY more than 256 GB of storage (I currently have 1 TB and would never go down). Oh and 32 GB of RAM if possible but I doubt it.

If 32GB were available, I'd probably get it. I definitely prefer high memory bandwidth and large cache over large DDR memory capacity.

I will end up bumping up to a 512 SSD. That's an easy decision for me. USB-C will be perfect for the larger capacity drives. I imagine video folks will fall in love. You'll even be able to run an external SSD or SSD-hybrid over USB-C and it will perform as if it were connected to a motherboard! Video folks will surely fall in love with this too? Massive improved workflow for those who shunt about a lot of data. Simply walk across the room and plug in.

Don't see the need for more than two USB-Cs on a portable device to be honest. The USB is so versatile - you can charge your computer and drive a 5k over one port.
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I think you made a mistake here.
You wrote "design guys", but you mean something else...

I'm with the standards guys on this one.

The trusty 3.5mm has been hacked enough. Let her go off to die in peace. It's not right to keep her on life support for another generation.

 

[t0mat0]

Why too cramped?
New MBP could be done in 20 minutes just like the original rMBP at WWDC

Same with Mac Pro.
At WWDC 2015, music got 30 minutes (of what was a rambling non cohesive not tight way too long keynote).

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/08/wwdc-2015-live-coverage/

iOS + macOS + watchOS updates, hardware, iTunes update. Could fit that in 2 hours - the talk of an iTunes update probably fits in with OS X update as part of iTunes update (or splitting it into new apps) being linked with new OS X/iOS not an update for anyone on El Capitan/iOS9.

 

[fakeycakemaker]

Here's the big thing i'm really struggling to figure out:

Apple is the most valuable company in the world (on and off, always near the top). They must have a huge amount of employees. What then are they all doing?

1. The iPhone has remained essentially the same for as long as I can remember. Yes we get a new camera nearly every year, yes we got better Touch ID and a force touch screen, but overall, the phone is the same! You could've come up with this with a handful of people at most.
2. The stuttering iPad has got thinner and bigger with a stylus. Again, easily done with a handful of people.
3. The Apple TV gets apps. Great but probably easy enough to slap a new skin in iOS.
4. The Apple Watch, I was excited but a year on it's the worst Apple product I've ever owned. I resent having a watch that won't last a full day on one charge. Utterly pointless.
5. iMac gets a great screen.
6. MacBook, super thin, USB and new keyboard. This is the product that could easily have been developed alongside the new MacBook Pros and perhaps it actually was.

I've probably missed a couple of things off the list, but I think I've got the main ones. When you looks at that list, you've got to wonder what the hell they are doing in Cupertino. Either the new MacBook pros are ready but they need to be announced alongside MacOS for whatever reason, or they're disappointing enough to need to be sandwiched between a new Apple Music app (oh great, thanks) and a couple more Apple Watch bands.....or maybe the apple car will fly and that's what everyone is working on!

That's my opinion anyway. I hope I'm proved wrong.

 

[intelligence]

Here's the big thing i'm really struggling to figure out:

Apple is the most valuable company in the world (on and off, always near the top). They must have a huge amount of employees. What then are they all doing?

Iterating products you'll see in a couple of years, or never.

 

[j1104638]

If 32GB were available, I'd probably get it. I definitely prefer high memory bandwidth and large cache over large DDR memory capacity.

Well, you're wrong.

Look at the tests. RAM speed is rarely a bottleneck nowadays.

 

[2457248]

What then are they all doing?

releasing a new product every year, dealing with the SoC for mobile devices internally (besides lithography), obtaining components from several companies, assembling everything together with those minimal tolerances, all this for numbers in the order of millons parts, is a lot of pressure.
people only see: oh they swapped the camera module, or believe that updating yearly to the next A-processor is a given.
even the process chain to manufacture that amount of parts is something amazing, and does not come for free. you need people to go through several trial and errors and feasibility studies.
the yearly schedule for new gadgets is REALLY a short timeframe.
that's why, at least some parts stay the same for more iterations, you couldn't make it otherwise.