Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[nicovh]

A quote from Jony Ive at the Met Gala:

"You know we can't talk about future products, but if you look at what we typically do is that we don't make something and stop."

I would like him to just have a glance at this:

All I see is a grand halt on everything Mac related.

Please Jony, keep talking in that sexy voice. But next time, make sure your mouth is not spewing out B S.

 

[bfid111]

Why too cramped?
New MBP could be done in 20 minutes just like the original rMBP at WWDC

Same with Mac Pro.
At WWDC 2015, music got 30 minutes (of what was a rambling non cohesive not tight way too long keynote).

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/08/wwdc-2015-live-coverage/

iOS + macOS + watchOS updates, hardware, iTunes update. Could fit that in 2 hours - the talk of an iTunes update probably fits in with OS X update as part of iTunes update (or splitting it into new apps) being linked with new OS X/iOS not an update for anyone on El Capitan/iOS9.

2880x1800 resolution was pretty "innovative" back in 2012. I hope Apple bumps it up to 4k or 5k .

 

[Te0SX]

A quote from Jony Ive at the Met Gala:

"You know we can't talk about future products, but if you look at what we typically do is that we don't make something and stop."

I would like him to just have a glance at this:

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All I see is a grand halt on everything Mac related.

Please Jony, keep talking in that sexy voice. But next time, make sure your mouth is not spewing out B S.

Macbook pro will go away, retina will be a standard, and all other mac should gain a strong hardware update. All of them, even mini. Maybe this is the reason that they waiting for so long. Will see. But imo they need to bring back the mac enthusiastic vibe. Everyone complaints these days, for reasonable reasons.

 

[brewmonkey]

While I am waiting for skylake I bought a Parrot AR.Drone 2.0 for $90 at a computer swapmeet.

Make sure you go register it with big brother before they fine you $27,500...

http://www.cringely.com/2016/04/15/the-27500-drone-that-you-may-have-too/

 

[WRONG]

A quote from Jony Ive at the Met Gala:

"You know we can't talk about future products, but if you look at what we typically do is that we don't make something and stop."

Yeah Jony, you mean like the Thunderbolt Display which is not updated since 1693 days?
That doesn't sound to me as a stop, of course not.
Just a reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllyyyyy looooooooooooooooong pppppaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuseee............

Oh and do not forget the lovely iPod Classic you silently threw in trash...

But I'm going OT.
Give us the MBP already.

 

[fakeycakemaker]

releasing a new product every year, dealing with the SoC for mobile devices internally (besides lithography), obtaining components from several companies, assembling everything together with those minimal tolerances, all this for numbers in the order of millons parts, is a lot of pressure.
people only see: oh they swapped the camera module, or believe that updating yearly to the next A-processor is a given.
even the process chain to manufacture that amount of parts is something amazing, and does not come for free. you need people to go through several trial and errors and feasibility studies.
the yearly schedule for new gadgets is REALLY a short timeframe.
that's why, at least some parts stay the same for more iterations, you couldn't make it otherwise.

I can't see how that would mean they ignore a whole sector of their customer base. That's like Mercedes going all out on a new A class and forgetting the E class altogether!

 

[Vince89]

I can't see how that would mean they ignore a whole sector of their customer base. That's like Mercedes going all out on a new A class and forgetting the E class altogether!

What a stupid analogy, car manufacturers change product lines/focus all the time to adapt to the wants and needs of the market.

 

[Wowereit]

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Is it only based on release dates or is someone supervising the buyers guide?
Do you remember what the 15" MBP looked like after getting force touch? If there is a supervisor it should have been red.

 

[killawat]

Is it only based on release dates or is someone supervising the buyers guide?
Do you remember what the 15" MBP looked like after getting force touch? If there is a supervisor it should have been red.

The buyers guide is based on two things, product cycles (cold hard metrics such as previous release date and average dates) and (less cold, spongy) rumors. The perceived merit of the update, rightly, is not one of them. This would require them to forecast what "could/should have been" which no one knows outside of Apple, and would be too subjective and confusing . For instance, I consider the 2015 rMBP to be fundamentally the same as the 2014 rMBP , however someone who has used both may claim the 2015 is vastly superior thanks to the increased SSD speed. Regardless, the rMBP was "green" after it's update in May 2015.

 

[fakeycakemaker]

What a stupid analogy, car manufacturers change product lines/focus all the time to adapt to the wants and needs of the market.

That was my point. Shouldn't Apple do the same? iPhone 6s/plus, more battery life please.....no, have 3D Touch instead.
We have no idea what will happen, but can we expect the iPhone 7 to be thicker than the 6 to give what a lot of people crave? More battery life? Surely that's some strong market demand right there?

 

[volcomvenom]

Make sure you go register it with big brother before they fine you $27,500...

http://www.cringely.com/2016/04/15/the-27500-drone-that-you-may-have-too/

Brew monkey, it's much appreciated! I actually haven't taken it out of the box as of yet. I may sell it.

 

[Woochoo]

Once again, the problem is not usb-c yes or no.
The problem is how this argument is debated.

Well, I wasn't talking about USB C there, but about jack

 

[t0mat0]

If you're

The buyers guide is based on two things, product cycles (cold hard metrics such as previous release date and average dates) and (less cold, spongy) rumors. The perceived merit of the update, rightly, is not one of them. This would require them to forecast what "could/should have been" which no one knows outside of Apple, and would be too subjective and confusing . For instance, I consider the 2015 rMBP to be fundamentally the same as the 2014 rMBP , however someone who has used both may claim the 2015 is vastly superior thanks to the increased SSD speed. Regardless, the rMBP was "green" after it's update in May 2015.

Is there anything to read into the fact that pretty much all the Macs have aligned their product cycles, upon WWDC?

 

[jsnuff1]

Here's the big thing i'm really struggling to figure out:

Apple is the most valuable company in the world (on and off, always near the top). They must have a huge amount of employees. What then are they all doing?

1. The iPhone has remained essentially the same for as long as I can remember. Yes we get a new camera nearly every year, yes we got better Touch ID and a force touch screen, but overall, the phone is the same! You could've come up with this with a handful of people at most.
2. The stuttering iPad has got thinner and bigger with a stylus. Again, easily done with a handful of people.
3. The Apple TV gets apps. Great but probably easy enough to slap a new skin in iOS.
4. The Apple Watch, I was excited but a year on it's the worst Apple product I've ever owned. I resent having a watch that won't last a full day on one charge. Utterly pointless.
5. iMac gets a great screen.
6. MacBook, super thin, USB and new keyboard. This is the product that could easily have been developed alongside the new MacBook Pros and perhaps it actually was.

I've probably missed a couple of things off the list, but I think I've got the main ones. When you looks at that list, you've got to wonder what the hell they are doing in Cupertino. Either the new MacBook pros are ready but they need to be announced alongside MacOS for whatever reason, or they're disappointing enough to need to be sandwiched between a new Apple Music app (oh great, thanks) and a couple more Apple Watch bands.....or maybe the apple car will fly and that's what everyone is working on!

That's my opinion anyway. I hope I'm proved wrong.

Now I do agree with you that Apple has the resources and capital to be putting out WAY more products at a faster pace then they are, but overall this post is obviously from someone that does not understand product engineering or software development.

For example lets take your "iPhone has remained essentially the same" every year comment. Yes to end users it "seems" like it remains the same, but from a product development standpoint its actually a brand new product and re-engineered from the bottom up every year.

What do you think happens when they slap a new Ax processor in there? The whole PCB board has to be re-developed, new components, new traces, new board size, new testing etc etc. Then you have to redo the case to fit the new (thinner) components etc etc. Then you have to re-code and develop new drivers and micro kernel that will be running on top of this new Ax processor. Of course I didn't even scratch the surface with changes in design and new features on both hardware/software side.

Being a hardware and software engineer its easy to see how people lose these nuances in product development. Its easy to say "oh they just added touch ID whats the big deal", but to actually implement that "simple" change requires so many little changes behind the scenes which you never see.

 

[GioFerrara]

Now I do agree with you that Apple has the resources and capital to be putting out WAY more products at a faster pace then they are, but overall this post is obviously from someone that does not understand product engineering or software development.

For example lets take your "iPhone has remained essentially the same" every year comment. Yes to end users it "seems" like it remains the same, but from a product development standpoint its actually a brand new product and re-engineered from the bottom up every year.

What do you think happens when they slap a new Ax processor in there? The whole PCB board has to be re-developed, new components, new traces, new board size, new testing etc etc. Then you have to redo the case to fit the new (thinner) components etc etc. Then you have to re-code and develop new drivers and micro kernel that will be running on top of this new Ax processor. Of course I didn't even scratch the surface with changes in design and new features on both hardware/software side.

Being a hardware and software engineer its easy to see how people lose these nuances in product development. Its easy to say "oh they just added touch ID whats the big deal", but to actually implement that "simple" change requires so many little changes behind the scenes which you never see.

I totally get what you're saying and I have a lot of respect for your field. However, Apple is a multi-billion dollar company who prides themselves on being the best. If you look around they are playing catchup in innovation. At this very moment their iPhone and Mac are inferior to other products that you can buy. Cheaper products, that is. A company with the resources Apple has should never be falling behind, especially while claiming to be all you need.

 

[cmChimera]

The new iOS and OS X versions are expected to include an updated version of Apple Pay that works for online stores in the browser

This quote is from the Apple Music article by Mark Gurman on 9to5Mac today. Anyone else find it interesting that OS X is planned to have Apple Pay?

 

[x-evil-x]

4. The Apple Watch, I was excited but a year on it's the worst Apple product I've ever owned. I resent having a watch that won't last a full day on one charge. Utterly pointless.

Why doesn't your watch last the whole day? Mine can go easily a day and a half if i don't use the health app 2+ hour workout.
i personally love the watch. can pay for things easier, turn on and off my lights, control my tv, notifications ect...
I think people expect the watch to be so much more for some reason but it does well it what it does imo.
What do you use it for that you don't like? or want more of?

 

[WRONG]

Ehy guys, we're getting close to the number of pages of "I just ordered / bought / got my new/refurb MBP" thread".
I believe we can do better than them, before this story end.

 

[killawat]

I believe we can do better than them, before this story end.

new avatar?

whats the occasion?

 

[WRONG]

new avatar?

whats the occasion?

Wow, I never thought that someone would notice it!
No particular reasons, just working on my logo and testing how it looks.

 

[killawat]

Wow, I never thought that someone would notice it!

When you spend this much time on a single thread, its hard not to.

 

[Uni Grad]

This quote is from the Apple Music article by Mark Gurman on 9to5Mac today. Anyone else find it interesting that OS X is planned to have Apple Pay?

That can only mean one thing...TOUCH ID ON MAC!!!!!!!!

Or more realistically, having to pair your iPhone with Mac when making payments.

 

[shareef777]

That can only mean one thing...TOUCH ID ON MAC!!!!!!!!

Or more realistically, having to pair your iPhone with Mac when making payments.

Yay, with all the bickering about USB-C and headphone ports, lets discuss touchID on a Mac!

I use MacID to sign in via my watch/phone, but the lag gets pretty annoying. Having touchID/ApplePay on my Mac would be a very welcome addition. And definitely innovative and something that would differentiate the Mac from its competitors.
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The MacRumors thread below is starting to gather a lot of attention on the internet and from other sites:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-made-me-buy-a-windows-hp-workstation.1970132/

If we don't start seeing legit rumors, we truthfully may not see the MBP @ WWDC or otherwise...

"Apple’s Failure to Scale"
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apples-failure-to-scale

That macobserver article is absolutely on point. Funny how history is doomed to repeat itself with Apple.

 

[GioFerrara]

Reading that Macobserver article made me feel like he was inside my head when he wrote it. When you open your mind to change it allows you to get a clearer vision of things. Playing around with Surface Book and XPS you realize how dull Mac's have become. The old security and OS thing is tired some and no longer applies. W10 (especially Pro) is very secure and a fantastic OS. Some will just never open their mind to try or believe the truth.

Apple really needs to bring the heat because they are getting lapped right now. Two things are keeping me waiting the Apple customer service and near perfect build quality.

Unfortunately we are the minority, most Mac buyers don't understand or care about the specs. Apple for the most part doesn't have customers, they have sheep. The sheep buy all the new products because they're hipsters or once again closed minded to change.

 

[killawat]

TouchID would be huge on the Mac, not because we will use Apple Pay for iTunes. Why, that would be weird . The best part is that we get a Secure Element chip on the Mac. This is the part of iOS devices that stores crypto keys, touchid stuff etc. a standalone chip with its own os, one cannot interact directly with the memory contents of the SE, iOS rather asks it to validate certain things. We can imagine a future where they contents of the keychain are stored in the SE, or perhaps the keys for a 1password database, wherein the encrypted material is rendered useless if removed from the home Mac.
Sort of like a TPM but i doubt Apple will put a plain tpm since they developed their own methodology.