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Source: Next MBP supports some of the "Pro" features built into the iPad Pro line - namely, the pencil, and the device will support orientations that make pen use viable. Software support will be included in MacOS, hence holding the device for WWDC. June announcement, early July availability.

Yeah? No. You think it's great that you created a separate account in 2011 and are using it now to troll people?

Funny.
 
Yeah? No. You think it's great that you created a separate account in 2011 and are using it now to troll people?

Funny.

My knee-jerk reaction was that i was being trolled.

But then i remembered that weird 1-month period where Apple had disabled scrolling/navigation using the pencil in iOS 9.2 beta.. my interpretation of that particular action was that Apple was preparing to introduce some pencil-enabled functionality to devices which didn't previously support it. Being as obsessed with upcoming MBPs as i am, my thoughts immediately turned to the MBPs, which i thought could potentially support the pencil somehow.

this (still probably troll) post now has that thought nagging at me :(
 
My knee-jerk reaction was that i was being trolled.

But then i remembered that weird 1-month period where Apple had disabled scrolling/navigation using the pencil in iOS 9.2 beta.. my interpretation of that particular action was that Apple was preparing to introduce some pencil-enabled functionality to devices which didn't previously support it. Being as obsessed with upcoming MBPs as i am, my thoughts immediately turned to the MBPs, which i thought could potentially support the pencil somehow.

this (still probably troll) post now has that thought nagging at me :(

It makes no sense. Why on Earth would they have a writable surface on a MacBook? To sign documents? That seems like a half baked excuse. Further, that kind of negates the use of an iPad Pro 12.9 inch. It is pointless, and extremely unbelievable.
 
It makes no sense. Why on Earth would they have a writable surface on a MacBook? To sign documents? That seems like a half baked excuse. Further, that kind of negates the use of an iPad Pro 12.9 inch. It is pointless, and extremely unbelievable.

Oh i agree completely. it was a worst-case scenario for me. An even worster-case scenario was that the screen on the MBPs would be the pencil-enabled surface... (there were a lot of BS rumours about touch-enabled screens on MBPs back in Jan/Feb).
 
I wonder what Apple does with all their test hardware.

I'm imagining the end sequence from Raiders of the Lost Ark where some lonely Apple employee puts that one perfect Macbook Pro that YOU would have LOVED, but that scored 1% lower on polls among women over 60 in Peoria, on a dusty shelf in a huge warehouse...
 
Source: Next MBP supports some of the "Pro" features built into the iPad Pro line - namely, the pencil, and the device will support orientations that make pen use viable. Software support will be included in MacOS, hence holding the device for WWDC. June announcement, early July availability.
Pencil? So it will have a touchscreen?
 
I hope it doesn't come with some gimicky 2-1 touchscreen crap or a "foldback" screen like some Lenovos. I'm all up for innovation, but the screen on a portable power computer should be just that: a perfectly viewable high performance screen.
 
If the MacBook would be able to turn into a tablet by flipping 360 degrees and it would dualboot iOS and OSX, that would be pretty awesome.
 
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Same here !

I use a tablet basically for web browsing (an android one), and my MBP more than 50% of the time closed with a desktop display, and I want it to remain a computer, not having to mess with different configuration and installations, both for my laptop/mobile needs and desktop needs.

Don't like these hybrid stuff at all,(and don't think they are a success either)
 
I hope it doesn't come with some gimicky 2-1 touchscreen crap or a "foldback" screen like some Lenovos. I'm all up for innovation, but the screen on a portable power computer should be just that: a perfectly viewable high performance screen.

Why not?
Why would it not be 'high performance' because the pencil can write on it...is the iPad Pro screen 'low performance'?

What's 'gimmicky' about having a screen like the SurfaceBook? ( I don't think the rMBP will btw...probably an enlarged trackpad you can take notes on...if true)
 
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I wonder how can they still sell it in Europe with the ludicrous prices the apply.

2299€ for a base 15" without dgpu?? srsly?
Does that include a VAT? If not, that's $550 over the current US apple store price pre-tax.

Explains why several people that I know who live in Europe have "accidents" with their older Apple products while traveling in the U.S.
 
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Why not?
Why would it not be 'high performance' because the pencil can write on it...is the iPad Pro screen 'low performance'?

What's 'gimmicky' about having a screen like the SurfaceBook? ( I don't think the rMBP will btw...probably an enlarged trackpad you can take notes on...if true)


Because it's compromises. Having a touch display would just mess up battery life, besides that what practical use could it have? If you use it like a normal laptop would you use your finger to touch the screen? You can't do so for a period of time, you'll strain your arms, not ergnomic at all. If you wanna use a touch screen or a tablet for drawing with the pencil for example, it's best to have it on a flat surface like a piece of paper or somewhere holstered up on your lap/knees while sitting like a sketchpad. You can do that perfectly with an iPad Pro and with iCloud and a plethora of sync-options your workflow can still be close to seamless even if you work on two devices. If you force the MBP to do all of that, it's not good in any use case. Battery drains faster for a screen probably a very small percentage of people will use at all, even if you can fold back the display, it'll be an uncomfortable thick tablet...

All those "2 in 1" computers, foldback stuff etc... it's all just not very professional and by that I mean: how MUCH do you use those features? A touchscreen on a hinge in front of you?

It's just crap really.

Touch input is best for very mobile or thin devices being laid down or held close to your body, nothing you have to reach out to. Also I really see no use for touch you can't do better or more precise with a stylus or a mouse.
 
The recent patent with the large trackpad (everything in front of keyboard is a trackpad) - imagine using an Apple pencil on that much like a Wacom Intuos or similar.

Not very Apple-like I admit.
 
German Apple website:

MacBook Pro - Apple (DE)
www.apple.com/de/macbook-pro/
Mit Intel Prozessoren der neuesten Generation, neuen Grafikprozessoren und schnellerem Flash-Speicher baut das MacBook Pro seine Leistung noch weiter ...

"With newest generation Intel processors [...]"

False advertising anyone?
They had that in the uk website as well a few months back but now they changed it to 'advanced intel processors' haha
 
Because it's compromises. Having a touch display would just mess up battery life, besides that what practical use could it have? If you use it like a normal laptop would you use your finger to touch the screen? You can't do so for a period of time, you'll strain your arms, not ergnomic at all. If you wanna use a touch screen or a tablet for drawing with the pencil for example, it's best to have it on a flat surface like a piece of paper or somewhere holstered up on your lap/knees while sitting like a sketchpad. You can do that perfectly with an iPad Pro and with iCloud and a plethora of sync-options your workflow can still be close to seamless even if you work on two devices. If you force the MBP to do all of that, it's not good in any use case. Battery drains faster for a screen probably a very small percentage of people will use at all, even if you can fold back the display, it'll be an uncomfortable thick tablet...

All those "2 in 1" computers, foldback stuff etc... it's all just not very professional and by that I mean: how MUCH do you use those features? A touchscreen on a hinge in front of you?

It's just crap really.

Touch input is best for very mobile or thin devices being laid down or held close to your body, nothing you have to reach out to. Also I really see no use for touch you can't do better or more precise with a stylus or a mouse.

Erm....well, battery life may be reduced, then again, it may not.

Practical use would, obviously be for drawing in drawing apps as well as navigation in app's such as Z-brush, Maya etc...thought that was self evident!?!?!?

Do you use your finger on your phone/tablet?
You might use your finger to touch the screen, yes, of course.
I use my finger to touch shortcuts on the keyboard and the trackpad...what's the problem in having another input?

If the screen folds right back, like the SurfaceBook, then you can put it on a flat surface, or your 'lap'...some may find it uncomfortable some may not.

The OL' 'not professional' argument doesn't stand up does it?
If I were to use this 'hyperthetical touch Mac' to draw a comic or illustrations, make 3D models and get paid for that then it's professional...right?

Ok.

You don't much fancy the idea and have given some pretty weak reasoning as to why not( namely the battery might be less and you, personally, wouldn't have use for it.

...other people would find such a device highly productive and would have use for it.
 
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Because it's compromises. Having a touch display would just mess up battery life, besides that what practical use could it have? If you use it like a normal laptop would you use your finger to touch the screen? You can't do so for a period of time, you'll strain your arms, not ergnomic at all. If you wanna use a touch screen or a tablet for drawing with the pencil for example, it's best to have it on a flat surface like a piece of paper or somewhere holstered up on your lap/knees while sitting like a sketchpad. You can do that perfectly with an iPad Pro and with iCloud and a plethora of sync-options your workflow can still be close to seamless even if you work on two devices. If you force the MBP to do all of that, it's not good in any use case. Battery drains faster for a screen probably a very small percentage of people will use at all, even if you can fold back the display, it'll be an uncomfortable thick tablet...

All those "2 in 1" computers, foldback stuff etc... it's all just not very professional and by that I mean: how MUCH do you use those features? A touchscreen on a hinge in front of you?

It's just crap really.

Touch input is best for very mobile or thin devices being laid down or held close to your body, nothing you have to reach out to. Also I really see no use for touch you can't do better or more precise with a stylus or a mouse.

ITT: A bunch of people who think their use case is the most important one.

Do you think Apple or any other manufacturer knows LESS than you about what people want in a laptop?

They have TEAMS of people thinking about this all day every day, parsing through surveys and customer feedback from paying customers.

And you think you know better, based on what?
 
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It seems like I know better what developers and other professionals want in a laptop.
There is a reason why there are different lineups for private and professional use with some overlap.
I am very sure that most MBPs sold today (especially 13") are sold to students and other consumers.
 
It seems like I know better what developers and other professionals want in a laptop.
There is a reason why there are different lineups for private and professional use with some overlap.
I am very sure that most MBPs sold today (especially 13") are sold to students and other consumers.
I'm working in mobile development company and all iOS workers get 13'' macbook pro :D
 
ITT: A bunch of people who think their use case is the most important one.

Do you think Apple or any other manufacturer knows LESS than you about what people want in a laptop?

They have TEAMS of people thinking about this all day every day, parsing through surveys and customer feedback from paying customers.

And you think you know better, based on what?

Im stating my opinion. You are free to disagree.
And you know there are products that flop despite all market research right?
And I also didn't say that 2 in 1 computers or foldbacks are failing saleswise. I just wondered what actual use those features get.
 
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