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Erm....well, battery life may be reduced, then again, it may not.

Practical use would, obviously be for drawing in drawing apps as well as navigation in app's such as Z-brush, Maya etc...thought that was self evident!?!?!?

As I said NO drawing in a drawing app on a screen thats sitting upright in front of you on a hinge, i.e. the way you use a laptop is not ergonomical nor very precise, thus useless.

Do you use your finger on your phone/tablet?
You might use your finger to touch the screen, yes, of course.
I use my finger to touch shortcuts on the keyboard and the trackpad...what's the problem in having another input?

It's not a problem I just don't see how this "taking away your fingers from mouse and keyboard" to touch something on the screen a meter from you is in any way more "time saving" or "convenient" than just hitting a shortcut on the keyboard or klicking some button with the mouse - where my hands rest already anyways.

If the screen folds right back, like the SurfaceBook, then you can put it on a flat surface, or your 'lap'...some may find it uncomfortable some may not.

You are referring to an ultra-book class notebook. I can - to some degree - see your point if we'd be talking about the MBr, if it would fold back, flat and thin as it is, then it would be quite comfy to operate. But I doubt most people would prefer a comparatively bulky Macbook Pro performance notebook folded backwards to an iPad Pro, yet alone think about Apple, they want to sell you a MBP AND an iPadPro.

The OL' 'not professional' argument doesn't stand up does it?
If I were to use this 'hyperthetical touch Mac' to draw a comic or illustrations, make 3D models and get paid for that then it's professional...right?

Ok.

Something to me - being a professional graphics designer and layouter - is "professional" if it is effecitve and efficient, saves me time, thus stress and money. A touch-screen on a MBP doesn't do that. There might be people who have a use-case where such a device would be perfect, I was just stating my personal opinion.

You don't much fancy the idea and have given some pretty weak reasoning as to why not( namely the battery might be less and you, personally, wouldn't have use for it.

...other people would find such a device highly productive and would have use for it.

I responded more detailed and gave more reasoning. Feel free to disagree.
 
iPhone 7 looks like a minimal upgrade this year, iPad Pro has had a smaller version..........something needs to be a proper upgrade this year. The MacBook can't be alone in its development.....
 
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It makes no sense. Why on Earth would they have a writable surface on a MacBook? To sign documents? That seems like a half baked excuse. Further, that kind of negates the use of an iPad Pro 12.9 inch. It is pointless, and extremely unbelievable.
Photoshop users would love it. Don't need touch but the pen like on the Surface Pro would be great. Need the 15.5" screen or larger though
 
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Hi, some thoughts...

1. I didn't see where you said drawing on a screen 'sitting upright n front of you'...and I can't find the quote now!?!?

..as I said, if you could fold the screen back like the Surfacebook, the pen makes perfect sense...it would be great for me!

2. I never said, let's say 're-sizing' an image in Photoshop is more "time-saving" or "convenient'...it might be nice in conjunction with a pen...again, people seem more than happy with this concept on tablets and phones.


3. Yes, they want to sell you a rMBP and iPad Pro...However the iPad Pro doesn't run OSX..which is why, so far, I've held off from buying one. A hybrid rMBP would be ideal for me personally and worth other 'compromises' in battery life ( if that were, indeed the case)...mostly I'm working plugged in anyhow..

4. We're all stating personal opinions.
In terms of computing, something is 'professional' if you earn money from it...I've been rocking a 2010 17" laptop..not particularly 'efficient' and a bit 'stressful' at times in comparison to modern laptops...but it gets the job done.

Still, your arguments for not having a touch screen option don't carry much weight when broken down...how would having one make you 'less effective, efficient' and 'stressed'?
 
Hi, some thoughts...

1. I didn't see where you said drawing on a screen 'sitting upright n front of you'...and I can't find the quote now!?!?

..as I said, if you could fold the screen back like the Surfacebook, the pen makes perfect sense...it would be great for me!

2. I never said, let's say 're-sizing' an image in Photoshop is more "time-saving" or "convenient'...it might be nice in conjunction with a pen...again, people seem more than happy with this concept on tablets and phones.


3. Yes, they want to sell you a rMBP and iPad Pro...However the iPad Pro doesn't run OSX..which is why, so far, I've held off from buying one. A hybrid rMBP would be ideal for me personally and worth other 'compromises' in battery life ( if that were, indeed the case)...mostly I'm working plugged in anyhow..

4. We're all stating personal opinions.
In terms of computing, something is 'professional' if you earn money from it...I've been rocking a 2010 17" laptop..not particularly 'efficient' and a bit 'stressful' at times in comparison to modern laptops...but it gets the job done.

Still, your arguments for not having a touch screen option don't carry much weight when broken down...how would having one make you 'less effective, efficient' and 'stressed'?

It wouldn't.
But it would be a feature I don't use but pay fore, it would lower battery life.
Don't get me wrong, I just don't like having things I dont need. :)

AND... the screen of a laptop usually sits upright in front of you.
 
iPhone 7 looks like a minimal upgrade this year, iPad Pro has had a smaller version..........something needs to be a proper upgrade this year. The MacBook can't be alone in its development.....
yes they make this way because Apple is ready for a more radical thinking iphone in 2017 and not 2018 when typical apple will redesign the next iphone. so its a small price to pay
[doublepost=1463000883][/doublepost]the future is for mobile ios, not even android that will be replaced by the Microsoft os.
Very few companies in 10 years from now will make professional apps for desktop OS
I hear some nice things about iOS 10 and macos...i dont know if everything will be on these one or they will split them between ios10-11 etc
 
It wouldn't.
But it would be a feature I don't use but pay fore, it would lower battery life.
Don't get me wrong, I just don't like having things I dont need. :)

AND... the screen of a laptop usually sits upright in front of you.

..nowt wrong with a bit of innovation now and again... ;)
 
Does that include a VAT? If not, that's $550 over the current US apple store price pre-tax.
EU prices always include VAT.
i'm not familiar with the VAT taxation in the US, but i know many who bought macs while travelling/on holidays in the US, because you can save a lot of money, though that's not strictly legal.
(you also end up with a different keyboard layout, and 'over-mapping' doesn't always work neatly, depending on what you're trying to do)
 
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hmm so a month out, and still zero credible rumors like the march event....getting a little worried how there are zero leaks for these laptops for so long...
 
hmm so a month out, and still zero credible rumors like the march event....getting a little worried how there are zero leaks for these laptops for so long...

No kidding. While I still think it's absurd to consider no laptop ugrades from Apple next month, if june does come and go with no announcements then I think we can fairly say that the wheels have completely come off of Tim Cooks 'profit machine'.
 
In a way that's a good thing.
Can you imagine what would happen to this thread, that has managed to reach 459 pages without any documented rumors, if we actually got hold of such a thing?
It would literally make the Internet assplode.

Goodness gracious this post literally just made me burst out laughing right in the middle of the damn library. :p

This thread is just hilarious.
 
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For me its very simple. I absolutely expect expect new Macbook Pro's at WWDC. If, for whatever reason, it doesnt happen, I simply buy the refreshed ASUS UX303UB with mobile pascal that will release around July. Either way, ill be happy.
 
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the future is for mobile ios...Very few companies in 10 years from now will make professional apps for desktop OS

This kind of logic assumes processors will continue to advance at the same rate they did when Moore's law held true. I don't see that happening for a few reasons.

1) Physics: this one is self-explanatory. One need only read up on the challenges of smaller and smaller processor architectures to see that, unless some new model of computing is invented, processor gains are about to hit a brick wall.

2) Economics: this is a bit trickier to explain. The rapid growth of technology in the past 30-40 years has been funded largely by consumer-level purchases. But the average consumers don't even need advanced processors now, since all they really need is something to watch Netflix on, browse the Internet and add filters to their pictures. The processors in phones are all they need, and all they wil ever need. With the average consumer taken out of the upgrade loop, you should expect to see all computing devices take a nose-dive in sales. Funding for research will decrease. This, in combination with the above physical limitations, will mean a much slower upgrade cycle than we're used to.

I don't expect the iPhone of 2026 to be more capable compared to 2016 models than the 2016 phones are to 2013 models. For consumers this will be fine, but professional and advanced consumers will need machines capable of handling more intensive tasks. Those devices will have to be larger form factor and have software to match, so I expect desktop/laptop models to persist.
 
This kind of logic assumes processors will continue to advance at the same rate they did when Moore's law held true. I don't see that happening for a few reasons.

1) Physics: this one is self-explanatory. One need only read up on the challenges of smaller and smaller processor architectures to see that, unless some new model of computing is invented, processor gains are about to hit a brick wall.

2) Economics: this is a bit trickier to explain. The rapid growth of technology in the past 30-40 years has been funded largely by consumer-level purchases. But the average consumers don't even need advanced processors now, since all they really need is something to watch Netflix on, browse the Internet and add filters to their pictures. The processors in phones are all they need, and all they wil ever need. With the average consumer taken out of the upgrade loop, you should expect to see all computing devices take a nose-dive in sales. Funding for research will decrease. This, in combination with the above physical limitations, will mean a much slower upgrade cycle than we're used to.

I don't expect the iPhone of 2026 to be more capable compared to 2016 models than the 2016 phones are to 2013 models. For consumers this will be fine, but professional and advanced consumers will need machines capable of handling more intensive tasks. Those devices will have to be larger form factor and have software to match, so I expect desktop/laptop models to persist.

Well that really depends on what the company is willing to invest its R&D into. If they keep advancing the growth of their A-class processors with the pursuit to make their iPad the "Super. Computer.", then why not? Is their iOS system ready? Absolutely no. I've been using my 12.9" iPad Pro as my primary computer for awhile, and yes, it is functional, sure. But there are far too many limitations that come up almost everyday. It does not substitute a laptop for me.

It's ironic that Apple was calling Microsoft confused with its Surface line-up, and yet now they want to push a gimped experience as something that can fill your computing needs. Using a Smart Keyboard right now, I am confused at the direction that Apple is heading because right now it seems we are downgrading if we resort to using a TABLET as a computer replacement.

It's not there yet. iOS needs to be burned to the ground and they need a different OS if they want to pull this off because in its current iteration, no.
 
40% quarter-over-quarter drop in sales is probably enough to get Tim Cook's attention. Unless he misinterprets that to think nobody is interested in MBs.

This is a very interesting point and it's one that I was thinking of. Tim Cook has never seemed to be particularly in touch with Apple's consumers, so what if he looks at this extreme YOY dip in sales and completely comes to the wrong conclusion?

"Oh wow, MacBook Pro sales are way down. Consumers really don't want notebooks anymore! The iPad Pro was an absolutely fantastic decision. I really am a visionary. TEEHEE!"

OR

"MacBook Pro sales are really in the slump and it's not resonating with consumers anymore. Oh well, I guess I'll divert all of that R&D cash and resources from the Mac to the iPad and iPhone."

Lots of people in the news thread were happy about this news because they figured it will "send a message to Apple". It's definitely going to send a message to Apple, alright, but there's a great chance that the message that Apple sees will NOT be the message that most everyone on this forum knows to be true. The real message, of course, being that we want a better MacBook Pro with cutting edge tech at all times, so consumers don't have to feel like they being taken advantage of. That we want them to get off their asses and actually show that they are devoted to the Mac. That we want a computer that we can open the case of without voiding the warranty (tamper-proof screws in the 2016 MacBook). That we want to be able to upgrade things, because our over $2000 computers should not be disposable (aren't they supposed to LOVE the environment). That we don't care all that much about a hypothetical car that no one will be able to afford anyways.

But, honestly, what's the chance of that?

Now, can someone pass the glue and solder? My early 2011 MacBook Pro needs modernizing...
 
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Sigh, reading all of the news of Apple of throwing the idea of ending iTunes music downloads is so depressing. Makes you wonder how much this company's going to change within the next 3-4 years
 
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