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I completely agree with you - but i believe Apple have already started the process of shooting themselves in the foot:
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And they call crippling themselves "innovation" haha
 
Admittedly so :) even that 5-year view isn't that fantastic though.

Beyond the numbers, what matters to me is confidence. 3 years ago, you could show me whatever metric you wanted, and I would have thrown it aside and said "don't are. I know Apple are capable of coming out with great products, and they'll deliver".

That confidence is now somewhat shaken. (I've been listening to too much Gruber/Arment & co. lately)
 
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Eh. You're talking about the second most valuable company in the world.

Market cap isn't everything ^^ I'm not bashing Apple, companies go through ups and downs all the time, and even the most successful companies can't keep growing forever.

Some of their choices in the recent past have got me scratching my head, though.
 
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Admittedly so :) even that 5-year view isn't that fantastic though.
They've doubled the value....

Beyond the numbers, what matters to me is confidence. 3 years ago, you could show me whatever metric you wanted, and I would have thrown it aside and said "don't are. I know Apple are capable of coming out with great products, and they'll deliver".

That confidence is now somewhat shaken. (I've been listening to too much Gruber/Arment & co. lately)
5k iMac, Apple Watch, Macbook, Mac Pro, iPad Pro, and Apple Tv, are all pretty fantastic products that have come out in the last three years from Apple. That's not including the iPhones and large improvements to the Macbook Pro. Also, big software redesigns during that time. It takes a lot of ignoring of reality to say Apple has been just twiddling its thumbs.

Eh. You're talking about the second most valuable company in the world.
The most valuable brand, according to Forbes, too.
 
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It takes a lot of ignoring of reality to say Apple has been just twiddling its thumbs.

There's not a single mention of thumb-twiddling in my post. Apple's been very active - it's the areas they focus their energy on that are interesting to me.

5K iMac - fantastic.
Retina MBPs - fantastic, but hampered by Intel's patchy product release cycle, and a strange (yet understandable) choice to stay on haswell with the 15".
Apple watch - great product, seriously flawed in some places.
Mac Pro - when's the last time that has been refreshed, not to mention updated? Have you looked at the price of those things recently?
Macbook - not for me but sure, great product. wehaaaayyy overpriced, though.
Apple TV - great product.

What about Apple music though? great product? smooth launch?
Have you seen the performance of the apple watch?
the March 21st event? (and i am not saying that just as someone who's been waiting for the rMBP to be refreshed).
Not to mention the products they've left hanging: mac minis, airport time capsule, macbook air, etc.

Note: take into consideration the fact that i have the "european perspective", meaning it costs $1650 to get into a base config rMB here in France...
 
They've doubled the value....

5k iMac, Apple Watch, Macbook, Mac Pro, iPad Pro, and Apple Tv]

The watch is the only thing thats actually a new product in that time. The jury is still out on how it does. I think most would agree the current incarnation is disappointing, but a product needs more than a year.
 
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That would be nice. though even if they left the prices as is. The rMBP is still quite a bit cheaper than it's PC counterparts.

maybe they will drop the price of the rMB and also release a 14" rMB with a 15W CPU.... once can dream.

@Serban hear anything about a larger rMB?

@Mattsasa have a look at the Dell XPS 13, matte display (left aside by Apple for unknown reasons..at least to me), 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD. It comes with the same range of ports, has a smaller footprint and is goodlooking too.
For that price you get almost the same as a 2015 rMBP, but the Force Touch and OSX.

Maybe someone may say these are really important feature and I agree, but why I have to spend that amount of money when out there one can find such a machine as the XPS 13?

Don't get me wrong, as you all, I'm waiting for the WWDC and counting each single days.

BUT, as many other said here, if Apple is not going to release something huge, innovative and ahead of time as they used to do, I think many people will turn somewhere else
 
Admittedly so :) even that 5-year view isn't that fantastic though.

Even that is a challengeable statement (if that is even a word); one could also say this is a 'healthy correction' after 2 great years:

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/aapl/s...e&comparison=on&index=nasdaq100&drilldown=off

Nevertheless, these are random metrics. I trust one can find 100s for either side of the argument. What you are referring to is the overall sentiment, and I agree that that has worsened recently. Also with me. Even though my iPhone is without a doubt the greatest phone I've ever had and I see loads of issues with non-apple products around me (phones and laptops alike).
 
'See what's new??' What did I miss!!!! Email this morning
 

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Mac Pro - when's the last time that has been refreshed, not to mention updated?
It was introduced in 2013 and definitely needs a refresh, but it's market is small. It's always been prohibitively expensive, because of its tiny market.

What about Apple music though? great product? smooth launch?
I have Apple Music, and I love it. There are some interface issues (that are being remedied). But seeing as how they've picked up quite a number of paying subscribers, I'd say people like it.


Have you seen the performance of the apple watch?
I own one. 3rd party apps are mostly slow. But the performance of stock apps is good. You've already called this a great product though, so I'm not sure what point you're making.


the March 21st event? (and i am not saying that just as someone who's been waiting for the rMBP to be refreshed).
Not to mention the products they've left hanging: mac minis, airport time capsule, macbook air, etc.
For people wanting a smaller iPad Pro or smaller iPhone, the event was probably fine. The only people disappointed were people that expected something more than what rumors were saying.

The macbook air likely isn't hanging, it's dead.

Other than that, all macs need an update, but we know that. We'll see some next month surely. But you've already acknowledged that Apple has continued to make great products. So why the lack of confidence?

The watch is the only thing thats actually a new product in that time. The jury is still out on how it does. I think most would agree the current incarnation is disappointing, but a product needs more than a year.
No, the Apple Watch is the only new product category. There is a difference.
 
Thank goodness E3 is the same week. Already took the day off. Planning on having WWDC on the AppleTV, with E3 off to the side. If Timmy disappoints, at least the gamer side of me will have interesting news. Right? :confused:


I has my birthday on the 11th too! haha awesome month for me.
 
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@Mattsasa have a look at the Dell XPS 13, matte display (left aside by Apple for unknown reasons..at least to me), 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD. It comes with the same range of ports, has a smaller footprint and is goodlooking too.
For that price you get almost the same as a 2015 rMBP, but the Force Touch and OSX.

Maybe someone may say these are really important feature and I agree, but why I have to spend that amount of money when out there one can find such a machine as the XPS 13?

Don't get me wrong, as you all, I'm waiting for the WWDC and counting each single days.

BUT, as many other said here, if Apple is not going to release something huge, innovative and ahead of time as they used to do, I think many people will turn somewhere else

I used to have a dell xps 13.... Great laptop.

But its not in the same class as MBP, it uses a 15W CPU. and most of them use the weaker 15W CPU.
Dell XPS should be compared to the MBA. And it's better than the MBA it has a much better screen! But is more expensive
 
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Mac Pro: It was introduced in 2013 and definitely needs a refresh, but it's market is small. It's always been prohibitively expensive, because of its tiny market.

Which was made even tinier due to it's stupid design.

Cool looking, unique look but totally useless for a significant % of it's previous customer base..
 
Man, the desperation in this thread is reaching epic proportions. So much so that I think someone can come on here and pretend to have inside knowledge and people would gobble it right up. Hmmm.

I can't believe you guys are still doubting Serban. Just look at some of his previous comments here on MR. He has an amazing track record.

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I'm not telling you to blindly believe in him but at least don't tell others that he is not credible.
 
*Whistles*

I wasn't around during that time, but that makes me all the more excited for this WWDC :)

EDIT: Sarcasm, if you guys couldn't get it
 
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I can't believe you guys are still doubting Serban. Just look at some of his previous comments here on MR. He has an amazing track record.

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I'm not telling you to blindly believe in him but at least don't tell others that he is not credible.
Hmm how can that last post by Serban in the screenshot have been made in 1983 when MacRumors was launched in 2000 :eek::eek::eek:
 
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Hmm how can that last post by Serban in the screenshot have been made in 1983 when MacRumors was launched in 2000 :eek::eek::eek:

All three of GubbyMan's Serban posts were fake.

Serban's user profile was created January 8, 2013, so the 1983 and 2007 posts were obviously fabrications (not to mention there wasn't much of an internet to post on in 1983!)

The December 11, 2014 post was fake as well; Serban never posted that (you can check for yourself if you go through Serban's posting history). On the contrary, Serban had said the rMB prototype was using a 1.6 GHz chip, which would be a U class chip, not a Core M chip.
 
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I was a an electronics retailer yesterday picking up something, and as usual I had a look at the macs. They still had the last gen Macbook 1, but they had lowered the price of it by 1000kr, from 15k to 14k. That made me think - why the hell is that thing so expensive? It has smaller parts, but how does that equate to THAT big of a bump?
When the MBA came on the market it used a special CPU, a special tiny hard drive and parts no one had heard of before.
The Macbook uses as far as I can tell all off the shelf parts. Not even the display is very special, just look at the XPS 13.

Anyway, the thing is slow and you can't type properly on it, but damn it would be nice to have an extra one just lying around on the coffee table or next to my bed... But at that price?
 
I'm not sure if all "waiting for skylake" has made everyone lose their humor, but 3 posts seeming to believe GubbyMan's joke? I especially laughed at the fact that people question the 1983 post because MacRumors was started in 2000, and not because THE WORLD WIDE WEB DID NOT EXIST UNTIL 1989! Now maybe I'm losing my sense of humor.
 
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