Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[WRONG]

Wow.
We almost reached the 474 pages of the "I just ordered / bought / got my new/refurb MBP" thread, 4 years older than this.
And still almost no rumors.
Good job, guys.

 

[AnyKey]

Wow.
We almost reached the 474 pages of the "I just ordered / bought / got my new/refurb MBP" thread, 4 years older than this.
And still almost no rumors.
Good job, guys.

We're persistent!

 

[justywusty]

*just* over 4 weeks

 

[2457248]

*just* over 4 weeks

less than a month!
(sounds better)

 

[kevinkyoo]

Yeah, unless Apple makes the bold and very unlikely decision to put in a top of the line GPU in the computer, there's no way I'm biting the bullet for that again. TB3 and eGPU are the future.

 

[satchmo]

While Apple is generally pretty good with quality control, bear in mind an all-new MBP will be a first generation design. Meaning living with issues before Apple irons out all the kinks in a subsequent update.

The good news is if it's not to your liking, the current Broadwell MBP's are still very capable and likely much cheaper, the day the new ones are unveiled (hopefully in a month).

 

[Macasio]

While Apple is generally pretty good with quality control, bear in mind an all-new MBP will be a first generation design. Meaning living with issues before Apple irons out all the kinks in a subsequent update.

The good news is if it's not to your liking, the current Broadwell MBP's are still very capable and likely much cheaper, the day the new ones are unveiled (hopefully in a month).

How about the 15 inch MBP ? Haswell ...

 

[cmChimera]

Yeah, unless Apple makes the bold and very unlikely decision to put in a top of the line GPU in the computer, there's no way I'm biting the bullet for that again. TB3 and eGPU are the future.

I think they just call that a desktop computer. They've been making them for a while.

 

[Federico87]

While Apple is generally pretty good with quality control, bear in mind an all-new MBP will be a first generation design. Meaning living with issues before Apple irons out all the kinks in a subsequent update.

The good news is if it's not to your liking, the current Broadwell MBP's are still very capable and likely much cheaper, the day the new ones are unveiled (hopefully in a month).

Satchmo you've just read my mind.
After having digged for a while about possible alternatives to a new rMBP, I've come to the conclusion that, unless they don't release an absolute piece of garbage, I'm going to stay with the idea of a bran new mac.

But then, I realized that, after all, a totally new machine, with new HW to be integrated and tuned with the OS, many problems may come out and talking about 1500euros (if we're lucky enough) I don't want to end up with e "defective" machine.
Being this an option, I'm still monitoring the market for the 13" 2015 rMBP..and waiting for WWDC

 

[kevinkyoo]

I think they just call that a desktop computer. They've been making them for a while.

Ah, the smartass comes in again I like how your previous useless comment was met with my reply, and you have yet to respond to it. Are you just trying to save face at this point by making another "snide" remark and giving yourself a high five? How about making some actual contributions instead of acting like a college student who thinks he's part of a pro market because he uses a MBP at Starbucks?

My comment was referring to the fact that Apple relied on the M370X in the most recent model and NVIDIA's mobile GPU's in the one before. These are clearly much more inferior to the other mobile computers in the market at the same price model, but for the reason that Apple aims to make these computers not as bulky. However, of course I've run into the problems that many have in that Apple has already initiated a program for the 2011-2013 retina MacBook Pro's for the video issues. So even though ideally it should be an even trade-off, there's clearly something wrong with how Apple is designing a computer that is clearly not designed for a mobile GPU stuck in there.

With rumors that the computer is going to be even THINNER, I was commenting on how Apple will not pick the top of the line mobile GPU for the computers, and even if they do put in any mobile GPU, it will face the same problems that have plagued the 2011-2013 rMBP's (And even the 2015 one, which I own).

So instead of making a "smart-ass" comment that you think you've made, actually put in some contributions here in the forums and discuss these topics like a normal human being. Otherwise, I think reddit and 4chan are up your alley.

 

[TechZeke]

I don't really understand the dGPU complaints either. I personally actually try to avoid laptops with a dGPU. I've never seen a laptop with a dGPU that didn't have issues with heat, battery life and Linux. dGPU's tend to do more harm than good. Let's just hope for Thunderbolt 3 and a decent external GPU available somewhere this year.

Completely agree. I love my iGPU only rMBP. Great performance and battery life without having to worry about dGPU switching. With that said, I shouldn't be paying the price of comparable systems with high end dGPUs in an Iris Pro only machine regardless.

 

[mjs402]

Ah, the smartass comes in again I like how your previous useless comment was met with my reply, and you have yet to respond to it. Are you just trying to save face at this point by making another "snide" remark and giving yourself a high five? How about making some actual contributions instead of acting like a college student who thinks he's part of a pro market because he uses a MBP at Starbucks?

My comment was referring to the fact that Apple relied on the M370X in the most recent model and NVIDIA's mobile GPU's in the one before. These are clearly much more inferior to the other mobile computers in the market at the same price model, but for the reason that Apple aims to make these computers not as bulky. However, of course I've run into the problems that many have in that Apple has already initiated a program for the 2011-2013 retina MacBook Pro's for the video issues. So even though ideally it should be an even trade-off, there's clearly something wrong with how Apple is designing a computer that is clearly not designed for a mobile GPU stuck in there.

With rumors that the computer is going to be even THINNER, I was commenting on how Apple will not pick the top of the line mobile GPU for the computers, and even if they do put in any mobile GPU, it will face the same problems that have plagued the 2011-2013 rMBP's (And even the 2015 one, which I own).

So instead of making a "smart-ass" comment that you think you've made, actually put in some contributions here in the forums and discuss these topics like a normal human being. Otherwise, I think reddit and 4chan are up your alley.

You know, I am excited for the eGPU solution as well. Hopefully the 15 inch is compatible with the Razer Core. Do I game a lot? No. But when I do, I want it to look beautiful as heck. Iris Pro 580 on the go, and when I'm home and have nothing better to do (other than lurk these forums of course) - I can plug in the Razer Core with a Polaris or Pascal desktop GPU and game on the internal screen.

I don't want a full desktop solution, I think it's redundant. I want the rMBP to be my main machine, and have an add-on component for the eGPU.

I think that is the best solution.. For me anyway.

 

[tofagerl]

I like being able to play EUIV. I don't, really, since I have a PS4 and I played the **** out of EUIV already on my gaming machine, but if I am in a crisis where only EUIV will help, I at least have the opportunity...

 

[kevinkyoo]

You know, I am excited for the eGPU solution as well. Hopefully the 15 inch is compatible with the Razer Core. Do I game a lot? No. But when I do, I want it to look beautiful as heck. Iris Pro 580 on the go, and when I'm home and have nothing better to do (other than lurk these forums of course) - I can plug in the Razer Core with a Polaris or Pascal desktop GPU and game on the internal screen.

I don't want a full desktop solution, I think it's redundant. I want the rMBP to be my main machine, and have an add-on component for the eGPU.

I think that is the best solution.. For me anyway.

Exactly. Before, I believe that the solutions equivalent to the Razer Core were inefficient and/or impractical. To me then, I wanted a laptop with a good dGPU to play games on the go. Then my ****** experiences with the 2012 and 2015 rMBP's have told me that if I want a sleek laptop in an Apple ecosystem that runs proficiently, I'll have to go with the eGPU route.

 

[OSX7]

So we all know that even though there are no Iris Pro 580, 550, iGPUs shipping in any Macbook, their respective device IDs are already present in 10.11.4 kexts. Support for new rMBP is already baked in. Which is (for me) is the strongest indicator that the launch is next month. If it were in the fall, they could have easily added support for those iGPU's in OS X 10.12 or in one of its last betas in August 2016, but they didn't and instead added support last month. Now, concerning the dGPU situation, could someone with spare time check and see if new device IDs have been added that match Polaris, in either 10.11.4 or 10.11.5. I truly doubt they will include a dGPU in the next macbook but you never know. If their IDs are truly missing then it means a lack of a dGPU in a June or pushing it to the Fall where we could find support inside kexts.

 

[tofagerl]

Or it means they'll add the driver on the actual machines like they used to do.

 

[Keniutek]

Well, Kaby Lake is on the horizon... .

 

[Federico87]

Well, Kaby Lake is on the horizon... .

What if.....dreadful what if!

What if, due to the delayed KL release, refreshed rMBP would be release in fall or beginning 2017 to take advantage of the new platform?

This would mean for Apple to entirely skip Skylake (apart for the MB, I know) and have a 2y old Pro mac on the shelves...is it a possible scenario?

 

[freitz]

It's not a dumb move. They simply can't fit a quad core and a dGPU into the 13" chassis due to thermal envelope constraints. Hell, they an barely fit all of that power into the 15" MBP. (I have a 15" with quad i7 and AMD dGPU, and when it gets hot, it gets HOT!) Someone on this forum did research on this issue because there was a very long topic dedicated to this topic. They found that none of Apple's competitors make a 13" notebook with a quad core processor...let alone one with quad cores and a dGPU! Perhaps I missed something, but I just looked myself and I couldn't find a machine that meets your specifications either. All 13" laptops have a dual core processor, even if they have a dGPU. The closest notebook I could find was an MSI gaming laptop that had a Skylake quad core i7 and a 670M dGPU, but it had a 14" screen and it was substantially thicker. It had required 150W power brick, so it presumably has worse battery life too.
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Really? I bought an early 2011 base model cMBP when it new and it cost $1999. If they had been offering a $1799 model I might have gotten that.

Razer Makes a 14" that fits a quad core and a 970m; I bet they have 1/100000 the R&D budget of Apple. And 1/10000 the Market Share.

 

[OSX7]

Razer Makes a 14" that fits a quad core and a 970m; I bet they have 1/100000 the R&D budget of Apple. And 1/10000 the Market Share.

Yeah, and im sure it also has the same 10+ hours of battery life the rMBP 13.....
It's not that they can't, anyone can, Apple choses not to.
Different machines for different people, if performance is the top priority then get a Razer. If OS X, battery life, and design are on the top of your list get a rMBP. Someone in the market for rMBP wouldn't even consider a Razer or vice versa. Different philosophies behind their existence.

 

[2457248]

Razer Makes a 14" that fits a quad core and a 970m; I bet they have 1/100000 the R&D budget of Apple. And 1/10000 the Market Share.

ok, they could, technically fit one, but they don't want to, because they're apple and like to troll people with overpriced and pink gadgets.
happy now?

 

[WRONG]

and pink gadgets.

*rose gold

 

[Brad9893]

Razer Makes a 14" that fits a quad core and a 970m; I bet they have 1/100000 the R&D budget of Apple. And 1/10000 the Market Share.

Well, I don't see what a 14" Razer notebook has to do with anything. You specified a 13" notebook and NOT a 14".

Again, I don't understand why you think it's a dumb move that Apple doesn't make a 13" MBP with a quad core processor and dGPU, especially when no one else does either, largely because it's not feasible. We can see this because competitors like MSI and Razer who make 14" laptops with these specs have compromises with battery life and/or heat. This is one thing that Apple doesn't like to compromise on; they love energy efficiency and fantastic battery life. Like it or not, a dual core processor really is the best choice for a 13".

 

[Wuiffi]

I couldn't care less for a dGPU. iGPU is good enough for 99% of the work that I do.

Furthermore Adobes support for dGPU in Lightroom and Photoshop is lacklustre.

A better screen (DCI-P3, maybe even higher resolution, less glare) and a price cut are needed. At the moment a rMBP with iGPU, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is over 2600€. That's just insane. If they can get it to under 2500€ with 32GB it's a day-one buy.

 

[Macasio]

I don't think that Apple is going to release a bad MacBook Pro Skylake with issues... I think that they are optimizing the new one over 6 months. BTW, there are always mid and late versions, if you want to buy a "MacBook Pro without issues" just wait for the late version