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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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Waiting is making us nervous...(don't want to say killing, cause seems to extreme)
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Among other reasons why I believe I'll never go with a refurb it's battery life.
With a new product, you can tell how long battery is expected to last.
With a refurb, if you're lucky, you can get something near to a new one...but still it's a blind shot
 
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The only thing I want from the next generation is TB3. I'm expecting a speed bump, of course, but the size of the bump won't really matter. The 15" is really fast enough for me already.
 
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Macasio said:
I don't think that Apple is going to release a bad MacBook Pro Skylake with issues... I think that they are optimizing the new one over 6 months. BTW, there are always mid and late versions, if you want to buy a "MacBook Pro without issues" just wait for the late version :apple:
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Of course I've heard this "Apple is optimizing the new one" with MacBooks and iPhones before, and every release there will be posts from members with issues. Don't care to hear how long it takes and the reasons why it will be better because of the wait, it will have issues, guaranteed. ;)
 
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For those wondering if the bezels will be as thin as Dells Infinty bezel...I doubt that's gonna happen. But I can see the bezels getting extremely close to that.

As the laptop size increases, making more room for lid components, the bezel decreases. Think about the 13" and 15" rMBP. The bezel on the 15" is thinner than the 13" noticeably. The 12" rMB bezel is at this point thinner than the 13". So I expect the 15" bezel to be extremely close to the infinity bezel. And of course the 13" bezel will be thinner than the 12" rMB.

Reference: Take a look at the 17" on far right and the 13" far left...and compare the bezels.
 
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Uni Grad said:
View attachment 631422 For those wondering if the bezels will be as thin as Dells Infinty bezel...I doubt that's gonna happen. But I can see the bezels getting extremely close to that.

As the laptop size increases, making more room for lid components, the bezel decreases. Take a look at the 13" and 15". The bezel on the 15" is thinner than the 13" noticeably. The 12" rMB bezel is at this point thinner than the 13". So I expect the 15" bezel to be extremely close to the infinity bezel. And of course the 13" bezel will be thinner than the 12" rMB.

Reference: Take a look at the 17" on far right and the 13" far left...and compare the bezels.
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Good looks Uni Grad.
Also I feel like a minority in this this thread because I am looking forward to the screen update the most. I don't notice a 15% change in CPU speed as much as I notice a better screen. The thought of a non(ish)reflecting true tone display on the new MBP makes me drool.

Has @Serban made any comments on the screen?
 
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Sugarbear33 said:
Good looks Uni Grad.
Also I feel like a minority in this this thread because I am looking forward to the screen update the most. I don't notice a 15% change in CPU speed as much as I notice a better screen. The thought of a non(ish)reflecting true tone display on the new MBP makes me drool.

Has @Serban made any comments on the screen?
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He said that there will be an update to the screen resolution, but nothing more of a comment than that.
 
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freitz said:
Damn that was a long message to quote and to lazy to try and weed out all the stuff.

TL;DR - that weak dual core will bottleneck that GPU. All I need to say and I know this for sure, a desktop i3 will bottleneck a titan. Not sure why you would question this just because you tested it and it gamed fine doesn't mean it would not perform better on a quad core...

Thats great they are releasing a macbook pro without dgpu, but the loss of power and the lack luster performance of the said chip someone posted in here means I will take my 3k to another company for a true portable workstation. Not a 3,000 dollar facebook machine. Not because the Iris gpu can't perform, It barely performs faster then the current gen. So new Gen, no speed/ performance bump on multi-core applications and no dgpu... I sure hope your wrong for the stake of apple stock.

Also there is nothing wrong with the 970M chip. Personally I just need the new Macbook pro to be able to perform on content creation. I couldn't give a rats ass about gaming performance on a macbook pro, that is what my monster machine at home is for. I need a portable workstation. With the less power hungry skylake chipset there is plenty of room for a 970m even in a newer slimmed down version that doesn't exist.
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I disagree, a desktop i3 paired with a Titan X would be very close to the performance of a desktop i7 with a Titan X. (For Gaming)

I can't say I have done this exact test with all the variables controlled. But I have often built gaming computers with i3s by choice in order to build them cheaper. In other applications, of course, the i7 would dominate. But in getting high framerates in video games, It's all about the GPU. I know that I have played games like witcher 3, and ryse, and crysis in 4k, from a 15W dual-core mobile laptop, plugged into an external GPU (either like 980 or titanx) and I know it was real close to the performance of my i7 desktop computer with that gpu inside.


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A polaris dGPU would add at least a 2x increase over current 370x with the same tdp...thats a huge increase and not 10%.

The only way they can justify skipping it across the high end MBP would be to drop at least 500 bucks off the line...but then your left with a huge gap in power in the MBP lineup and would essentially be buying a 1+ year old laptop in terms of performance.

I don't see apple skipping out on their high margin expensive products, but of course with their current track record in the "pro" segment I wouldn't be surprised if they finally put the nail to the coffin.
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vbedia said:
Polaris 11 should be no match for Iris pro 580, let alone 10% faster, if the latest leak is to be true. The single precision floating point performance between these two is more than double. Only this alone makes me think the difference is gonna be more than a mere 10%.

Another question is whether Apple decides to implement it in the MacBook Pro. Personally I think they will. What would be kind of pointless is using a rebrand old 28nm dGPU along with the Iris Pro 580.
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I sure hope they figure out how to put a dgpu and a quad core in 13".
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If a polaris dGPU at 50W or less, really is twice the performance of the the M370X.... Which I really don't believe it will be. Then a macbook pro with that polaris GPU would be worth while option for some people and Apple if 15" Macbook Pro stayed at its current form factor.

However, we believe the MBP to get redesigned, to be thinner, and to be unable to handle as much TDP. So I am afraid it is still quite unlikely.

Unless apple releases a redesigned 13" 15", iGPU only. And then also continues to sell their current 15" rMBP, as the legacy option, like they did with the cMBP. And then just update it to a skylake CPU, and polaris dGPU.
Though I don't really see this happening.
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kevinkyoo said:
He said that there will be an update to the screen resolution, but nothing more of a comment than that.
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I don't believe he said resolution.... he said there would be a change, but not about resolution.


I have a good feeling that tomorrow we will get some ligit benchmarks posted on the graphics performance of the Iris 580 Pro. And I am still standing by my prediction that it will exceed the performance of the current M370X. We will see though.
 
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I hope they cap the RAM at 2 GB because I never use more and it just eats my battery.
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I will not be buying a nMBP if it does not include an option with a dedicated GPU. The integrated graphics card is great for 60% of my usage (and my battery loves it!) but I need the extra grunt for the other 40%.
 
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ShadovvMoon said:
I hope they cap the RAM at 2 GB because I never use more and it just eats my battery.
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I will not be buying a nMBP if it does not include an option with a dedicated GPU. The integrated graphics card is great for 60% of my usage (and my battery loves it!) but I need the extra grunt for the other 40%.
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Thank goodness for that sarcasm tag!

As has been stated many, many times before you will likely never see a 13" MBP with a dGPU. There are numerous technical reasons for this that have nothing to do with Apple. Its the same reason you don't see a quad core in the 13
 
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tofagerl said:
The only thing I want from the next generation is TB3. I'm expecting a speed bump, of course, but the size of the bump won't really matter. The 15" is really fast enough for me already.
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TB3 will be great for sure, but if we get Skylake, I'm also really looking forward to Iris Pro 580 and the much improved power efficiency over Haswell (for rMBP 15).
 
Iris 550 for the 13" macbook. There isn't actually an Iris Pro 550 part, the Pro moniker designates the highest class available.
 
Macasio said:
I don't think that Apple is going to release a bad MacBook Pro Skylake with issues... I think that they are optimizing the new one over 6 months. BTW, there are always mid and late versions, if you want to buy a "MacBook Pro without issues" just wait for the late version :apple:
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What are you talking about?
Early = Jan - April
Mid = May - August
Late = Sept - Dec

Has nothing to do with quality of the product or first gen or anything.
 
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torquer said:
Thank goodness for that sarcasm tag!

As has been stated many, many times before you will likely never see a 13" MBP with a dGPU. There are numerous technical reasons for this that have nothing to do with Apple. Its the same reason you don't see a quad core in the 13
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It is possible....

just not possible to be smaller, power efficient, smaller battery; its against apples upgrade path. I was simply saying they should do it. It could be a great differentiator.

Technically the issue would be purely thickness, size, and battery draw. On the current 13" they can fit a quad core with a dgpu under the skylake form factor, it is possible. Draw backs would be half the battery capacity since you need to make up space.
 
What are your thoughts on seeing an OLED MacBook in 2018. They'll probably keep the same design of the upcoming ones with an OLED screen.
That is if they can get OLED iPhones out by 2017.
 
Is it possible to somehow run OSX on a Razer? I think I will be buying one of those if there is no significant update at WWDC.
 
kevinkyoo said:
He said that there will be an update to the screen resolution, but nothing more of a comment than that.
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I said you will notice a difference in screen quality :)
[doublepost=1463378367][/doublepost]Mattasa has a good point. For gaming its crucial a good gpu rather than a good cpu. Its nice to have them both
 
This thread with almost 12000 posts has now overtaken the "the-i-just-ordered-bought-got-my-new-refurb-mbp" sticky running since the year 2009.

Does it mean there are more people waiting for skylake than bought a MBP in the last 7 years? :)
 
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