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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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With the 13" rMBP, that depends on whether you think they should move to a different series chip in order to accelerate product iteration. I've lost track (due to lack of personal interest) on where the Intel/Apple situation is on chip availability for 15" rMBP updates.
That got a smile from me, but you make a good point. There's really almost nothing inherently good or bad about a specific keyboard, certainly nothing that's more or less "accurate." The question is how it works as an HID for a specific human.
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"What's mildly amusing is people thought "October" was possible..."
Except that the whole premise was useless. You could substitute Cannonlake and provide just as much information. There is no evidence, heck as far as I am aware there isn't even a decent rumor, that identifies a suitable version of the Skylake CPU being available from Intel in 2015.
We JUST found out that there wouldn't be. If anything ALL indications pointed to there being Skylake chips available until the last few days.
You're absolutely right. The post in question was yesterday, after the info had been released and extensively hashed and rehashed here.
After reading comments and reviews on gamer custom builder sites seems like Skylake isn't all that. The Z170 motherboards are the real coolness for future proofing.
The folks who say Skylake will come with a redesign are probably right. I'm guessing next WWDC - probably a 15" that looks like the new Macbook, with a skylake quad using that new Iris Pro. That IGP with 72 execution units and 128 MB eDRAM will probably be as fast, or faster than the R9 m370x in the MBP I just bought. 
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Going on the ropey methodology of expecting roughly similar lengths of times between releases of the MBP (15"):
May 19th 2015 - October 27th 2015 (Late October Special Event) is about 160 days.
October 27th 2015 to 6th June 2016 (WWDC 2016) is 223 days.
If you're expecting Skylake (with a redesign maybe at that time) at WWDC - wouldn't you expect at least a bump this October -February time? Or for Apple to go (160+223) ~380 days.
Previous times between 15" MBP refreshes:
May 19th 2015 - July 29th 2014 294 days
July 29th 2014 - October 22 2013 280 days
October 22 2013 - February 13 2013 251 days
February 13 2013 - June 11, 2012 217 days
We'll know when Apple announces, maybe many months from now. With Apple pushing Crystalwell on Intel, wanting eDRAM on CPUs, moving towards integrated GPUs, wouldn't they have first dibs on some eDRAM CPUs? Or would they just let Microsoft & Surface 4 have bragging rights for 8 months? Same with TB3, USB-C etc - wouldn't Apple want to get priority on shipping a product with work they've had a hand in?
If you take the optimistic side - why wouldn't Intel keep shtum about a few CPUs that they'll announce when Apple announces new Skylake hardware?
May 19th 2015 - October 27th 2015 (Late October Special Event) is about 160 days.
October 27th 2015 to 6th June 2016 (WWDC 2016) is 223 days.
If you're expecting Skylake (with a redesign maybe at that time) at WWDC - wouldn't you expect at least a bump this October -February time? Or for Apple to go (160+223) ~380 days.
Previous times between 15" MBP refreshes:
May 19th 2015 - July 29th 2014 294 days
July 29th 2014 - October 22 2013 280 days
October 22 2013 - February 13 2013 251 days
February 13 2013 - June 11, 2012 217 days
We'll know when Apple announces, maybe many months from now. With Apple pushing Crystalwell on Intel, wanting eDRAM on CPUs, moving towards integrated GPUs, wouldn't they have first dibs on some eDRAM CPUs? Or would they just let Microsoft & Surface 4 have bragging rights for 8 months? Same with TB3, USB-C etc - wouldn't Apple want to get priority on shipping a product with work they've had a hand in?
If you take the optimistic side - why wouldn't Intel keep shtum about a few CPUs that they'll announce when Apple announces new Skylake hardware?
Whenever the appropriate processors are available + 3 months for Skylake..
They could definitely do a broadwell bump, whenever they feel like it for the 15", but they bumped the 15" in May and the Broadwells were announced in June
see a post I made last month ->
the Skylake MBP will be a comprehensive, end-to-end redesign. It is worth the wait.
the original MBP (January 10, 2006) - the unibody MBP (October 14, 2008) = 1009 days
the unibody MBP (October 14, 2008) - the Retina MBP (June 11, 2012) = 1337 days
the Retina MBP (June 11, 2012) - the Skylake MBP (early 2016 ~ March) = 1369 days
(or mid 2016 ~ WWDC) = 1457 days
the original MBP (January 10, 2006) - the unibody MBP (October 14, 2008) = 1009 days
the unibody MBP (October 14, 2008) - the Retina MBP (June 11, 2012) = 1337 days
the Retina MBP (June 11, 2012) - the Skylake MBP (early 2016 ~ March) = 1369 days
(or mid 2016 ~ WWDC) = 1457 days
I hit well over double that while typing on my lap in an uncomfortable position. At typeracer, where I've competed for some time, mostly on my mechanical keyboards at my desk, I've set many personal bests on the Macbook keyboard, often in the 95-98th percentile over there.
There is no problem typing fast and accurately on the new keyboard. It has fantastic feedback especially for a laptop.
Hmm i dont know how to explain in words..but after typing a full week, its clear bec of the larger keys and the thinner layer of it, some times on my 15" mbp if i hurry too much i dont travel all the way down from time to time some keys, and i have to come back and press it/those again
you might be right they will probably just update the 15 with broadwell now to keep all their macs on the same processors until next year
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Its all based on personal opinion. I can't stand the Macbook keyboard. It is the worst laptop keyboard I've ever used, so I hope Apple continues to offer the older keyboard to this who want it.
God I hope not. Wish Apple would turn the MBA into a Macbook Pro Lite, and then leave the MBP as a computer that trade offs are not made for thinness.
MBA into "Pro Lite"? No way. In time, say two years, the MBA will be phased out in favor of MB.
It would give an option for those who want a Macbook Pro that prioritises thinness over performance/features etc and an option for those who want a full desktop replacement, for whom the MBP is already thin enough. And by beefing up the Macbook Air into a machine between the Macbook and the Macbook Pro, it would no longer be an Air anyway, so it would be phased out.
Just popping in this thread to say I'm pretty darn excited about Skylake! I'm still rocking my first gen rMBP i7 maxed out, and it's actually really fast still, but the battery life is weak, and the integrated GPU isn't great - the discreet GPU isn't that great either. While I'd prefer to have a discreet GPU, I've resolved myself to the fact that we're going to get Intel's latest and greatest integrated graphics. That's fine, I guess.
I REALLY would love to see Apple go w/ the mobile Xeon chips + ECC, instead of the standard chips, but we'll see... probably a longshot. And if they're thinking about bringing back the 17" model (another super longshot), sign me up for that too!
All in all, if all I get is a redesigned rMBP 15" w/ Intel's latest and greatest, including TB3, i'll be happy.
I REALLY would love to see Apple go w/ the mobile Xeon chips + ECC, instead of the standard chips, but we'll see... probably a longshot. And if they're thinking about bringing back the 17" model (another super longshot), sign me up for that too!
All in all, if all I get is a redesigned rMBP 15" w/ Intel's latest and greatest, including TB3, i'll be happy.
Maybe the XEON + ECC memory will be a "Ultimate" option next to the Good, better, best they always seem to use??? For powerhouse users this could be a plus but for the average joe, photographer, videographer, etc... It wouldn't be that much of a bonus I guess?
AFAIK, there are or will be NO Intel i7 mobile CPUs at the range of rMBP 15's TDP requirements... Apple has to wait until the availability of Skylake processors. Otherwise, if they had the slightest hope, they wouldn't commit the mid-2015 bump to 15" rMBP, practically only changing to Touch Force Trackpad and higher speed Flash Storage plus a new external video card.you might be right they will probably just update the 15 with broadwell now to keep all their macs on the same processors until next year
I hope they don't make it thinner. To be honest I had very bad luck with my macbook air. The hard drive defective after 2 months of purchase, and the air would freeze on me, and the top gets extremely hot. It got to the point where i sold it. All i did was watch youtube and music on it. I don't think they can make the mbp as thin though cause the graphic board can't be made that thin no?
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