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mafaky said:
...they wouldn't commit the mid-2015 bump to 15" rMBP, practically only changing to Touch Force Trackpad and higher speed Flash Storage plus a new external video card.
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"Only"??? These are significant hardware changes that have real impact on the use and performance of the Macbook Pro. I know, I'm using one right now. People act like the processor is the WHOLE computer, when in reality most wouldn't notice a generational processor upgrade in their day-to-day usage.

Faster startups and file transfers, longer battery life, improved Open CL performance, and advanced trackpad technology are not "meh" features!
 
prospervic said:
"Only"??? These are significant hardware changes that have real impact on the use and performance of the Macbook Pro. I know, I'm using one right now. People act like the processor is the WHOLE computer, when in reality most wouldn't notice a generational processor upgrade in their day-to-day usage.

Faster startups and file transfers, longer battery life, improved Open CL performance, and advanced trackpad technology are not "meh" features!
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These are changes but that for a normal user would make very little if not noticeable difference.
Since the previous machine was already a real beast the actual difference would be only perceived when doing some specific and heavy operations, not in the daily usage.
only the trackpad technology affects the constant usage, but it cannot be describe as a deep change, maybe the technology behind it than the final result compared to what a user was currently having before.
 
Thunderboltedge said:
These are changes but that for a normal user would make very little if not noticeable difference.
Since the previous machine was already a real beast the actual difference would be only perceived when doing some specific and heavy operations, not in the daily usage.
only the trackpad technology affects the constant usage, but it cannot be describe as a deep change, maybe the technology behind it than the final result compared to what a user was currently having before.
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But you're comparing to the previous model. Most who own the 2014 rMBP aren't likely planning to upgrade right now anyway. A better comparison would be to 2012 rMBP (which I had, and I can assure you the upgrades are VERY noticeable) and earlier models.
(And why would anybody shell out $2k - $3k for a premium laptop only for "daily usage" and not perform any "specific and heavy operations"?)
 
The SSD transfer rates in the latest rMBPs are ridiculously fast. The upgrade to the SSD speed was largely unreported as the media were more interested in the processor and dGPU changes.

Can't find the exact figures but I believe the 2015 SSD is roughly 200%-300% faster than a 2012 SSD.

I doubt we will see a triple figure percentage improvement in SSD speed when the new model comes out. In real world use SSD speed can have a far more dramatic impact on perceived performance when compared to a bump in processor power.
 
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And why would anybody shell out $2k - $3k for a premium laptop only for "daily usage" and not perform any "specific and heavy operations"?
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Why not? Maybe $2k is more to you than others. I have the 2015 "Ultimate" 13" rMBP ($2200) and all I use it for is web surfing. Doesn't bother me in the least.
 
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frosse said:
You are a minority, sir.
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I disagree. Almost any computer user who would have bought a MBP in 2010 (half a decade) ago would still be able to perform almost anything they want to do today just fine. 90% of Mac's base are everyday users who want to be able to surf the web, play music and movies, type word documents, etc. It's like iPhones... people don't upgrade because they have to, they do it because they want to.
 
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I disagree. Almost any computer user who would have bought a MBP in 2010 (half a decade) ago would still be able to perform almost anything they want to do today just fine. 90% of Mac's base are everyday users who want to be able to surf the web, play music and movies, type word documents, etc. It's like iPhones... people don't upgrade because they have to, they do it because they want to.
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I agree, most people don't upgrade because their previous model simply can't handle what they need to do anymore
 
Aluminum213 said:
I agree, most people don't upgrade because their previous model simply can't handle what they need to do anymore
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I'm still rockin' my mid-2012 rMBP, seems pretty fast for most of the things that I do on the daily. Then again, I'm not moving tons of files often, I'm using an external magic trackpad, and I doubt I'd notice new video cards. That being said, small things keep going wrong with my computer, just got it back from Apple, they had to replace the logic board, heat sink, and top case. With only less than 3 months left on my Apple Care, I've been waiting for a newer model or redesign, and with the iPhone event on Wednesday I figured there might be a new one coming either then or next WWDC in June.

Skylake sounds like a great addition, can't wait til it's out. Then hopefully give this rMBP to the wife and sell her 2011 MBP that she hardly uses while she's in school.
 
chriscrowlee said:
I disagree. Almost any computer user who would have bought a MBP in 2010 (half a decade) ago would still be able to perform almost anything they want to do today just fine. 90% of Mac's base are everyday users who want to be able to surf the web, play music and movies, type word documents, etc. It's like iPhones... people don't upgrade because they have to, they do it because they want to.
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I agree with that statement. What I meant is that if you're not a power user (i.e. you only surf the web etc.) You're a minority for using the top of the line rMBP. Most non-power users that buy the rMBP go for the base model. Therefore your Mac has been less affected after these 5 years.

Edit: For example, I own an MBP from 2010, base model, and it's a total wreck.
 
frosse said:
I agree with that statement. What I meant is that if you're not a power user (i.e. you only surf the web etc.) You're a minority for using the top of the line rMBP. Most non-power users that buy the rMBP go for the base model. Therefore your Mac has been less affected after these 5 years.
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Yeah I'd probably bite and go with you on that statement.
 
frosse said:
I agree with that statement. What I meant is that if you're not a power user (i.e. you only surf the web etc.) You're a minority for using the top of the line rMBP. Most non-power users that buy the rMBP go for the base model. Therefore your Mac has been less affected after these 5 years.

Edit: For example, I own an MBP from 2010, base model, and it's a total wreck.
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I'm upgrading from a base model 13' MBP, technically still works fine and does when I mostly want it do, just time for something new

It's naive to think all macbook pro are always using 100% of the technological capabilities of the laptop, I would guess it's maybe 20% at most. Most just want the retina screen
 
There are always going to be people that tick every option box available. Some of them do it because they need the option, others because they always buy the best even if they don't need it.

How many high performance cars do you ever see being driven flat out? Very few, yet people still pay a huge premium for them.
 
Aluminum213 said:
I'm upgrading from a base model 13' MBP, technically still works fine and does when I mostly want it do, just time for something new

It's naive to think all macbook pro are always using 100% of the technological capabilities of the laptop, I would guess it's maybe 20% at most. Most just want the retina screen
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yeah... there's usually a hook... retina screen... new keyboard... new trackpad.... new fingerprint reader... etc. It's how the tech world gets people coming back.
 
Thunderboltedge said:
These are changes but that for a normal user would make very little if not noticeable difference.
Since the previous machine was already a real beast the actual difference would be only perceived when doing some specific and heavy operations, not in the daily usage.
only the trackpad technology affects the constant usage, but it cannot be describe as a deep change, maybe the technology behind it than the final result compared to what a user was currently having before.
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Ok.
If looking to a 2012 model the story changes. When you say upgrade I thought referring to the latest version before the 2015. If we compare to a model of 2012 than the overall experience will sensibly improved and reason to upgrade with it
 
Yes the difference between a 2012 model and this new 2015 model(if will be upgraded to skylake) will be a noticeable difference. No more lag, the iGPU is more than twice as capable than HD4000, no more UI lag, the SSD are faster,the heat will be not so noticeable, the battery will have at least 2h usage more..and so on..
 
Serban said:
Yes the difference between a 2012 model and this new 2015 model(if will be upgraded to skylake) will be a noticeable difference. No more lag, the iGPU is more than twice as capable than HD4000, no more UI lag, the SSD are faster,the heat will be not so noticeable, the battery will have at least 2h usage more..and so on..
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And add El Cap's (supposed) ass-kicking performance compared to Yosemite it will be a sweet ride :)
 
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Serban said:
Yes the difference between a 2012 model and this new 2015 model(if will be upgraded to skylake) will be a noticeable difference. No more lag, the iGPU is more than twice as capable than HD4000, no more UI lag, the SSD are faster,the heat will be not so noticeable, the battery will have at least 2h usage more..and so on..
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the current 2015 MBP lags? I haven't read that anywhere
 
frosse said:
You are a minority, sir.
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i have an early 2013 rMBP top of the line. that i use for web surfing, lightroom, photoshop, emails, word processing and some spreadsheets :cool:. I'm about to upgrade to a 15" with skylake :p
 
Lot of little birdies out tonight in San Francisco. The consensus is that there’s only going to be one Apple event this fall, and it’s tomorrow. So if there’s an iPad Pro, it’s coming tomorrow, no matter how much or how little sense that makes.
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Gruber talking more about iPad Pro being rolled into today's iPhone/ATV event rather than a separate October event. So if no October event, no October event to have an announcement of a refreshed Mac (MBP Or otherwise)?
 
Will be pleasantly surprised if there is any mention of the Mac at today's event.
 
n7g said:
Will be pleasantly surprised if there is any mention of the Mac at today's event.
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Agreed. There will probably be another event in October, with the release of El Cap.

Here's the history of events:

2013:
September 10: Apple announced the iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S
October 22: Apple announced iPad Air and iPad Mini with Retina Display, also upgrading its MacBook Pro lineup

2014:
September 9: Apple announced iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus, as well as Apple Watch
October 16: Apple announced iPad Air 2 and iPad Mini 3, iMac with 5K display and new Mac Mini

This sounds reasonable:

2015:
September 9: iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus, iPad Pro?
October ??: New iPad Air and iPad Mini, Some new Mac
 
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