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Aditya_S said:
You have a point, I can always buy the adapter. But the other problem is moving to less powerful 15W CPUs in the 13". I'm pretty sure this would make it less powerful than the previous gen MBP from what I know.
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What makes you think that Apple is going to use 15w CPUs?

goobot said:
Except literally everyone still uses the type A connector. Removing it completely on a pro machine doesn't sound like a good idea. Giving it one during the next 2 years or so would be the smart idea that way while everything moves to type c you can still use your current stuff. Then when everything currently being sold is type c they can remove it.
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Or just remove it. If you have a device that uses USB-A that you need to connect to your MBP, then either get an adapter or get a new cable. If neither of those options are good enough for you, don't buy a new MBP until you're ready for USB-C. Honestly, if someone is going to spend 2-3000 dollars on a computer, having to get a $10 adapter for their legacy devices is not going to kill them.

Federico87 said:
Come on, seriously? Just think about all the peripherals available as of today on the market and imagine yourself having to connect each one to a hub or an adpater!
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And next year, you won't. This is how technology moves forward.
 
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goobot said:
Except literally everyone still uses the type A connector. Removing it completely on a pro machine doesn't sound like a good idea. Giving it one during the next 2 years or so would be the smart idea that way while everything moves to type c you can still use your current stuff. Then when everything currently being sold is type c they can remove it.
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And then after those two years have passed people will be like:
"Some still use USB-A, Apple has to include them for at least 2 years" and so on.
 
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It's like pulling teeth from people. The tooth needs to come out, if not now, then when? Think of this as a blessing because in this case.. You can still plug your teeth back into your gums... With an adaptor...?

Wow, that got strange quickly.
 
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Federico87 said:
Nobody here is saying the new rMBP shouldn't have a USB-C port, what we're saying is that it shouldn't have JUST a USB-C port
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And nobody is suggesting/talking about a SINGLE USB-C port. What we are talking about is the removal of USB-A ports completely, we cannot keep on dragging that standard. Like @mjs402's analogy, the tooth needs to come out or it will hurt indefinitely. We need more companies to take USB-C seriously, the longer USB-A is included the lazier they get, and keep on releasing USB A products. But, if a big player like Apple goes full speed ahead with USB-C, companies will follow, with numerous new accessories afterwards.
 
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We need both usability and forward thinking, that's clear
[doublepost=1463948716][/doublepost]Guys...not to alarm anyone, but here in Europe many Refurbished stores (IT, FR, DE) show empty sections.

The US one is still working

I don't know if it depends on technical issues or on something else..
 
I don't think Apple will ever maintain what in their plans is already a legacy port. It wouldn't be how they do things normally.
It is more likely the next macbook pro will have 2 USB-C ports, than one USB-C and one USB-A. More ports? As if...
 
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OSX7 said:
And then after those two years have passed people will be like:
"Some still use USB-A, Apple has to include them for at least 2 years" and so on.
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mjs402 said:
It's like pulling teeth from people. The tooth needs to come out, if not now, then when? Think of this as a blessing because in this case.. You can still plug your teeth back into your gums... With an adaptor...?

Wow, that got strange quickly.
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What you guys forget is that Apple removes past standards only when they have a system in place to completely replace them. The optical drive was removed in 2012 but only when Apple already did things like launch an App Store 3 years earlier to replace os updates and software distribution. They worked with hp to remove the need for drivers on printers and made it so the computer would just download them if needed. They made digital music the standard for years. Usb drives became the standard for moving files back and forth and had finally the same capacities if not more. They didn't just suddenly remove it before they had this all in place. Yes the air was the exception but that is the equivalent to today's MacBook. It's built on the compromise of thinness which some users are ok with.

Usb A is still the standard to the point that Apple still only sells iOS devices with those cables. To rid the pro of type a connectors before they even offer the c as an option is poor planning. Just like how they kept the optical drive during the conversation away from it the current machines should have both until the conversation has momentum. Yes people will always complain but there is a time and place for everything. Trashing the standard of ports across all devices this early on in a pro machine is very extreme.

The sad thing is Apple seems to have become a company which no longer has the goal of selling great computers but to nickel and dime its customers. I can see Apple doing it just to sell a bunch of adapters at 95% profit. The reason I and many others don't want an adapter is because why should I carry this thing around with me everywhere I go just to do things that are basic? What kind of pro/portable machine is that?

Again 2 years from now when c is much more of a standard they could trash it because it wouldn't any longer be a detrimental change. For those who want to keep A they have machines that have both that had been available for 2 years and then adapter become a viable excuse because it would only be used in the rare case.
 
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Dean Yu said:
Are you sure? :)
The m7-6y75 MacBook scores about 6800 multicore in geekbench, which is equivalent to a maxed out MBA and a mid-high MBP 13 from last year.
Now think about i7-6560U and iris 540...
The 28W U series processer is only used by few OEMs and Apple now.
Look into the history, the 13" MacBook (pro) had been using 35w C2D T-series chips untill 2008, when the 25W P-series came out. That was the time when 15W ULT SL-Series C2D was just born and very weak, stays on the MBA until Sandybridge 15W ULT came in 2011, which gives MBA a huge boost in performance.
For now the preformance gain form 28W U does not pay off the extra power consumption form extra wattage. Untill 28W QC come out, the 15W U is the way to go. :)
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From what I understand the rMB benchmark scores are to be taken with a pinch of salt as they only provide a point of reference for comparison. Upon continuous usage the benchmark scores were seen diving by more than 50% due to thermal throttling.
 
Federico87 said:
We need both usability and forward thinking, that's clear
[doublepost=1463948716][/doublepost]Guys...not to alarm anyone, but here in Europe many Refurbished stores (IT, FR, DE) show empty sections.

The US one is still working

I don't know if it depends on technical issues or on something else..
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Yeah I've been checking the Irish one daily and it's also suddenly empty as well.
 
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goobot said:
What you guys forget is that Apple removes past standards only when they have a system in place to completely replace them. The optical drive was removed in 2012 but only when Apple already did things like launch an App Store 3 years earlier to replace os updates and software distribution. They worked with hp to remove the need for drivers on printers and made it so the computer would just download them if needed. They made digital music the standard for years. Usb drives became the standard for moving files back and forth and had finally the same capacities if not more. They didn't just suddenly remove it before they had this all in place. Yes the air was the exception but that is the equivalent to today's MacBook. It's built on the compromise of thinness which some users are ok with.

Usb A is still the standard to the point that Apple still only sells iOS devices with those cables. To rid the pro of type a connectors before they even offer the c as an option is poor planning. Just like how they kept the optical drive during the conversation away from it the current machines should have both until the conversation has momentum. Yes people will always complain but there is a time and place for everything. Trashing the standard of ports across all devices this early on in a pro machine is very extreme.

The sad thing is Apple seems to have become a company which no longer has the goal of selling great computers but to nickel and dime its customers. I can see Apple doing it just to sell a bunch of adapters at 95% profit. The reason I and many others don't want an adapter is because why should I carry this thing around with me everywhere I go just to do things that are basic? What kind of pro/portable machine is that?

Again 2 years from now when c is much more of a standard they could trash it because it wouldn't any longer be a detrimental change. For those who want to keep A they have machines that have both that had been available for 2 years and then adapter become a viable excuse because it would only be used in the rare case.
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Thank you goobot, finally someone able to see behind the "Apple did this or that so they surely have a strategy and since it's Apple this must be the winning strategy".

Guys, Apple is not Job's Apple anymore (and even back in the days they made lot of mistakes), just accept it.
They are a very good and reliable company when it comes to integrate HW and SW, making the final product a jewel, releasing mixing design with high-end engineering solutions, but they're not the only one on the planet.
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oserere said:
Yeah I've been checking the Irish one daily and it's also suddenly empty as well.
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What do you think guys? Shall we worry about this? :p
 
I still think they are going to jettison the USB-A ports. It's very Apple-like and it would mirror what they did with the original iMac in 1998. With that machine, they removed all of the old, legacy Apple I/O like ADB and SCSI in favor of USB 1.1 only. As far as I remember, it was the first computer that shipped with USB as standard. By removing all of the old ports, they were able to help spur a transition and foster the development of USB peripherals faster than what might have happened otherwise. Apple isn't afraid to make a clean break with technology that they think has outlived its usefulness, and they certainly are not a company that has ever cared much about backwards compatibility. They are not Microsoft. Thinking that Apple will keep USB-A around just because most everything uses it today is short sighted in my opinion, especially when a more advanced technology is waiting to replace it and will be widely adopted (like USB-C).

I think they are going to do what they think will make the new MBP better in the long run; they aren't just going to look at how it works today, but tomorrow as well (and this is something that they might think takes precedence). And honestly, if I am going to buy a computer that costs over $2000, I am not going to worry about picking up an adapter a $10 to make my USB-A stuff work today.

On the other hand, I do think that removing the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone would be an extremely bad idea because there is no industry wide replacement ready to take over. And using a proprietary connecter like Lightning for something like headphones seems even stupider because it will drastically reduce the number of headphones available for Apple devices. Considering my stance on the new MBP having USB-A, I might be a hypocrite. I don't know.
 
Dean Yu said:
Are you sure? :)
The m7-6y75 MacBook scores about 6800 multicore in geekbench, which is equivalent to a maxed out MBA and a mid-high MBP 13 from last year.
Now think about i7-6560U and iris 540...
The 28W U series processer is only used by few OEMs and Apple now.
Look into the history, the 13" MacBook (pro) had been using 35w C2D T-series chips untill 2008, when the 25W P-series came out. That was the time when 15W ULT SL-Series C2D was just born and very weak, stays on the MBA until Sandybridge 15W ULT came in 2011, which gives MBA a huge boost in performance.
For now the preformance gain form 28W U does not pay off the extra power consumption form extra wattage. Untill 28W QC come out, the 15W U is the way to go. :)
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I am not sure what you are saying here, the 13" mbp have been using 28w for the last 3 generations. And will again this time.very few oems use them, Apple used them because they are more powerful and have faster graphics.

If apple was to switch to 15W cpu this generation it would be weaker in cpu power than the 28w ones, and much weaker in graphics power than the 28w ones.
 
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