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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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No, you just forgot the unibody mbp, which was a complete redesign just 2,5 years after the 2006 MBP.
Here are my thought's only the redesign
Simple indications.
- MacBooks all metal design
- iPad Pro having a better display than MBP
- Intel Skylake platform (and I'm saying platform not only chipset)
- The switch to USB-C
My thoughts personally:
- All metal series 7000 aluminum body.
- Incredibly high pixel display (especially since the iPad Pro now has more pixels than the 15" rMBP at half it's price, we might even get 5K on the 15").
- Completely redesigned smaller and denser Logicboard.
- Intel Skylake chipset.
- WiGig wifi
- Wireless charging
- Wireless display connecting
- USB-C ports
- Thunderbolt 3
- Better battery life
- Increased graphics performance
- DDR4 RAM
- Redesigned speaker system
And of course 480p FaceTime camera.
Make no mistake. A redesign doesn't not mean it'll look completely different. The new MacBook's design is very recognizable and yet at the same time it's considered a completely new design.
I expect the same thing with the MBP. It's not going to be a shocking redesign like the Mac Pro was. It'll be more like the MacBook and iPhone 6S, the same yet everything is different.
Simple indications.
- MacBooks all metal design
- iPad Pro having a better display than MBP
- Intel Skylake platform (and I'm saying platform not only chipset)
- The switch to USB-C
My thoughts personally:
- All metal series 7000 aluminum body.
- Incredibly high pixel display (especially since the iPad Pro now has more pixels than the 15" rMBP at half it's price, we might even get 5K on the 15").
- Completely redesigned smaller and denser Logicboard.
- Intel Skylake chipset.
- WiGig wifi
- Wireless charging
- Wireless display connecting
- USB-C ports
- Thunderbolt 3
- Better battery life
- Increased graphics performance
- DDR4 RAM
- Redesigned speaker system
And of course 480p FaceTime camera.
Make no mistake. A redesign doesn't not mean it'll look completely different. The new MacBook's design is very recognizable and yet at the same time it's considered a completely new design.
I expect the same thing with the MBP. It's not going to be a shocking redesign like the Mac Pro was. It'll be more like the MacBook and iPhone 6S, the same yet everything is different.
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I hope that's some serious snark that my brain isn't recognizing. The 5MP Facetime cameras of the iPhone 6S/6S Plus give me hope.
absolutely nothing you said completely guarantees anything, unless you don't know the meaning of guarantee then that's another issue
Don't get offended because you're throwing around guarantees based on nothing, sport
Catching up on this thread it's amusing that people even had the slightest bit of hope of something at yesterday's keynote.
We already established that the processors are not ready. End of story.
We already established that the processors are not ready. End of story.
Yes.
The first unibody design in 2008 was markedly different from the original Macbook Pro from 2006. Search for pictures of each and it's obvious there are major differences.
The built in battery of 2009 was subtle and didn't change the overall look, but it was only a year after the original unibody. The 2012 redesign was just that: a redesigned chassis, which produced a thinner overall machine, especially the base/keyboard.
If Apple waits until next Spring to release the next Macbook Pro, I think it will very likely be a redesign, given that it will have been over 3 years since the 2012 redesign. And since USB-C with Thunderbolt will be the next Big Thing, a redesign is even more likely.
Then again, we could see an October or November event in which Apple only presents Macs (new 21.5" 4K iMac and Skylake upgrades to MBA, MBP, and Mini) since they pretty much covered all the iOS stuff yesterday.
Yes, but you forgot the new zero-bezel design and the nostrilcam that will replace the FT camera.
First, as Toddzrx posted in #1288, to say the 2008 unibody is not a redesign is completely incorrect. The unibody encompassed myriad changes, not the least of which was a dramatically different manufacturing process to mill enclosures from an extruded block of aluminum, one that Jobs and Ive were justifiably proud of at that time as a laptop industry first. See: http://appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/14/apple_details_new_macbook_manufacturing_process
Second, having a slightly thinner design alone should not qualify as being a "redesign," and if it did, the 2008 unibody was 0.05" thinner than the 2006 model, so I think you would at least have to be consistent with your criteria for what constitutes a "same visual design." Also, the 13" rMBP got thinner in 2013 by 0.04", but I don't think anyone considers that justification for calling it a redesign compared to the 2012 version. The 2012 rMBPs were obviously a redesign, but certainly not just because they got slightly thinner. It's far more important that they got retina screens, HDMI ports, lost optical disk drives and spinning hard drives, etc.
If there were enough wholesale changes for Wikipedia to label a MBP a new generation, I think that's probably what the vast majority of people would agree consitutes a redesign. Wikipedia lists exactly 3 MBP generations thus far: 1st generation in 2006, 2nd generation (unibody) in 2008, and 3rd generation (retina) in 2012. Anything in between, including a changed battery in 2009 or being 0.04" thinner in 2013, is just an update. Simple.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro
I'm not offended sport
Better yet... I still guarantee it. I just don't see any point in trying to convince you. There are obviously a lot of factors more so than I have mentioned before.
The fact that they've kept a 2013 processor for so long. The 14nm process is going shrink the logic board and free up space. The internals are going to need to be redesigned. The current speaker grills on the side of the 15"don't offer the quality sound that could be offered now, if redesigned, see MacBook and iPad Pro. So I'm sure they're going to rethink that.
The fan system is going to be rethought because Skylake is hella more energy and heat efficient than Haswell, So is the new Iris Pro. We're unsure if they're sticking with discrete gpu's but if they do whatever dGPU they choose that too will be an improvement in energy and heat over the current R9.
I could go on and on...
But I'm just being a sport about this ol' sport. You don't think that there will be.
No hard feelings
I still guarantee it (whether I know the meaning of guarantee or not).
I'm not offended sport
Better yet... I still guarantee it. I just don't see any point in trying to convince you. There are obviously a lot of factors more so than I have mentioned before.
The fact that they've kept a 2013 processor for so long. The 14nm process is going shrink the logic board and free up space. The internals are going to need to be redesigned. The current speaker grills on the side of the 15"don't offer the quality sound that could be offered now, if redesigned, see MacBook and iPad Pro. So I'm sure they're going to rethink that.
The fan system is going to be rethought because Skylake is hella more energy and heat efficient than Haswell, So is the new Iris Pro. We're unsure if they're sticking with discrete gpu's but if they do whatever dGPU they choose that too will be an improvement in energy and heat over the current R9.
I could go on and on...
But I'm just being a sport about this ol' sport. You don't think that there will be.
No hard feelings
I still guarantee it (whether I know the meaning of guarantee or not).
It's roughly two thirds the size:
The heat is roughly the same because the focussed on more performance instead of reducing the heat (for the GPU at least). So they can reduce the size a little but, but remember most space is occupied by the RAM and SSD. If they can reduce the needed amount of chips/connectors they can get the logic board by a bit and improve the battery or speakers a bit more.
The current R9 M370x produces around 975gflops of raw calculations the next gen Iris Pro (580GT4e) can produce around 1150gflops. A R9 in most circumstances will be better (more dedicated high-speed RAM for textures and such). But the Iris Pro will reduce the need for a dedicated GPU even more. If Apple puts in a dedicated GPU they better put something amazing otherwise they will hardly sell any.
They reduced the 12" MacBook's logic board by 67% compared to the 11", I repeat 11" MBA. (Same 22nm to 14nm).
All while making the rMB 24% thinner.
If it's one thing I don't doubt it's Apple's engineering prowess. Granted a big part of the 67% reduction in logic board size comes from the fact that there's no need for a fan (which Skylake is rumored to also be able to deliver).
But even if they'll still need a fan I'm sure they'll rethink the way heat dissipates in the new design of the MBP.
I think we'll most certainly see a reduction in ports on the next MBP redesign, further opening up more internal space for battery volume, or a reduction in overall size of the chassis. I'm guessing we'd see 2 USB-C ports at most on the next 13", and keep the sdxc slot, headphone jack, MagSafe, and HDMI. Essentially, there'd be one less port on each side than there is now. That doesn't sound like much, but considering how small these machines are already, that kind of volume being freed up becomes valuable for battery space or cooling purposes.
That is way too many changes for one release, considering new platform (skylake) and new chasis design. 5K display on MBP? You think they gonna double the PPI of the MBP display and say goodbye to battery life? And if I'm not mistaken, the new Iris Pro will be able to drive only a single 5K display. So either you would have to opt for an dedicated GPU with your hypothetical 5K MBP or deal with the limitations with regards to multi-displays set up. Why would Apple do that given the cost and inconvenience, relative to the benefit. The current retina display on MBP is perfectly fine. The iPad Pro's display is only marginally better; I'm not even sure that people will notice a difference between it and the rMBP's. 5K MBP makes no sense to me . So I can guarantee you it won't happen with the next version. Your "guarantee" is really just speculations listing a bunch of new tech. Most of the stuff will turn out to be inaccurate, besides the safe predictions like better battery and increased graphics performance.
5k may be too much (Maybe 4k? 16:10 though), and I'm not sure about intel's proprietary wireless tech, but I think most of the rest is right.
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