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Serban said:
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The future is digital signature, you will be able to sign with your apple pencil with force trackpad etc i dont know still if with next macos you will be able to sign with your pencil on the macbook pro trackpad any legal document etc
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like this https://tenonedesign.com/inklet.php ???

Serban said:
One example that i heard is in testing for so called touch bar is the team behind apple music, on the touch bar you will have the lyrics for example from the song you are currently listen.I never think of that but it is a nice touch by Apple and very clear to see on oled display with black background and white
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[doublepost=1464121028][/doublepost]i hope for more to find out soon
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Update: seems that reminders too or notifications will no longer pop up in the right upper corner of the macos screen but on the touch bar
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Sounds cheap like a chinese 'feature' from uprising manufacturers... =/

Imagine I am sitting super relaxed, my back has 45 degrees angle, half laying on my chair. I simply wont see any of those notifications I think. Also who cares about lyrics these days? 0.01 % of users ? Sounds very ridiculous !!!!
 
yes, i think that is for global and just to them to have it, lyrics its a better thing than nothing to be displayed right? so i guess apple will always use the touch bar for every app is some way
 
People are scared of change and apparently love their function keys. I gotta say I don't really use them that much... I do use a lot of keyboard shortcuts but they're all on the letter/numerical part of the keyboard. Function keys are pressed maybe 1 in a 1000? I'm sure Apple knows which keys we use the least used and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the top row of your keyboard. The fact that we've had F keys since the first PC's doesn't mean they need to stay forever. The floppy disk does indeed come to mind.

So I would actually be excited to see innovation in how that part of the laptop real estate is put to better use. And maybe add haptics - I always forget which key is volume up and down, but if it would vibrate once for down and twice for up I'd know.

But I sure hope it goes beyond just replacing current F key features. Looking at this thread and some additional thoughts, what about:
- App specific contextual items (shortcuts, menu items etc)
- Alerts and notifications
- Menu bar & dock replacement
- This would also breing a more iPad Pro-style multitasking approach to Mac, with the entire main screen filled with one or more apps only. All other items like menu bar, dock, sidebar are relegated to a screen on the keyboard)
- Visual copy/paste (instead of guessing what's on your clipboard, you can see it)
- iTunes (and other media app) mini player with track info
- Integration with Homekit: check and control lights, temperature etc
- Multitasking & window management / Expose replacement
- In addition to touch, swipe and other gestures can add more benefits as well. I can even see creative use for two-handed touch (one hand on the touchpad, one hand on the touch strip), like music or video editing.
 
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fastasleep said:
Oh, interesting — I didn't know that. The difference is staggering though, whatever else they did had a drastic effect. It used to be like a couple frames during a transition when activating MC, it's super fluid now.
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We already have that, it's called a keyboard. Seriously, anyone who uses Adobe apps on a regular basis knows all the key shortcuts for tools.

I'm having a really hard time imagining the main purpose of this thing is any of the ideas being floated in this forum. Song lyrics? Dock? Notifications? Give me a break, none of those ideas are worth installing a separate touch screen. Apple has not fallen that far from the tree, despite all the whiners on here seem to think (mostly outside this thread I mean). If it's true (and The Great Gurman has apparently confirmed), there's got to be something else going on here and I look forward to seeing what it is. If it's all just an emoji picker I will admit that Apple has lost its collective mind.

OMG, is it an emoji picker?
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Although that was probably meant as a joke, now that you mention it that makes sense... The only keys we don't have a key for... And Google spent a good 10min on emojis in their I/O.

Oh god...
 
so you rather have just a set in stone keys that you are using them once/day than a customisable based on apps touch bar? now that i think of makes...i thought its just a non usable thing but not anymore
 
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Serban said:
so you rather have just a set in stone keys that you are using them once/day than a customisable based on apps touch bar? now that i think of makes...i thought its just a non usable thing but not anymore
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Thanks for all your info Serban. I agree with you that a customisable touchscreen that changes based on the app you are using will be far, far more useful (not to mention 1000x cooler) than the current row of F keys we have had since the year dot.
 
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Serban said:
so you rather have just a set in stone keys that you are using them once/day than a customisable based on apps touch bar? now that i think of makes...i thought its just a non usable thing but not anymore
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I would pretty much appreciate a customisable bar. But I'm not one of those oldschool-Apple-Mac-Users. I just switched to Apple and I like what I see and use. Still there is a lot of room for improvements in design, functionality, software/OS and hardware. So I'm looking forward for WWDC etc.
 
Yep - thanks for all your input @Serban. Regardless what other people think - i believe that your posts are actually done to support this community.



wakka said:
Thanks for all your info Serban. I agree with you that a customisable touchscreen that changes based on the app you are using will be far, far more useful (not to mention 1000x cooler) than the current row of F keys we have had since the year dot.
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Somehow this makes me think a regular keyboard will be a thing of the past within the next ten years... Don't get me wrong I'd love a customizable row of keys instead of the stationary row we have now... Imagine you can assign Lightroom presets/photoshop actions instead of scrolling up and down in your collection. Also the idea of having your dock above your keyboard instead of on screen could work nicely too, If they include something like Force touch on the iPhone you could hold/press an icon harder and get additional options like open a new screen, play next song, open new email, add appointment to your calendar, etc...
 
i wonder if this is the first step to that patent made by Apple for an force touch keyboard ?
[doublepost=1464165019][/doublepost]but from what ive seen here for the last few days is a mess...i think all what i see is for the next 5 years...i thiink its too much for Apple to bring all of these in just 1 year..Apple fashion way is to give you half now and half next year.
 
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ooooh i've always wanted a 27cm oled bar with a glowing "slide tu unlock" on the top of my keyboard.
this is going to be even better! a 25cm oled bar and a little nipple button at the end to use your fingerprint.
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seriously, do you guys think to a programmable oled bar as a "pro feature"? well i don't.
but hey i'm just typing from a 17" macbook pro with a strange 34mm slot on one side, next to two (yes two 3,5mm jacks) and what i can see after there are three usb ports a thunderbolt port a firewire port an ethernet port, and finally a magsafe.

i can understand that time has changed, but come on, this rumored bar, it's everything except "pro", force feedback or not.
physical keys are sometimes useless, some times can become soft touch keys, but F keys are part of the keyboard standard layout, even the crappiest 2007 netbook got them. and personally, i use them a lot, for example in autocad.
if this is going to be true, i will look at it just as a 20$ (maybe) piece of glass placed there to rise the price of the mbp by 200-300$.

other topic: gpu
as someone as already pointed out, almost every mbp with a discrete gpu had some kind of issue in the last 8 years (or more).
apple has been rumored to start to produce his own gpus from a long time and the A9X processor in the iPad pro has a "monster gpu" (forbes says that, marketing, maybe). what if apple for this generation of pros has designed a custom gpu based on the iPad experience?
 
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ooooh i've always wanted a 27cm oled bar with a glowing "slide tu unlock" on the top of my keyboard.
this is going to be even better! a 25cm oled bar and a little nipple button at the end to use your fingerprint.
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seriously, do you guys think to a programmable oled bar as a "pro feature"? well i don't.
but hey i'm just typing from a 17" macbook pro with a strange 34mm slot on one side, next to two (yes two 3,5mm jacks) and what i can see after there are three usb ports a thunderbolt port a firewire port an ethernet port, and finally a magsafe.

i can understand that time has changed, but come on, this rumored bar, it's everything except "pro", force feedback or not.
physical keys are sometimes useless, some times can become soft touch keys, but F keys are part of the keyboard standard layout, even the crappiest 2007 netbook got them. and personally, i use them a lot, for example in autocad.
if this is going to be true, i will look at it just as a 20$ (maybe) piece of glass placed there to rise the price of the mbp by 200-300$.

other topic: gpu
as someone as already pointed out, almost every mbp with a discrete gpu had some kind of issue in the last 8 years (or more).
apple has been rumored to start to produce his own gpus from a long time and the A9X processor in the iPad pro has a "monster gpu" (forbes says that, marketing, maybe). what if apple for this generation of pros has designed a custom gpu based on the iPad experience?
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Frankly - i cant find any use of such an oled bar either. Then again i don't get paid top dollars to come up with genius ideas about design and stuff.

About the GPU comment - the new Iris Pro iGPU from the Intel Chips is more than capable of everything you could throw at the Macbook i guess - it's a big upgrade in speed over the last generation. Unless you want to play Games in Bootcamp but then again, i guess there are better Computers do to that.
 
Patrick-Photo said:
Somehow this makes me think a regular keyboard will be a thing of the past within the next ten years... Don't get me wrong I'd love a customizable row of keys instead of the stationary row we have now... Imagine you can assign Lightroom presets/photoshop actions instead of scrolling up and down in your collection. Also the idea of having your dock above your keyboard instead of on screen could work nicely too, If they include something like Force touch on the iPhone you could hold/press an icon harder and get additional options like open a new screen, play next song, open new email, add appointment to your calendar, etc...
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I think it would be cool if apple was the first in the industry to implement context-aware keys and not just the usual software-aware keys. Based on where your cursor is or what you just clicked, it would continuously adapt based on your needs on the keyboard.
 
I'm also struggling to think of a use for an OLED strip. The app menu idea makes little sense. This would have to be supported by every app, and just for new MBP users. Even if that happened, I wouldn't want to take my eyes off the screen constantly. I just don't see it happening. Song lyrics? Please, NO! And why an active panel which uses more power? Aaaargh!
 
The Macbook is fine as it is imo. Personally, i would like to see the 13" resolution move up form 1280x800 to 1440x900 and the 15" form 1440x900 to 1650x1050 (retina so double physical). Just adds a bit sharpness and gives a bit more real estate.

All i care about is TB3/USB-C for future proofness and i want the SD card slot to stay because i develop lots of raw images and having yet another adapter is not fitting my needs.

Spec bump of course, nothing below 256GB SSD and nothing under 8GB DDR4 as bare minimum. That's pro enough for me. I don't want thinner at the cost of performance.

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what would you see a pro feature in the next macbook pro?
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Apple reinvents the portable computer. Apple is not that kind of company to build only higher specs into it. If they build Touch ID in to the Macbook Pro and the battery life is despite thinness, better cpu speed as good as before I am really happy ! Especially if they have same new features thanks to the OLED bar.
 
Macasio said:
Apple reinvents the portable computer. Apple is not that kind of company to build only higher specs into it. If they build Touch ID in to the Macbook Pro and the battery life is despite thinness, better cpu speed as good as before I am really happy ! Especially if they have same new features thanks to the OLED bar.
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Do you not think this 'Oled Bar' is apple's way of introducing a half-assed 'touch screen' after year's of slagging them off?

If they want touch input, then make a touch screen on rMBP.
 
i could be wrong, but for me a pro machine should have have a good mix of reliability and brute force. since i'm an apple user i can't ignore the design part. so for me the pro machines should offer these features in a well designed box.
innovation it's not always "adding something new", but this rumored bar seems to be just like this, a plus, something that you can live without and in most of the cases will not increase your productivity. a display just to show an tap the dock? put it under the main display or add a full touch display. a mini display to show notifications? iPads and iPhones don't have dedicated notifications leds and we are talking about adding an entire display AND removing a full row of keyboard keys to show some notifications?
in my 2011 macbook pro i miss just one thing: the numeric pad, but i do love the design of the keyboard, so whatever.
the rest (except for the gpu problems) is perfect, a beautiful design, a beautiful display (1920x1200 in 2011 was amazing, and still it is) a lot of connectivity, the possibility to upgrade by myself some of the internals, incredible battery life (still talking about 5 years ago). by the time none of the competitors was offering all of this. you could buy an HP portable workstation with included truck to transport it; but my 17" was too small for any backpacks or sleeves.
what I would love in a pro machine? improved trackpad would be awesome and will not steal space to other internals, a large multi touch trackpad with apple pencil support, and palm reject would be incredible useful FOR ME. but since the PRO market is a wider than my needs i think that a pro machines should not have improvements only addressed to one kind of professional, but must be a balanced and adaptive TOOL to improve the productivity. (remember the steve jobs quote about the human and the bike? what if the bike fits only for some of the humans?)
so, the oled touch bar, i can't see a true advantage in having that FOR THE MOMENT expect for karaoke, and i honestly would prefer that apple has worked 365 days in making the macbook pro more reliable instead of knowing that super paid designer has lost just even ONE day thinking where to put a black strip of glass on a mac and then they have thought it would be a good idea to remove a full row of keyboard keys to place it.
the true PRO market is going in another way, a lot of people are leaving the mac world since the competition is getting better, competitors has started to hire designers in their staff too, to make equilibrated machines with a good design. and the desktop workstations are getting cool too (not as coo as the nMP) but are more durable machines that you can upgrade by your self or with the producer help.
i fear that the apple PRO line is slowly becoming just a noun to define the price range and not a specific brach of users.
i really hope to be wrong, and i really hope that this rumor will stay just a rumor.

anyway in my dreamlist for the macbook pro:
-4k, 5k resolution
-display techs from 9,7 iPad pro, i really love that.
-14" 16" display
-bigger trackpad with pencil support, just dreaming.
-get rid of those legacy usb port, one mini display port and fill it up with usb C ports with thunderbolt 3 support.
-TB3, of course, with external gpu support.
-no dedicated gpu, too many hassles, let's put the best iris pro or something borrowed from the iPad line.
-touch id built in the trackpad (just dreaming again)

what i except from the new macbook pro announcement at wwdc (first expectation, lol)
-13, 15 inches retina display, with specs form the 9,7" iPad pro (the antiglare treatment is very good)
-thinner design thanks to the display improvements.
-same configurations as now for cpu+dgpu but with newer components of course, 32gb ram option
-2x usb type-c tb3 ports + 1xusb type-a port + 1xmini display port tb3 port
-new keyboard mechanism. dedicated touchid button
-more powerful same battery duration
-order today, shipping starts in july, little cheaper than the current generation
-price drop for the current generation still in store (-200$?) , goodbye non retina 13.

THREAD TWIST: waiting for (amd) A7 MBP thread. because f**k the only thing we assume as sure.
 
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Do you not think this 'Oled Bar' is apple's way of introducing a half-assed 'touch screen' after year's of slagging them off?

If they want touch input, then make a touch screen on rMBP.
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you already have touch input into the trackpad. Trackpad is the touch input for MacOS for years
 
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