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DisplayPort 1.3 has increased bandwidth, but Skylake-based Macs with Thunderbolt 3 will not support the spec and Intel's next-generation Kaby Lake processors on track for a late 2016 launch will not as well. Apple could opt to release a 4K Thunderbolt Display instead, but supply chain considerations make this unlikely, so the company's exact plans for the future of its standalone display remain to be seen.
What ?? :eek:

I thought skylake MBPs (if ever released) would for sure be able to drive 5k diplays on a single TB3/USBC connection, not the case ?

If the new Display has a dGPU integrated as discussed a while back, could any USB C Mac run it at 5k? TB3 MBP's most certainly could.

Or any Apple TV with USB C? Or it might even have an integrated Apple TV? We can still dream in this thread, right? :p
 
What ?? :eek:

I thought skylake MBPs (if ever released) would for sure be able to drive 5k diplays on a single TB3/USBC connection, not the case ?

Kaby Lake is considered a semi-tock with optimized microarchitecture. It supports Thunderbolt 3 and native USB 3.1, but it will not feature support for DisplayPort 1.3, so Macs with Kaby Lake chips will remain unable to drive 5K displays over a single-stream cable. According to Intel, Kaby Lake will feature advancements in performance, battery, and media capabilities.

It can but it has to use two DP1.2 streams just like the current dGPU MBP. The current dGPU MBP has to use two Thunderbolt 2 cables because every port provides a single stream DP1.2. A Thunderbolt 3 will be able to provide two DP1.2 streams using a single cable so it should be possible to connect it to a 5K60p display.

You know what supports it? Polaris dGPUs....but dGPUs are TOTALLY unnecessary.

I wonder if a mobile variant of Polaris dGPU can do this:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/19/intel-skylake-three-4k-monitors-60hz-details/
Edit: I just realized you meant that DP1.3 is supported in Polaris and not just pure resolution output.
 
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If the new Display has a dGPU integrated as discussed a while back, could any USB C Mac run it at 5k? TB3 MBP's most certainly could.

Usb-c (or more specifically, usb 3.1 gen 1/2) can't run eGPU. eGPU in display may cause a different issue, what if the dGPU on the Mac is better than the eGPU (say years down the line). Certainly we could have an OSD to modify this setting but apple don't don't OSD or buttons. The tbd don't even have a power switch (sigh).
 
So ... question, to sum it all up, what are the percentage chance that we see a new 15" MBP? Are we under 50% already? 10%? or is it clear yet and close to 0? OR are we already a little bit up and maybe at a 70% still?
 
So ... question, to sum it all up, what are the percentage chance that we see a new 15" MBP? Are we under 50% already? 10%? or is it clear yet and close to 0? OR are we already a little bit up and maybe at a 70% still?
I'm still confident we will. End of the year has to be for iMac and new iPad Pro (12.7), not to mention iPhone 7 which if rumours are correct, looks set to be a very mild upgrade and will require an awful lot of hype to sell it.

Keep the faith dude
 
I'm finally waiting till WWDC. If Apple doesn't say anything about Macbook Pro's, I'm definitely out of OSX and Macs. Even if they announce the new Macs, I don't think I'm sticking with them, since El Capitan is unbearable in audio therms (and new Macs will come with it).
So don't think I'm giving 2 grands to Apple for being so late to the party, and doing things so bad like last OS releases (El Capitan, after 5th version, still has problems with coreaudio and external audio cards, wtf Apple). I never thought I would come back to Windows, but it might be the best option right now.
 
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I'm still confident we will. End of the year has to be for iMac and new iPad Pro (12.7), not to mention iPhone 7 which if rumours are correct, looks set to be a very mild upgrade and will require an awful lot of hype to sell it.

Keep the faith dude
Possibly the Apple Watch late in the year too
 
  • #3 Stop arguing about dGPUs. Apple have allways made their PRO models for PRO users, and the Iris Pro in FinalCut will still make shorter renders than Adobe on any windows machine. If Apple wants to leave dGPU, there is still no point leaving Apple if you claim you're a "PRO" user.

Almost had a good post, until the last point.... Pro's do want dGPU's than you very much. Not some integrated thing.
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You talk in such absolutes.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of Apple and Intel pushing forward ahead of schedule.

The probability is low, but in recent days the probability isn't quite as small. Especially as the week's tick by.

The probability is NON EXISTENT!!!!! When are you lot going to learn? If ever???

Throughout Intel's ENTIRE history it has never launched it's entire processor roadmap based on a new design in one month! Or two or three...
What we are saying is based on Intel's history, passed facts! Not hopes and dreams...
 
Jesus Christ... Could all of you who do not want a MBP with dGPU just NOT buy the top end 15" inch and upgrade the other???
There are actually some of us who need/want a dGPU and are willing to take the "risk" that comes with it.

It is a puzzle to me that you are arguing/wishing for Apple not to include it due to your own needs.
To my knowledge those problems with the models having a dGPU has had no spillover effect on the models which don't.

Someone with some common sense.
 
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If the mbp is coming in The fall and they update everything, people who have all things Apple will be broke lol.
So ugh... No new MBP's? I'm hoping they have them at wwdc. Lets see what @Serban has for us on june 3rd. See ya then! :)
 
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If in fact we're looking at a October-December release, the least they could do is give us a price drop on current MBP models at WWDC. We're now looking at twice the average wait time between refreshes. That would at least signal that something is coming soon and give people some reason to buy the current models. I just can't take the silence if there's not one mention in two weeks. Give us a teaser or something (like the Mac Pro).

I'd much rather get a tease and an estimated release date from Apple themselves than playing this sick game of rumors and speculation. I can't take it!
 
If they announce new MBP at WWDC with TB3 and an (even minor) outside refresh, they might as well close the mac parts of their stores for three months, cause no one will buy a new machine. (Yes, hyperbole... Obviously hyperbole!)
 
If in fact we're looking at a October-December release, the least they could do is give us a price drop on current MBP models at WWDC. We're now looking at twice the average wait time between refreshes. That would at least signal that something is coming soon and give people some reason to buy the current models. I just can't take the silence if there's not one mention in two weeks. Give us a teaser or something (like the Mac Pro).

I'd much rather get a tease and an estimated release date from Apple themselves than playing this sick game of rumors and speculation. I can't take it!

Let's keep in mind that during Apple's last conference call for their financial results, an executive (I think it was Luca Maestri) said that they expected sales of Macs to greatly increase around June to July. This has to mean something, right?
 
Almost had a good post, until the last point.... Pro's do want dGPU's than you very much. Not some integrated thing.
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I want it too, I'll be studying "3D and Animation" this fall. All Im saying is if Apple can keep the render times as low/lower that the current model with dGPU they might leave the option out this generation because it will allow a thinner design. Lets face it, the current AMD card in the current MBP is not very powerfull, but apple makes it work because they optimize their software. I want the new AMD cards really bad, but my bet would be no dGPU
 
Jesus Christ... Could all of you who do not want a MBP with dGPU just NOT buy the top end 15" inch and upgrade the other???
There are actually some of us who need/want a dGPU and are willing to take the "risk" that comes with it.

It is a puzzle to me that you are arguing/wishing for Apple not to include it due to your own needs.
To my knowledge those problems with the models having a dGPU has had no spillover effect on the models which don't.
NO, because if they have the option of a dGPU, the design of all the 15" Pro's will be much thicker and have the internal space for a dGPU. This is due to the heat, and the physical space needed for the dGPU itself. Apple will not have 2 different designs, one for MBP with dGPU, and one without. That is why this matters to all of us!
 
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