Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[FreakCity]

It doesn't justify anything. However, if you are going to pay out $2k for a brand new, high-end laptop...what's an extra $50 for a few adapters? Plus, no one says that you have to buy them from Apple. You can go third party, and Apple knows this, so I don't think it's a cash grab. It's a very marginal addition to the overall price of your purchase. I don't see how thinking this way is financially irresponsible.

I have to say I don't agree with that mentality at all. Let’s just use two different scenarios here.

I buy a house for 500 grand. What is keeping me from buying some extra furniture for another couple of thousands of dollars?

If a buy a car, what is keeping me from maxing it out with all the extras I can think of. Because hey, my initial spend is so high, that kind of money won’t matter at all right? I don’t have a leg to stand on after all

The differences here, I am sure, are enormous (percentage wise at least). I just don't think that paying a large sum of money justifies paying relatively large sums (small in comparison maybe) for other extras.

After all, I do get your argument but I still think it quite ridiculous to charge these prices. Especially, because as you said, they are way cheaper from other manufacturers. I could go to those you are right, but again, I am criticising the cost of Apple's adapters and not those of third party manufacturers.

Finally, I would just like to add that this is my personal opinion and everyone is free to think differently, obviously.

 

[Brad9893]

Fair enough, just one point though. Apple's policy on third party adapters are often dubious. They have certified for iOS program but the moment one uses a uncertified third-party peripheral the treatment changes. Example, original Apple chargers or certified chargers for iOS devices are quite pricey for what they are, so one buys and uses a uncertified third-party peripheral that's a fraction of the cost. If something unrelated causes the device to malfunction then Apple will blame that third-party peripheral and say it's user fault. Obviously there would be quality issues, but one shouldn't have to spend more than what they originally spend to use a device normally.

That's completely different though. I think these are not comparable situations. Your are comparing Apple's to Orange's, or to be more specific, Lightning (on iOS devices) to USB-C (on Macs). You can't really make this comparison because Lightning is an Apple creation that is proprietary. The reason why they can crack down on third-party adapters and cables, as well as have the Certified for iOS program where things cost more is because Lightning is completely under their control. This is also why they can punish users if their device malfunctions with the use of a cable that Apple doesn't approve of.

USB-C, however, is completely different. It is a far more open standard and is not proprietary to Apple or under their complete control at all. It is under the broad control of the USB-IF, of which Apple is a member, but I would highly doubt the other members (like Microsoft, HP, Intel, etc.) would let USB-C be treated the same way that Apple has treated Lightning. Apple won't be able to turn USB-C into a walled garden, nor will they be able to create a Made for Mac program when they don't have a reason to do so (because USB is open on purpose). You are already allowed to use USB-A cables and peripherals with Macs that are non-Apple. For instance, take an external hard drive. They ship with the hard drive in an enclosure, as well as a USB cable that is provided by the manufacturer. Apple is perfectly fine with this, and I can't see a reason as to why it would change with USB-C.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I agree FreakCity. It just bothers me because it's such a racket. It's like with the iPad. $600 is fair for a tablet, but then there's a $100 pencil and $150 keyboard and now we're up to $850 and it's only 32 gigs...racket city...

 

[Brad9893]

I have to say I don't agree with that mentality at all. Let’s just use two different scenarios here.

I buy a house for 500 grand. What is keeping me from buying some extra furniture for another couple of of thousands of dollars?

If a buy a car, what is keeping me from maxing it out with all the extras I can think of. Because hey, my initial spend is so high, that kind of money won’t matter at all right? I don’t have a leg to stand on after all

The differences here, I am sure, are enormous (percentage wise at least). I just don't think that paying a large sum of money justifies paying relatively large sums (small in comparison maybe) for other extras.

After all, I do get your argument but I still think it quite ridiculous to charge these prices. Especially, because as you said, they are way cheaper from other manufacturers. I could go to those you are right, but again, I am criticising the cost of Apple's adapters and not those of third party manufacturers.

Finally, I would just like to add that this is my personal opinion and everyone is free to think differently, obviously.

If I had the money for a house that cost $500k, I honestly probably wouldn't even blink at spending a few extra thousand for furniture. I mean, you do need furniture after all, and you might need more if you are moving from a smaller home or if this is your first home.

If I was buying a car, let's say a premium car like BMW or Mercedes (since we are using these scenarios to compare to a high-end, premium computer), I probably would also opt for extras and additional packages. I probably wouldn't mind throwing extra money at these things if I feel it would make the car much more enjoyable to me. I think that your argument makes much more sense if you are going to buy a cheaper car like a Ford or a Toyota, but when you get to the higher end, it makes less sense to me.

If I am already in the business of spending a lot of money for something, I'd be open to spend more if I feel that it will make things better or I will enjoy it far more.

I totally understand your argument and think that it makes perfect sense, but I just feel differently of course.

 

[FreakCity]

If I had the money for a house that cost $500k, I honestly probably wouldn't even blink at spending a few extra thousand for furniture. I mean, you do need furniture after all, and you might need more if you are moving from a smaller home or if this is your first home.

If I was buying a car, let's say a premium car like BMW or Mercedes (since we are using these scenarios to compare to a high-end, premium computer), I probably would also opt for extras and additional packages. I probably wouldn't mind throwing extra money at these things if I feel it would make the car much more enjoyable to me. I think that your argument makes much more sense if you are going to buy a cheaper car like a Ford or a Toyota, but when you get to the higher end, it makes less sense to me.

If I am already in the business of spending a lot of money for something, I'd be open to spend more if I feel that it will make things better or I will enjoy it far more.

I totally understand your argument and think that it makes perfect sense, but I just feel differently of course.

How much money I earn or have is a totally irrelevant factor; I will always raise an eyebrow at a 50 dollar adapter just as I would with a 15 dollar cinema ticket or a 5 dollar scoop of ice cream. Hence, whether I am willing to spend 2k on a laptop doesn't have anything to do with how much I would want to spend on an adapter. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Brad9893]

How much money I earn or have is a totally irrelevant factor; I will always raise an eyebrow at a 50 dollar adapter just as I would with a 15 dollar cinema ticket or a 5 dollar scoop of ice cream. Hence, whether I am willing to spend 2k on a laptop doesn't have anything to do with how much I would want to spend on an adapter. But maybe that's just me.

See, I look at the $15 movie ticket and $5 ice cream scoop differently than I would an adapter. The ice cream is a consumable and that movie ticket is only going to let you see one movie one time. But the $50 adapter isn't a consumable and it's going to last magnitudes longer than a movie. It's something that can be used over and over again for years if you need to. In that case, the cost for it gets spread out for how ever long I will own it and for how long it will remain useful to me.

I guess that's where the line is drawn for me. Quality, but especially longevity is worth more to me. I would never spend $5 per scoop of ice cream, but I would spend $200 on a pair of earbuds. Maybe I am weird.

 

[killawat]

A good question for all of you:
Now, the newest laptop of Apple is the Skylake Macbook (recently launched), and if Apple releases a new display, that macbook will support it. But this model only have an usb-c port with DisplayPort 1.2 and here is when the 5k display with dgpu integrated has sense...so the question is, if the display has that dgpu, is there a way to connect it with that macbook? Usb-c/Dp1.2 is enough because of the integrated dgpu??

No, thunderbolt will probably be needed because they will bake in other functionality other than just Video, so it won't be a DP monitor, it'll be a TB monitor (just like the TBD).

But I wouldn't be so sure about macbook compatibility. It's the newest, but also by far the weakest mac they ever produced, more to fit a certain size and battery profile than external usability. Today, it cannot connect to the Thunderbolt Display. If they wanted to include that functionality they could've put an alpine ridge controller in the rMB but didn't for whatever reason

 

[justywusty]

Getting. So. Close.

 

[volcomvenom]

Getting. So. Close.

Can wait....I mean I can't wait!

 

[Uni Grad]

Okay examining the leaked pictures again (cause I have nothing better to do), I can conclude that the power button will not be a physical key and will instead be part of the OLED touch strip (so it'll look good). If it were a physical key, it would have a cutout. The right corner in the leaked images shows a seperation, but I think thats for Touch ID purposes. This actually worries me...the power key should have been physical (although that would look terrible).

 

[Brad9893]

Okay examining the leaked pictures again (cause I have nothing better to do), I can conclude that the power button will not be a physical key and will instead be part of the OLED touch strip (so it'll look good). If it were a physical key, it would have a cutout. The right corner in the leaked images shows a seperation, but I think thats for Touch ID purposes. This actually worries me...the power key should have been physical (although that would look terrible).

How do we know that a physical power button won't be integrated into the OLED touch strip itself, therefore negating the need for another cut out? That way we get the benefit of a physical power button, and it will look nicer.

 

[Uni Grad]

How do we know that a physical power button won't be integrated into the OLED touch strip itself, therefore negating the need for another cut out? That way we get the benefit of a physical power button, and it will look nicer.

How would that be possible though? Or maybe I'm not thinking this through.
Could you please elaborate?

Because from what I can understand, the OLED strip will be glued on...with a connection leading to the logic board from the top right corner (three pins can be seen). So how can we get a physical action...do you mean faking a physical action...such as haptic feedback?

 

[Corrode]

I'd be more concerned about their 1st gen hardware being a beta rather than the OS.
Things haven't been very flawless on their 1st gen devices after a new design.
Think about all the issues that they had with 1st gens of unibody MBP, MBA, rMBP, rMB, Mac Pro, iPhone 4/5/6 ...

My first gen unibody 13" MacBook Pro begs to differ. Almost 7 years and I still use it daily, only ever had the hard drive go.

 

[Brad9893]

How would that be possible though? Or maybe I'm not thinking this through.
Could you please elaborate?

Because from what I can understand, the OLED strip will be glued on...with a connection leading to the logic board from the top right corner (three pins can be seen). So how can we get a physical action...do you mean faking a physical action...such as haptic feedback?

This is what I was envisioning. In my mind, that space in the top right corner is where the physical power button resides and would be integrated, or attached, into the OLED strip in order to create a seamless look. I thought that perhaps the OLED touch strip would have a cable attached to the left hand side, and it would be fed through the small space on the very left to get it down into the computer where it could then be connected to the logic board.

This was my initial intake, but I'm obviously unsure.

 

[osnola ibax]

This oled bar thing makes no sense to me I have to say. It doesn't look like its force touch enabled or anything. I bought a rMB this year as my ultra portable iPad alternative because I would much rather have a physical keyboard than a touch screen.

One of my favourite things about macs is the function keys, to replace them with some sort of touch panel seems pointless and just kind of frustrating.

 

[TheralSadurns]

Thanks dude. Sorry I know this is way back, but you guys simply post way too fast Anyway just let that once sink in, bought a device for over a grand but need a different charger to actually make it 'useful'. Apple must be earning tons of money from their god damn adapters. Hate that approach, best customer service my ass. I would really appreciate a more consumer friendly approach aka including adapters if they decide to switch peripherals but I guess that's a wish that will never come true...

Ranting because I'm also thinking about the adapters I'll have to get for the new rMBP. It's not like their products are cheap to start out with right? Anyone telling me that the adapters cost nothing in comparison to the initial cost surely isn't the most financially responsible person. How does an initial high price justify purchasing adapters for 50+ whatever valuable currency? Specifically mentioning that argument because I've seen it here way too often to ignore..

EDIT: someone remind me of the correct word to use rather than "peripherals"

Well. It may never be true AGAIN... but it used to be.

The original MBPs up until the unibody ones. They had DVI Ports and shipped with DVI to VGA Adapters IN the box. Free of Charge.
Same is true for the Mac mini.
It's really a pitty that they stopped doing that. Although... since the MBP and Mac mini got HDMI it's less of an issue. Let's just hope they keep HDMI around this time. Oh and... make it 2.0 plz... while you're at it Apple!

 

[tryintostickit]

My first gen unibody 13" MacBook Pro begs to differ. Almost 7 years and I still use it daily, only ever had the hard drive go.

Sadly I think this line was the exception rather than the rule (I have one too, and am typing this reply on it right now. I know 3 others with 08 MBPs that are still chugging along too, but tons of folks with 09s and 10s that had a ton of issues.

 

[The Reasonable One]

Thanks a lot for your story man. Ill definitely keep going to my nearest apple store with my macbook problems. it sucks that it takes 20 min to get there tho. :/

No problem, I hope your mac gets fixed. I personally feel that on a premium product they should offer a 2 year warranty standard though. If they believe in their product they should stand by it in my opinion.

 

[kalvi]

So this is what we're going to see?
Note: Got this image off of a 9to5Mac user called "Cameron." I did not make this.View attachment 633914

That trackpad is huge man!

About keyboard.. i think that ESC key is gonna go left from '1' and above 'Tab'. Seems weird to move that to OLED bar and who cares if tilde key moves whereever. Also, i think(!) that Lenovo did excactly that.

 

[R3k]

Sadly I think this line was the exception rather than the rule (I have one too, and am typing this reply on it right now. I know 3 others with 08 MBPs that are still chugging along too, but tons of folks with 09s and 10s that had a ton of issues.

2009 15" here. Still going strong with an upgraded SSD. Battery replaced twice. Half a bottle of Patron leaked into the screen 5 years ago so have some artifacts there. I don't drink anymore. The feet have all fallen off and it's missing some screws.

I'm almost getting separation anxiety.

 

[crankmeup]

maybe i'm old fashioned, but this idea with oled bar instead of function keys is just pointless. If you use a certain aplication on the higher than basic level you already know the shortcuts and don't need to make new ones. It's a way of your workflow and you can replicate the same flow on every other machine. I just think its pontiless gadget, but what do I know...

as for other news, i kinda like them all. I wonder if the touchpad also would be oled one?? that could be kinda cool, but mostly becasue it would look interesting.

I'm almost ok with bunch of dongles, don't like the idea, but what can you do? At least I hope there will be at least one dongle in the package with a machine.

 

[Hey Mac]

OLED touch bar = first step of laptop to iPad transition?

 

[moetekita]

I remember macbook was just updated few months ago,so how is it possible that new mb annouced in WWDC rather than rmbp?

 

[Brad9893]

I remember macbook was just updated few months ago,so how is it possible that new mb annouced in WWDC rather than rmbp?

We are talking about the MBP. It's possible that a larger MB will be introduced alongside the new MBP, however, assuming that the new MBP's do indeed come at WWDC.

 

[nicovh]

We are talking about the MBP. It's possible that a larger MB will be introduced alongside the new MBP, however, assuming that the new MBP's do indeed come at WWDC.

I won't be angry at Apple, I will just be severely dissappointed, if they don't release the new MBP at WWDC