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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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Brad9893 said:
The problems with the Surface Book were just appalling. The thing couldn't even go to sleep properly, though that was perhaps more Microsoft's fault than it was Intel's. I don't know. Still, it does seem like Skylake is a rather buggy release and this might be contributing to why Apple wants to wait until the fall to announce Skylake MBP's.
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They were appalling enough for me to go back to the MS store and return the darn thing. Although I will say that considering its from Microsoft...it didnt seem that buggy. Yet still, I have a negative perception of Skylake because of the SB. Anyway, I guess I'm going to have to bear using my father's PC until late 2017. I don't trust Skylake, and although Apple may optimize it, I still will wait till late 2017 for Kabylake. However, if Im not pleased with the rMBP they show this WWDC/September, I may opt to purchase the 2015 version.
...decisions, decisions, decisions...
 
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Brad9893 said:
I completely agree. The MacBook is basically the ultimate culmination of Steve's vision for the notebook. A lot of people complain about the MacBook because it's either too thin or has a Core M processor that they feel is gimped. And, of course, we cannot dismiss the dissatisfaction expressed due to a sole port, either. However, Steve was all about computing "for the rest of us". For the average person, the MacBook is a wonderful machine that has enough power, and it possesses a degree of portability that approaches that of an iDevice to boot.

Many people like to crap on the MacBook, offering it up as evidence that Apple has lost their way, and is now a company that insists on making only "toys". However, to me, the MacBook is the most concrete evidence that Apple hasn't lost it and still possesses a great amount of vision. I believe that it is probably the most significant product from Apple in years, and from the post-Steve Jobs era in general. (We can this from all of the "me too" products that have been released since it's introduction.)
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The MacBook's design will surely influence the new MBP. I said before that I expect the new MBPs to be bigger MacBooks and I still think that's likely (notwithstanding the "touch bar").

That said, the MB is way too underpowered for what I and many more "advanced" users prefer. And it also makes no sense to me that they make an underpowered laptop but then try to push the iPad Pro as a "laptop replacement".

For the most part I agree with people who dump on the MacBook. Physically it's nice, but internally it's lacking big-time. And maybe of Apple is only going to cater to "average" users it's time for me to move away from Apple. I hope that's not the case though (and I don't think it is currently). The new MBPs will tell though...
 
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They were appalling enough for me to go back to the MS store and return the darn thing. Although I would say that considering its from Microsoft...it didnt seem that buggy. Yet still, I have a negative perception of Skylake because of the SB. Anyway, I guess I'm going to have to bear using my father's PC until late 2017. I don't trust Skylake, and although Apple may optimize it, I still will wait till late 2017 for Kabylake. However, if Im not pleased with the rMBP they show this WWDC/September, I may opt to purchase the 2015 version.
...decisions, decisions, decisions...
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Apple is planing to not update all of the macs with kaby lake since is a broadwel thing, and move to cannon lake that offers tb3 by default. At least for macbook and mbp
 
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Guys we may or may not see a mbp at WWDC. If we don't, we may or may not see it in the September event. If not, we may or may not see it in October/November/December. Don't worry though, Apple is planning to release it before WWDC 2017. It is confirmed that it's coming.

Much love,

Serban #2
 
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ThisBougieLife said:
The MacBook's design will surely influence the new MBP. I said before that I expect the new MBPs to be bigger MacBooks and I still think that's likely (notwithstanding the "touch bar").

That said, the MB is way too underpowered for what I and many more "advanced" users prefer. And it also makes no sense to me that they make an underpowered laptop but then try to push the iPad Pro as a "laptop replacement".

For the most part I agree with people who dump on the MacBook. Physically it's nice, but internally it's lacking big-time. And maybe of Apple is only going to cater to "average" users it's time for me to move away from Apple. I hope that's not the case though (and I don't think it is currently). The new MBPs will tell though...
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Well, of course the MacBook is too underpowered for what more advanced users expect for their needs. After all, Apple did not create the product with them in mind, and this is why they do not market the product to these users. This is why the MacBook Pro exists, obviously. I've never understood these advanced users who love to dump on the MacBook just because it doesn't suit their needs. It makes no sense to me. While advanced users might need the power and utility of a Suburban (to use the car analogy), regular users will probably be just fine with a Camry.

I can accept calling the MacBook underpowered if it's used in a conditional way, but it makes no sense to speak in absolutes, which is what most people here do. For some reason, it seems as if they can't understand that while it may be underpowered for them, it may be overpowered for others. As for the iPad Pro, it's A9X processor provides similar performance to the Core M MacBook, so it a way it can be seen as a laptop replacement (even if it's only when looking at performance, as the iPP clearly is NOT a laptop replacement in general).

Apple is clearly working on a next-gen MBP, as we all know, so they aren't just going to cater to the average users. It seems though, that tons of people get mad when Apple caters to anyone who isn't them. It's an interesting phenomenon I've noticed within the past year.
 
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It's more likely they'd switch to AMD processors than to an ARM architecture in my opinion.
It's quite a big leap from the A series processors to 45W quad core parts with hyper threading.
 
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Apple reputation is degrading because of this

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Every computer on their products line is outdated.
EVERY.
Far beyond their usual updating cycle.
MacMini was nerfed.
MacPro was nerfed.
MacBook Pro, at least for now, seems forgotten. (and Apple could have upgraded it with Broadwell. It was possible)
The only computer updated is the MacBook (wow!...), but it doesn't support TB3.

[ stuff about iPhone ]

I could go on, but I thinks that's enough.
But the next time you want to insult, think about it twice.
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I disagree with most of this.

- The Air is a deadman walking. No further comment needed.
- MacBook Pro is forthcoming, with redesign and all the stuff we don't know about, and all signs point to soon. Also, the 2015 MBP update was FINE — new trackpad design, new 2x storage, no Broadwell but Apple doesn't make these kinds of decisions lightly — I'm sure they had their reasons to not bother with a 5-10% bump in processor speed, and we'll never know why. Only nerds like us even know the names Broadwell and Haswell, and we're talking a VERY minor bump between those chipsets. It's NOT a big deal. All indications are that this year's machine will have myriad other changes, and of course there are reasons why these things didn't happen say last year. They always wait for technology to be available to do what they want, and do it well well — not for the sake of bumping specs.
- iMac is in great shape, what are you on about? It's amazing and was updated in October! It's only "caution" because it's approaching the end of its cycle, and all likelihood is we'll see another update around the same time this year.
- AGREE on the mini, my hope is that they're punting because a major refresh is under way. We'll see this year I think.
- Mac Pro, I think, will get a significant update this year. Didn't the E5 V4 Broadwell-EP Xeons just come out? Aren't we all expecting they're waiting on new GPUs coming out in the next month or two? So doesn't it make sense that that's not been updated yet?

My point was saying "I've been waiting for 14 months for this computer" that hasn't been released yet is silly as a reason that Apple's "reputation is degrading". It's going to come out as soon as its ready, and it's going to be great, and it's not like they skipped last year just because you didn't get your 5-10% Broadwell bump. How is waiting for the next major redesign somehow Apple's fault, especially now that we KNOW it's coming?

I won't comment on the iPhone stuff, but I seriously disagree with the state of the best selling and best loved phone out there.

Some people are never satisfied...
 
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A lot of us , including me, ESPECIALLY me, thought they would be released in March. BOY WERE WE WRONG. Now everyone is saying it's not going to be WWDC. So maybe it WILL be WWDC. Who knows.

I've gotten out of the prediction game after being oh so very wrong once.
 
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doctorwhofan98 said:
Fair points, but still - this is only ok if new MBPs are announced at WWDC. If they're not, and Apple waits until Q4, then that's no longer Intel's fault - that's Apple choosing not to make them available for some reason. Faster SSDs etc. are nice, but features like more battery life generally come from new and better processors, and, regardless of timing, it's still beyond ridiculous that the 15 inch MBP has old processors; Apple could've launched it slightly later in 2015. Ultimately, the delays so far are acceptable, but delaying the launch until Q4 really isn't unless they're waiting for Intel to launch Kaby Lake - but we know that isn't what's happening, as KL chips won't be available until 2017. Skylake is ready but for some reason Apple isn't.
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I guarantee that if they told you they did put Broadwell in but it was actually Haskell, and you had no way to check for sure, you would not ever know the difference.

Also, despite Skylake *just* coming out (we're talking days), we have no idea about yield, stuff like that. And maybe they're also waiting on other components such as GPUs and displays, or any other part you have no idea about. Everyone on here is so sure they know either exactly why Apple did something or that something they did is inexplicable, but totally ignore that we KNOW that Apple always does things very purposefully. Have some faith, whatever is holding it up will be worth it.
 
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Serban said:
who will add 32 gb ram ? Me me me
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YES. I'm afraid at what this is all going to cost, but I plan to max out RAM and disk (crossing fingers for a 2TB option) and processor/dGPU options. With my 2011 and prior models, I'm usually expecting a ~$2700 machine after BTO, but my fear is the flash prices are going to make this more like $3500 (total guesstimate).

I'm personally relieved it might be delayed til September, if only because I need to make a bag of money appear before then to make this happen. :)
 
Brad9893 said:
Well, of course the MacBook is too underpowered for what more advanced users expect for their needs. After all, Apple did not create the product with them in mind, and this is why they do not market the product to these users. This is why the MacBook Pro exists, obviously. I've never understood these advanced users who love to dump on the MacBook just because it doesn't suit their needs. It makes no sense to me. While advanced users might need the power and utility of a Suburban (to use the car analogy), regular users will probably be just fine with a Camry.

I can accept calling the MacBook underpowered if it's used in a conditional way, but it makes no sense to speak in absolutes, which is what most people here do. For some reason, it seems as if they can't understand that while it may be underpowered for them, it may be overpowered for others. As for the iPad Pro, it's A9X processor provides similar performance to the Core M MacBook, so it a way it can be seen as a laptop replacement (even if it's only when looking at performance, as the iPP clearly is NOT a laptop replacement in general).

Apple is clearly working on a next-gen MBP, as we all know, so they aren't just going to cater to the average users. It seems though, that tons of people get mad when Apple caters to anyone who isn't them. It's an interesting phenomenon I've noticed within the past year.
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I think people are frustrated that these "average user" devices seem to be getting more attention and quicker refreshes. The MacBook was updated quite promptly--the same can't be said for the MBP. So when a new device comes out, and it's a MacBook, the "power users" are justifiably disappointed, especially since the device they're waiting for keeps getting delayed further and further.

Additionally, my response to you was geared toward your praise of the MacBook as the "ultimate culmination of the vision of the notebook", which implies that the MacBook is the gold standard to which future notebooks that Apple produces should look toward, and that to me leaves the advanced users in the dark, because clearly this is not a device for advanced users. It seemed to suggest that this thin (yes, "underpowered") core-M device is the "ultimate" Apple notebook because Steve's vision was all about the average user. Go ahead and make more devices like it, but don't abandon the advanced users who really love OS X and prefer it by far to Windows (i.e. me).

And just because I dislike a product, doesn't mean I don't want other people to enjoy it. I can say it's underpowered without implying that it's a bad choice for anyone. By saying it's underpowered, I am saying it's underpowered for me.

I'd rather hope that the delays for the MBP are because they're waiting for more premium parts rather than because they're simply giving it less attention and priority. But we'll see, I guess.
 
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