Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[shareef777]

Apple decided to release an updated 15" MBP before Broadwell chips were even announced. They clearly didn't feel that they could update the processor. If they had waited until quad core Broadwell chips suitable for the MBP were available and in volume, people would have been even madder that they already were. Apple couldn't make a decision that was satisfying to everyone; they were damned if they did and damned it they didn't.



I'm naive? Please don't be insulting. The fact is that they did a silent update before Broadwell chips were available, probably because they didn't want to wait for Intel anymore. Broadwell chips were available for the 13" on time and they used them, didn't they? If Intel hadn't been farting around for as long as they did and released the processor on time, then Apple probably would have used them in the 15". I've given this tons of thought and there are more reasons than just money. It think it's a little more multi-faceted that what you are portraying.



Again, this is MacRumors. What do you expect? People to endlessly trash them?

Again, Broadwell was released about a year ago. A silent update could have easily been done with virtually no effort for a company the size of Apple. "more reasons than just money" ... like? Apple didn't become the most profitable tech company by not putting money as the primary reason behind ALL their decisions. You'd probably be one of those people that would argue that a 16GB base iPhone is beneficial to the consumer!
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Yeah, I'll do that too. Everything that could have been discussed about the new rMBP has been discussed. There's no point being on here any longer. At least we got a confirmed DEFINITIVE date (sept/oct). But I'll be phantom crusing this thread for the nuclear meltdown that is definitely destined to happen at WWDC. It will be fun watching the tear tsunami from a distance .
Oh and prepare for the avalanche of people claiming that they will switch, just out of spite. Some will switch, but will flock back at Apple the minute they release the new rMBP. It's the same damn circus **** show everytime.

Think my 2012 rMBP can hold out another year. I'll spend $200 on a new battery and put the rest into a Phantom 4 bundle that I've been eyeing. I won't abandon ship. Too heavily invested in the macOS/iOS ecosystem to do that.

Also got a new 12core MacPro absolutely maxed out with 128GB of memory and 2TB of storage (from OWC) at work, so there's that

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Polaris

Polaris should be available in July-ish. Perhaps they wish to launch it in conjunction with the new macOS. I don't imagine them adding Siri, TouchID, OLED-Keyboard-thing support to El Capitan.

 

[Brad9893]

Again, Broadwell was released about a year ago. A silent update could have easily been done with virtually no effort for a company the size of Apple. "more reasons than just money" ... like? Apple didn't become the most profitable tech company by not putting money as the primary reason behind ALL their decisions. You'd probably be one of those people that would argue that a 16GB base iPhone is beneficial to the consumer!

Regarding the 16GB iPhone...you know what they say about assumptions. That is not a decision that you will ever find me defending. I think that 16GB is way too little. If you have to go around inventing things like app thinning and the ability to delete apps on phones just to be able to download an OS upgrade, then you are obviously doing it wrong. That was a pure profit decision which, again, you'll never see me defend.

I do think that the Broadwell issue is more nuanced that that, which is why I am willing to defend Apple in this case, and I've already given my reasons. Apple refreshed the 15" MBP in May 2015 before the quad core Broadwell chips were out. Once Apple releases a model, they usually keep it on the market for at least six months (if you go back and look at the last ten years, at least). Perhaps they want to recoup any development costs, maybe they don't want to piss off anyone who's already purchased a released model by updating it too soon, or they just don't want to release too many models. They were never ever going to release a Broadwell 15" a month or so after they had just put the Mid 2015 15" MBP out on the market.

I suppose they could have squished an additional refresh in this past fall in order to bring it fully up-to-date, but by then Broadwell was already out of date anyways, and Intel had fully moved onto Skylake. They would have been between a rock and a hard place because by that point everyone wanted Skylake and wouldn't have been satisfied with a Broadwell based 15" MBP. I think that Apple decided to cut their loses, reorientate themselves, and concentrate on what was the new processor line out on the market.

I think that Intel really threw things off because not only were they late to market with Broadwell, but they cut it's lifecycle down to be much shorter than it should have been in order to not be late with Skylake. Apple, I think, is trying to reorientate themselves with Intel's new release cycles.

Yes, I know that money is the primary reason behind their decisions, as it is for any company. However, what I am saying is that the decision to keep Haswell in the 15" was not based on money in my opinion. I mean, they put Broadwell in the 13". If they were so concerned about penny pinching they could have kept Haswell in it as well. So why didn't they? Because the processor was available when they needed it to be...that's why. It wasn't for the 15".

 

[Serban]

He will come and say that apple is thinking to release them at september event... Ong omg serban is guessing BUT this guy is God, he is just telling you the exact thing, i am wondering since is the same day that him also hadnt an apple engineering team meeting also on 3 june
That doesnt exclude the fact that apple will introduce the bigger macbook brother

 

[croco_dile]

w/ mark gurmann saying "absolutely only software at WWDC"

Is this considered final? I don't even know who Mark is, not until now anyway.
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He will come and say that apple is thinking to release them at september event... Ong omg serban is guessing BUT this guy is God

Frankly, enough is enough.

 

[Fandrei]

Is this considered final? I don't even know who Mark is, not until now anyway.
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Frankly, enough is enough.

yep, i think that too. so much hate here. Btw
with pleasure you hear first from me

 

[goobot]

Polaris should be available in July-ish. Perhaps they wish to launch it in conjunction with the new macOS. I don't imagine them adding Siri, TouchID, OLED-Keyboard-thing support to El Capitan.

iOS 3.2 was made just for iPad and many of the features didn't come to iPhone until 6 months later with iOS 4

 

[vatter69]

So it will come in Q4, once 10.12 is released. As has been reported all along.

I will still light a candle on the 13th a sing a silent prayer.

 

[Serban]

yes in the fall mac mini, apple display, macbook p, mac pro all will be updated, with mac mini and macbook p also get a redesign. Seems that Apple is still working with intel to bring TouchID into the cpu to be more secured

 

[Dean Yu]

I am going to leave this thread and probably never look back.
Now I reconsidered my computing need on OS X and decided to carry on with my trustworthy baseline mid-2013 MBA. I still remember the time getting familiar with this machine and being impressed by what I can create with it. I love this little MacBook and think it will serve me well for the upcoming two years.
This notebook and Apple, too, ultimately changed my opinion on technology generally. I discovered technology's magnificence to boost an individual's creativity. With this little machine I can do the things I had never dreamed of prior to owning this MBA.
"Making devices that works as great tools to empower people who creates" was Apple's core value.
I am not saying delaying Skylake MBP is milking or anything like that, but lagging at pro market section is certainly not a sensible move. Sure, they are changing different parts of the industries, but with abandoning great software/hardware like Aperture/QC Mac mini, frequent appearances of buggy OSes, release of mediocre and gimmicky hardware, (and endless wait for some key technologies) really put many people off. The Q2 decline Just revealed their weakness. All of these gives us hints of the future of this company.
iPhone SE and Macintosh SE/30/classic joke?
Once they lost their core values and distinctions, what happened during the 90s' will happen again.

I really hope this will not be the case. I still think they have the vision for the future of computing and technology.
Wish things will change and they will continue to release great product as they always do...

I also don't think they are responsible for all these problems. I know some of us in this thread are not blaming, we are just disappointed.
I would sincerely thank Apple for this unique experience It gives me and many others, but it is the time to move on. The good old days are gone, and Apple definitely need to shake things up a little bit.
Maybe I will find a nice OEM mobile workstation that will fit my need in Windows side of thing.
See you guys at "Waiting for Cannonlake MacBook Pro thread"!

Jun.4, 2016, 9 days before WWDC

 

[Yuuta]

Waiting for Skylake MBP since January makes me sick and i'm tired of this ****, Pascal 1070 and Polaris notebooks are coming in 3Q2016, guess im going to buy 1 if there's no new rMBPs announced at WWDC.

 

[fatboyhouston]

So I'm thinking maybe I'll grab a used 2014 rMBP to tide me over for a year or so. Very nervous about buying something so expensive from strangers though. Any advice on the best way to proceed and how much to pay? I'm leaning towards 15" but possibly 13" would suffice.

 

[Chinaware]

Hey, guys. Here is what I got so far. First I come from China. In a Chinese website ZHIHU(you can say it Chinese Quara), a anonymous guy posted info about mbp( including Oled bar, four type c and bigger touchpad) before any news and he is right. I suppose he is from Foxconn. Other than these, he says the new 13 mbp will have two cooling fans which may suggest the existence of dgpu. Also, all type c ports support tb3; no more light on the back; the base model start with cpu2.9, ram8, 256gb; Touch ID on the power button; no MagSafe; same ****** keyboard as nmb; thinner. The most important thing he says is that the mass production start August. I read this as "No mbp" on 13th.

 

[Brad9893]

I am going to leave this thread and probably never look back.
Now I reconsidered my computing need on OS X and decided to carry on with my trustworthy baseline mid-2013 MBA. I still remember the time getting familiar with this machine and being impressed by what I can create with it. I love this little MacBook and think it will serve me well for the upcoming two years.
This notebook and Apple, too, ultimately changed my opinion on technology generally. I discovered technology's magnificence to boost an individual's creativity. With this little machine I can do the things I had never dreamed of prior to owning this MBA.
"Making devices that works as great tools to empower people who creates" was Apple's core value.
I am not saying delaying Skylake MBP is milking or anything like that, but lagging at pro market section is certainly not a sensible move. Sure, they are changing different parts of the industries, but with abandoning great software/hardware like Aperture/QC Mac mini, frequent appearances of buggy OSes, release of mediocre and gimmicky hardware, (and endless wait for some key technologies) really put many people off. The Q2 decline Just revealed their weakness. All of these gives us hints of the future of this company.
iPhone SE and Macintosh SE/30/classic joke?
Once they lost their core values and distinctions, what happened during the 90s' will happen again.

I really hope this will not be the case. I still think they have the vision for the future of computing and technology.
Wish things will change and they will continue to release great product as they always do...

I also don't think they are responsible for all these problems. I know some of us in this thread are not blaming, we are just disappointed.
I would sincerely thank Apple for this unique experience It gives me and many others, but it is the time to move on. The good old days are gone, and Apple definitely need to shake things up a little bit.
Maybe I will find a nice OEM mobile workstation that will fit my need in Windows side of thing.
See you guys at "Waiting for Cannonlake MacBook Pro thread"!

Jun.4, 2016, 9 days before WWDC

All that the Q2 decline revealed is that it was impossible for the iPhone to grow forever, but everyone should have realized that anyways.

 

[doctorwhofan98]

Hey, guys. Here is what I got so far. First I come from China. In a Chinese website ZHIHU(you can say it Chinese Quara), a anonymous guy posted info about mbp( including Oled bar, four type c and bigger touchpad) before any news and he is right. I suppose he is from Foxconn. Other than these, he says the new 13 mbp will have two cooling fans which may suggest the existence of dgpu. Also, all type c ports support tb3; no more light on the back; the base model start with cpu2.9, ram8, 256gb; Touch ID on the power button; no MagSafe; same ****** keyboard as nmb; thinner. The most important thing he says is that the mass production start August. I read this as "No mbp" on 13th.

That would match up with the rumours about it launching September onwards, though the lack of MagSafe and the keyboard from the MacBook would be disappointing.

 

[navaira]

I was wondering, if we will reach page 666 and the MBP still won't be released...
Hell confirmed?

Apple Hell coming soon: every keyboard and mouse needs a proprietary cable to charge while it's upside down, iPad Pro Pencil breaks within 30 seconds of sticking it in the iPad socket even if you just look at it, and Ive & Team removed the obsolete battery technology from iPhones so you MUST wear an iHump anywhere you go...

The way people treat Serban is incredible.

"Serban knows nothing and is a liar!"
"Please good sir Serban send me a PM pretty please"
"The PM did not contain a 200-page PDF with Tim Cook's roadmap until 2019! It's a scam!"
"But by the way Serban do you know if the 2016 MBP will contain a RS-232 connector?"
And the the collective
"AAAARGGGHHHH I must buy a MBP yesterday lazy Apple!!!"

I'm here with my Air that I bought in November expecting a new version on Black Friday. Then in March. Then now (which looks like it's not going to happen). I can wait till September and chuckle at this thread daily, goes well with breakfast.

 

[vatter69]

Personally i can't wait for the new Watch bands shown at WWDC - Watchband Worldwide Deployment Center - correct?

 

[craigyy]

September/October seems so far away! Any chance of the imac being updated before then? I just find it really really hard to believe that between September and December they are going to bring out a new iPhone, apple watch, mbp, imac and people are saying a new mac mini or Mac pro. Now that is A LOT.

 

[apolloa]

So no new MBP until end of the year, no problem, just need to choose a colour for my iPad Pro then hmmmm
I can also get all the bits to make my laptop a desktop setup, hmm now which monitor??

 

[pmau]

Waiting for Skylake MBP since January makes me sick and i'm tired of this ****, Pascal 1070 and Polaris notebooks are coming in 3Q2016, guess im going to buy 1 if there's no new rMBPs announced at WWDC.

I'm always considering buying something else, because Apple has demonstrated a strange design strategy in the last few month. Even if the MacBooks are fantastic, they are probably drawbacks caused by minimalistic choices that other vendors simply do not make.

Even if it is all I would like to buy, it's still questionable what product cycle Apple will choose after that.
I mean, I'm willing to buy expensive only if I get a high end device for my money.
On the other hand I might buy a cheaper Dell (for example) but upgrade more often.

I cannot stand Apples current attitude to let products rot in their portfolio for so long.
It's not about "Oh, we wait until all the greatest components are available", it's more like "we milk every cent from years old components".

And this I cannot stand, even if the next model would be great.

I can spend money on cheap but current laptops without loosing sleep, but I cannot invest into Apple strategy when they aren't showing no clear motivation to provide a fresh product line,

Apple could have Skylake for a long time, it would be easy to update a 4k Thunderbolt Display, they could have bumped the specs on the 2nd gen MacBook regarding ports and power.

But they choose to limit themselves, because they can afford to sell only iPhones to make all the money.

I sometimes wish the iPhone would not sell that well, because THEN Apple might put more focus on Macs and SOFTWARE.
But Apple in its current form can still ignore all of that without any scratch on their image.

I really hope this will change, I don't want them to fail but I want them to realise that they cannot get away with their current strategy that is so limiting to customers.

 

[widestload]

So is anyone going to get a temporary machine in between if it is not released until the end of the year? Anyone crazy enough to do that? (Or am I the only one for actually considering it?)

That's what I've done. Well partly. I have a 2011 17" MPB which still gets used for some of the power hungry jobs, but sits mainly as a desktop replacement now and will likely get sold once I get a new 15" rMBP or whatever this year may bring.

However I also had a 2012 11" Macbook Air (with 8GB RAM). I bought it used a couple of years ago for about £475 as it was badly listed on ebay, (wording, ending at a bad time etc, oh how I love those listings), and had been using it as my 'laptop' for a while. It struggled with Lightroom, which I use a lot as a keen amateur photographer. I had been waiting to get the new 15" machine and replace both the 11" MBA and 17" MBP, but was fed up of waiting so long. So I started looking at what I could do in the meantime. Seeing that a used 13" 2015 rMBP can be picked up for a good price on ebay I eventually snagged a base model which had been bought direct from Apple in January this year for £620 (another badly listed one), its immaculate, still has 6 months of its warranty etc.

Ive now sold the MBA (for £435, so about £350 to me after fees etc). So its only cost me about £270 to upgrade between the two. We have no idea when the 2016 model will be available, but if its still a few months off I don't think its too much of cost to bare. You don't have to think of it as the new machine costing £1,000 and the old machine having no residual value.

Ok so the base 13" 2015 is no powerhouse and you always take a bit of a risk when buying used, but for those who really need a new machine ASAP, I would suggest looking at used ones, as selling your existing one well and buying a newer one low, doesn't have to cost that much and of course you can then resell again later too when the 2016 is ready and reviewed so you know it's worth buying.

 

[Serban]

Hey, guys. Here is what I got so far. First I come from China. In a Chinese website ZHIHU(you can say it Chinese Quara), a anonymous guy posted info about mbp( including Oled bar, four type c and bigger touchpad) before any news and he is right. I suppose he is from Foxconn. Other than these, he says the new 13 mbp will have two cooling fans which may suggest the existence of dgpu. Also, all type c ports support tb3; no more light on the back; the base model start with cpu2.9, ram8, 256gb; Touch ID on the power button; no MagSafe; same ****** keyboard as nmb; thinner. The most important thing he says is that the mass production start August. I read this as "No mbp" on 13th.

wrong when you say 13" mbp..from the start anything else is non sense

 

[WRONG]

I disagree with most of this.

- The Air is a deadman walking. No further comment needed.
- MacBook Pro is forthcoming, with redesign and all the stuff we don't know about, and all signs point to soon. Also, the 2015 MBP update was FINE — new trackpad design, new 2x storage, no Broadwell but Apple doesn't make these kinds of decisions lightly — I'm sure they had their reasons to not bother with a 5-10% bump in processor speed, and we'll never know why. Only nerds like us even know the names Broadwell and Haswell, and we're talking a VERY minor bump between those chipsets. It's NOT a big deal. All indications are that this year's machine will have myriad other changes, and of course there are reasons why these things didn't happen say last year. They always wait for technology to be available to do what they want, and do it well well — not for the sake of bumping specs.
- iMac is in great shape, what are you on about? It's amazing and was updated in October! It's only "caution" because it's approaching the end of its cycle, and all likelihood is we'll see another update around the same time this year.
- AGREE on the mini, my hope is that they're punting because a major refresh is under way. We'll see this year I think.
- Mac Pro, I think, will get a significant update this year. Didn't the E5 V4 Broadwell-EP Xeons just come out? Aren't we all expecting they're waiting on new GPUs coming out in the next month or two? So doesn't it make sense that that's not been updated yet?

My point was saying "I've been waiting for 14 months for this computer" that hasn't been released yet is silly as a reason that Apple's "reputation is degrading". It's going to come out as soon as its ready, and it's going to be great, and it's not like they skipped last year just because you didn't get your 5-10% Broadwell bump. How is waiting for the next major redesign somehow Apple's fault, especially now that we KNOW it's coming?

I won't comment on the iPhone stuff, but I seriously disagree with the state of the best selling and best loved phone out there.

Some people are never satisfied...

Thanks, you gave me the occasion to add further explanation to my statement.
(before that: I don't want to start a flame, so no rudeness intended )

As you point out, and as maybe wasn't clear from my words, a clue of Apple degrading is
the confusion between their lines of products.

Of course the MacBook Air doesn't make sense, and it's dead.
It's the only non-retina laptop, its design is radically different from the others... but Apple is still selling it for 1000$ circa.

Same for the non-retina MacBook Pro.
It's dead, it's gone, ok.
So why is it still there, selling for 1100$.
This is completely crazy.
It is confusing customers.

MacBook Pro is forthcoming.
In september.
Maybe.
Meanwhile, Apple still sell it for top dollars, with a 4 years old CPU and a GPU that's nothing but ridiculous.
I just hope that, if Apple will release it in september, it will sport a dramatic Polaris GPU, the new Octane SSD technology and monster batteries.
The point is, we don't know.

About the iMac.
Ok, that is maybe the second best updated Apple computer right now.
And yet, it's not supporting TB3.

MacPro and MacMini, and that's the point, we all think / hope they will receive a significative update.
It's near, they can do it, right? No.
Until now, we were always disappointed.

Should be talk about the "Thunderbolt Display"?
Better don't.

I want to go on a little bit with iPhone discussion.
It could be the "best iPhone they've ever made" or the more loved one, but its sales are slowing down,
and I think (and probably not only me) that in last years Apple didn't really innovative it.
The fact that they came back to 4" format is also kinda doubtful, especially for a company like Apple.
"Dear costumers, we decided that the best format for a phone is 4 inches"
few years later
"LOL Joking, the best format is 5.5 inches, no more 4 inches "
few years later
"LOL Joking, the best format is again 4 inches"


and still about innovation and design, I want to play a little game with you guys.
Here we have 6 of the latest Apple iPhones.
Can you tell the different models?

edit

Not sure what you disagree with?

You said yourself that the current Mac products are either "dead man walking" or "waiting to be updated". And that's exactly what WRONG was saying - everything is outdated.

You explain it with less words than mine.
Thanks!

There's no point being on here any longer

Of course there are points on being here longer!
We can still ask for Kaby Lake, or "when is it coming?", trust anonymous *sources*, post kitten pictures and get drunk together!
There are still a lot of things to do!

 

[kristoffer4]

If we don't see anything at WWD, I think I will just get the current model. Anyone in the same boat?

 

[WRONG]

If we don't see anything at WWD, I think I will just get the current model. Anyone in the same boat?

If Apple silently reduce the price, I may consider it.