He's talking about the screen above the keyboard. The way he referred to it as a screen leads me to believe that this is more than a black bar with fixed icons.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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They're not delayed, as far as anyone here knows. The MacBook was updated because the parts for it were available at the time. The Core M's came out way earlier, the MBP's use the H which just came out and if the dGPU's are new geo chips like Polaris, those are just about to come out and who knows what the screen is, they may also be waiting on sufficient yields for 16" 10bit TrueTone Retina displays or OLED/TouchID bars or maybe all of these things, but the earliest all of these things would be available would be soon, not months ago.
So, how is that a delay, much less delayed further and further? The only way that's true is like if they thought all of these components were going to be available in March for mass production and either tentatively planned the new MBP for around then, or stupidly announced something ahead of knowing for sure they could produce it on time, which Apple pretty much never does (Mac Pro was pushing this a bit).
w/ mark gurmann saying "absolutely only software at WWDC" I'll see you guys in September as to avoid the Serban echo chamber of ****. Cheers! 
That would be a little bit too extreme, I mean I never believed him and warned others about him, but blocking him would be a little too much IMHO.
Also take into account that is not only serban. I can come on here tomorrow and claim that there going to be new rMBPs at WWDC, and people will believe me because that's what they want to hear. It's pathetic really.
So is anyone going to get a temporary machine in between if it is not released until the end of the year? Anyone crazy enough to do that? (Or am I the only one for actually considering it?)
That's why I said I hope it's due to them waiting on more premium parts. I didn't mean "delay" as in, they announce something and then go back on it, like a rapper constantly announcing his album drop that never comes. I know Apple doesn't do that. More in the sense of "delay" past the date people are expecting is all I meant. (I.e. thinking it would be March, then June, then October. etc.) And I didn't mean that it couldn't have been for a good reason either--but it is frustrating, for whatever reason it may be done. That's why I'm expecting this new MBP to be something really great.
That's why I said I hope it's due to them waiting on more premium parts. I didn't mean "delay" as in, they announce something and then go back on it, like a rapper constantly announcing his album drop that never comes. I know Apple doesn't do that. More in the sense of "delay" past the date people are expecting is all I meant. (I.e. thinking it would be March, then June, then October. etc.) And I didn't mean that it couldn't have been for a good reason either--but it is frustrating, for whatever reason it may be done. That's why I'm expecting this new MBP to be something really great.
Agreed, looking back at it, I'll say that blocking him would be too extreme. However, I just don't think it's right for a person to have come to a thread, and after 80 pages of it, not either verified himself or his information.
There are way too many instances of him being wrong, and mostly by him "riding on the hype" of some news.
Yeah, I'll do that too. Everything that could have been discussed about the new rMBP has been discussed. There's no point being on here any longer. At least we got a confirmed DEFINITIVE date (sept/oct). But I'll be phantom crusing this thread for the nuclear meltdown that is definitely destined to happen at WWDC. It will be fun watching the tear tsunami from a distancew/ mark gurmann saying "absolutely only software at WWDC" I'll see you guys in September as to avoid the Serban echo chamber of ****. Cheers!
.Oh and prepare for the avalanche of people claiming that they will switch, just out of spite. Some will switch, but will flock back at Apple the minute they release the new rMBP. It's the same damn circus **** show everytime.
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True - I could only think of a few reasons - a lot of VM's or someone creating a database and keeping it all in memory. See - I'm old school - I wouldn't think of running that on a laptop - I'd think workstation or carving it out of a ESX host.
Will the update from the current CPU in the 13" to a Skylake make enough of a difference to wait till Sept.-Oct.? I don't really care about the OLED screen, TB3, Touch ID, USB-C, or any of the other potential upgrades tbh. I'm just wondering whether the CPU and iGPU upgrades will be large enough for me that I should wait? The most intensive things I'll be doing are audio editing and occasionally playing Civ 5 or 6 (when it comes out ;D)
Also, will current rMBP last for a lot less time than the one most likely coming out in late 2016? I'm afraid that its CPU will outdate it much sooner than is usual with MBPs. I hope to use this laptop for 4-5 years. Am I overestimating how outdated the current CPU is?
I'm not in dire need of an upgrade, but I'll definitely be suffering through those months if it comes to it.
Also, will current rMBP last for a lot less time than the one most likely coming out in late 2016? I'm afraid that its CPU will outdate it much sooner than is usual with MBPs. I hope to use this laptop for 4-5 years. Am I overestimating how outdated the current CPU is?
I'm not in dire need of an upgrade, but I'll definitely be suffering through those months if it comes to it.
Apple's laziness
Not really, that comment is reserved for the watch wristbands.
I never cared too much about Siri, but I do love bells and whistles. This new MBP is sounding pretty cool
I am so going to snatch one up the second it's available...
Is Gurman ever wrong? Really hoping he is on this one :..(
For starters, of course the average user devices are going to get more attention. This makes sense because there are far more average users out there than pros. There are going to be many more people who are in the market for a consumer-grade notebook like the 12" MacBook than there people who are in the market for a 15" MBP with an extremely power quad core i7, dGPU, etc., for instance.
I can understand all of the frustration, but it's not very logical, is it? The reason that the MacBook got a quicker update is because all of the parts that Apple needed to bring the refresh to a fruition were available at an earlier date than the ones suited for the MBP. The processors for the 15" were not even available until extremely recently, for example, and the dGPU's are not available either (if they plan on using one). Going forward this trend is just going to continue because Intel always puts out the less powerful, more consumer oriented products first.
Honestly, I don't think that people's disappointment is all that justified. They are expecting miracles. They wanted Apple to somehow be putting out machines months and months ago when the components just were not there until relatively recently. (I suppose that Apple could have pulled a Dell and used quad cores with GT2 graphics instead of GT4, but that's just not what they do.) If Intel hadn't launched the processors, and they hadn't, then how did people expect these machines in October of last year or March of this year. I think the disappointment will only be justified if WWDC comes and goes with nary a word.
Please note that I did not praise the MacBook as the "ultimate culmination of the vision of the notebook". I think you skewed my quote so that it no longer means what I intended it to mean. What I actually said that I felt that the MacBook was the "ultimate culmination of Steve's vision for the notebook" for the average user. There is a very big difference between those two. I never once said what I thought about it, but rather what I thought Steve's view would have been (he loved thin, light, fanless, fewer moving parts, and so I think that to him there would have been no finer notebook to be found). This is important because of all of those "OMG...Steve would NEVER have done this!!!" posts that we see all of the time that insinuate that Apple has lost all of Steve's vision and values. However, the vision that Apple possesses has always involved their professional machines changing over time to be more like their consumer models in my opinion. The rMBP became more like the MBA in that it jettisoned the optical drive, adopted flash storage, got rid of ports, etc. The next-gen MBP seems like it will adopt key aspects of the rMB and become more like it, as well.
You know, there is a reason why I am so active in the "Waiting for Skylake MBP" thread and it is because the MacBook is not what I need, so it is not the ultimate culmination of the notebook for me, either. I am also one of those advanced users who finds what the MacBook has to offer is just not enough. The screen is tiny, it only has a paltry 8 GB of RAM, the keyboard is just not all that good, one port, it'll probably start throttling down really quickly for me, etc. All that I meant to convey was praise that at least Apple still has a vision of what they think the notebook should be, and not that it's the gold standard of anything. That's it. However, just because this machine is clearly not for me, doesn't mean I am going to rail against it like so many here.
Overall, in my own opinion, I think there is no such thing as an "ultimate notebook" because no one has the same needs. Like I said, I think that Steve would have viewed the MacBook as the machine that all laptops should aspire to be. But, I think that Apple should focus on building the ultimate notebook for consumers and pros (instead of trying to lump them together).
I don't think that Apple is giving the MBP less priority. We aren't talking about the Mac Pro here.
Sorry for the length.
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No problem with length, that was an excellent response. The only thing I would say is that frustration isn't really meant to be logical, no? We're all just blowing off steam here and we're all obviously Apple fans. I just dread the gasket-blowing that's going to happen when no laptops are announced on the 13th. And then can we see if we can get this thread to 1000 pages?
Do we have an idea about the price of the new MBP? Would it be $1299 like the current MBP, or do you think the price will go up when its new?
Come on, of course he didn't say PCs = Macs, but everybody knows what he was refering with that iPad can do the PCs work. It wasn't an statement against their Mac competitors, but related to laptop/desktop tools to work with (this includes them), hence the affirmation of canibalization. Then, of course, he won't say Macs and PC's are the same, despite we all know they are the same tool if we compare them in general therms with other "electronic tools" (tablets, smartphones, etc).
And yes, it's the same iGPU unless there was a revision which overclocked it a bit, but basically new iGPU comes with the tik-tok Intel used to do, so still having Haswell means MBP still having 5200 Iris Pro.
What if Apple...wanting to surprise us...let out this rumor of releasing a rMBP in September, considering that pictures of the darn thing got leaked 2/3 days ago.
No problem with length, that was an excellent response. The only thing I would say is that frustration isn't really meant to be logical, no? We're all just blowing off steam here and we're all obviously Apple fans. I just dread the gasket-blowing that's going to happen when no laptops are announced on the 13th. And then can we see if we can get this thread to 1000 pages?
You are definitely right. Frustration isn't meant to be logical. I just look at everything from an extremely logical point of view, I guess. I am torn between taking a day off of work on the 13th and sitting here in fronetof this thread with a bowl of popcorn. It's going to be intense.
Actually, these days, a lot of professors are starting to ban technology in class and will dock your grade if they catch you using your phone or laptop while in lecture. It has to do with too many people slacking off during class and browsing social media, I think. This is something that I noticed catch fire around 2014 and 2015...and I was an Information Sciences major! During my later semesters, I often had to take notes with a pen and paper like a caveman or something. I always found it infuriating.
Not sure what you disagree with?
You said yourself that the current Mac products are either "dead man walking" or "waiting to be updated". And that's exactly what WRONG was saying - everything is outdated.
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