Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[shareef777]

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Regarding the 16GB iPhone...you know what they say about assumptions. That is not a decision that you will ever find me defending. I think that 16GB is way too little. If you have to go around inventing things like app thinning and the ability to delete apps on phones just to be able to download an OS upgrade, then you are obviously doing it wrong. That was a pure profit decision which, again, you'll never see me defend.

I do think that the Broadwell issue is more nuanced that that, which is why I am willing to defend Apple in this case, and I've already given my reasons. Apple refreshed the 15" MBP in May 2015 before the quad core Broadwell chips were out. Once Apple releases a model, they usually keep it on the market for at least six months (if you go back and look at the last ten years, at least). Perhaps they want to recoup any development costs, maybe they don't want to piss off anyone who's already purchased a released model by updating it too soon, or they just don't want to release too many models. They were never ever going to release a Broadwell 15" a month or so after they had just put the Mid 2015 15" MBP out on the market.

I suppose they could have squished an additional refresh in this past fall in order to bring it fully up-to-date, but by then Broadwell was already out of date anyways, and Intel had fully moved onto Skylake. They would have been between a rock and a hard place because by that point everyone wanted Skylake and wouldn't have been satisfied with a Broadwell based 15" MBP. I think that Apple decided to cut their loses, reorientate themselves, and concentrate on what was the new processor line out on the market.

I think that Intel really threw things off because not only were they late to market with Broadwell, but they cut it's lifecycle down to be much shorter than it should have been in order to not be late with Skylake. Apple, I think, is trying to reorientate themselves with Intel's new release cycles.

Yes, I know that money is the primary reason behind their decisions, as it is for any company. However, what I am saying is that the decision to keep Haswell in the 15" was not based on money in my opinion. I mean, they put Broadwell in the 13". If they were so concerned about penny pinching they could have kept Haswell in it as well. So why didn't they? Because the processor was available when they needed it to be...that's why. It wasn't for the 15".

I can agree with that, but as you mentioned, broadwell was available last fall and they're doing a redesign so they know that nothing else is available. Should have released it.

 

[Rob_2811]

Ming Chi Kuos Q4 comments obviously referred to calendar Q4, which would mean an October (or later) launch for the new MBPs

 

[cambookpro]

I can deal with September, it's not ideal but it's not disastrous. I'd really prefer to be able to buy one before October when university starts though, my current MBP only gets an hour and a bit on battery and is fairly large and weighty.

If it's later, I'll just use my current one and my iPad to tide me over. I'm not spending ~£1.5k on a 2015 model, just doesn't seem worth it.

There's really no excuse for the 13" model not being released, though. The 15" I can sort of understand with Polaris and Skylake CPUs only just being available, but there's no theoretical reason (apart from Apple's choice/organisation) the 13" couldn't be released today.

 

[Arthur75]

I still have a bit of hope from the financial guy from Apple saying he was expecting laptop sales to pick up in June, but very little ...

 

[Hellhammer]

I still have a bit of hope from the financial guy from Apple saying he was expecting laptop sales to pick up in June, but very little ...

That happens anyway due to Back to School promotion as new students need laptops for college.

 

[plogue87]

...IOS+OS are coming together...may take time and apple have drawn clear lines for the moment...but it's
happening...Windows?...hmmm, maybe Windows compatability will be ditched...nobody 'likes' Windows, right?

It's not a matter of liking Windows if you need to use it for work...

 

[ThisBougieLife]

It's not a matter of liking Windows if you need to use it for work...

Yeah, sometimes I feel like the only people who use Windows are forced to use it, for work or for gaming, or they simply don't care. It's rare that I see someone actually prefer Windows and tout its positives the way people do with OS X.

 

[aaronRobeson]

When there was no news in March I was certain we'd have them at WWDC

 

[snowboardpunk]

damn wanted this for free headphones... And school...

 

[KirekkusuPT]

Sorry I've not been paying to much attention to this (Exams time at the university), but as far as I've read, we are not having macs on WWDC?

How possible is this of happening? 50/50? Just a guess? Almost certain?

Damn, I can wait till september/october, but I would honestly love to have them now.

 

[jp5]

Coming from a PC background, how buggy are Mac design changes i.e. first year models?

If one is offput by the oled toolbar and predicted butterfly keyboard, and ignoring the slight battery and processor clock boost, is there any reason not to go with the 2015 13" model?

I don't sell my old computers so resale is not an issue.

 

[Loge]

Presumably the new MBP's are going to be included in the iPhone event in September.

Yes, well demonstrating the lack of a headphone port is only going to take up so much time.

 

[Rumptydumpty]

I have a hard time believing that Apple will not at least mention the 13 inch mbp at WWDC (even if they ship 1 to 2 months later). From a marketing perspective there could be no better time for the announcement of a completely redesigned product.
I will not accuse Apple of being lazy (because just like many of you, I don't believe it) but their inability to update the mac mini and the mac pro lead me to question the lack of a competitive roadmap for mac computers. it almost feels like apple is "winging it". I consider merely presenting software updates (revolutionary or not) at such a big event irresponsible given the unusual aging of the mac lines.
If you ask me, Apple's stock could be in some kind of trouble once again.

 

[aaronRobeson]

Sorry I've not been paying to much attention to this (Exams time at the university), but as far as I've read, we are not having macs on WWDC?

Current status as far as I can tell:
• No hardware announcements at WWDC (reliable sources seem confident in this)
• Probable launch/announcement for new rMBPs is in September with the iPhone event
• New rMBPs will have Skylake processors, touchID, and an OLED touchscreen replacing the function row, ports as we can see in the supposed leaked photos show 4 USBc ports, and a headphone jack, no magsafe, no USB 3 ports. Though those images were of a 13" machine so the 15" MBP may have a different setup. There is also the possibility that those photos are fake or not a MBP but instead some new machine.

Personally I'm still holding out hope that we will at least hear something at WWDC about them even if they don't ship for a while.

 

[Aditya_S]

Is the 13" 2015 MBP still good if I decide to buy it now?

 

[aaronRobeson]

@Aditya_S If you mean the non-retina version, then it's not a terrible computer for 1k, but you would almost certainly want to replace the hard drive with solid state. If that's the kind of computer you really want then there's no harm buying it now since it will probably be discontinued in the near future.

Edit: I hadn't actually looked at it in a while, it hasn't received an update in almost 4 years, so I can't really recommend it, again it is likely to be discontinued soon.

 

[Woochoo]

So is anyone going to get a temporary machine in between if it is not released until the end of the year? Anyone crazy enough to do that? (Or am I the only one for actually considering it?)

I already did it from my MBP 2010 to a MBA 2014 model early last year, so I could wait 1 year or so till new MBPs. So it seems it will be 1 year and a half, or even more.

Btw, everybody says AMD just presented Polaris, and they will be the 29th June for sale for customers, but couldn't also exist the option of agreements with business to have them before customer's release? I mean, I can't believe Apple or any other big computer manufacturers can't access Polaris before "normal people" do as standalone component.

 

[Rumptydumpty]

Coming from a PC background, how buggy are Mac changes i.e. first year models?

If one is offput by the oled toolbar and predicted butterfly keyboard, and ignoring the slight battery and processor clock boost, is there any reason not to go with the 2015 13" model?

I don't sell my old computers so resale is not an issue.

My family has bought Macs since the Apple classic. Here is the list of macs my pops bought: Macintosh LC 475, Powermac G3 233 Mhz outrigger, Powermac G4 AGP 400 Mhz, a bunch of iMacs (3 or 4 of them), Powerbook G4 titanium, ibook G4, macbook pro etc (we have a big family of 7)

We only experienced minor problems: the paint on the powerbook titanium chipped a bit, the screen on the G5 imac died after 8 years. The DVD drive of the imac G3 stopped working after 6 years. The power whole of the ibook G4 got loose after 6 years.

I consider all of this to be normal wear and tear so nothing out of the ordinary. The computers always outlived the life cycle we had for them (5-6 years)

 

[Fandrei]

@Aditya_S If you mean the non-retina version, then it's not a terrible computer for 1k, but you would almost certainly want to replace the hard drive with solid state. If that's the kind of computer you really want then there's no harm buying it now since it will probably be discontinued in the near future.

Edit: I hadn't actually looked at it in a while, it hasn't received an update in almost 4 years, so I can't really recommend it, again it is likely to be discontinued soon.

he said MBP 2015..the classic one is 2012 model

 

[Rumptydumpty]

Is the 13" 2015 MBP still good if I decide to buy it now?

The non-retina version is abysmal and absolutely not worth buying. The macbook air is a better buy if you want an inexpensive laptop. Otherwise, current retina macbook pros retina are perfectly fine despite an imminent refresh.

 

[doctorwhofan98]

@Aditya_S If you mean the non-retina version, then it's not a terrible computer for 1k, but you would almost certainly want to replace the hard drive with solid state. If that's the kind of computer you really want then there's no harm buying it now since it will probably be discontinued in the near future.

Edit: I hadn't actually looked at it in a while, it hasn't received an update in almost 4 years, so I can't really recommend it, again it is likely to be discontinued soon.

They're referring to the Retina MacBook Pro, as they said "2015 MBP".

 

[Corrode]

Despite reputable sources saying otherwise, I'll be very surprised if there's no Mac hardware announced at WWDC. Just way too long between updates, even for Apple.

Also, with the leak we had last week (if legitimate) seems to indicate that nMPBs are already in production.

I guess we'll see in a few days!

 

[doctorwhofan98]

Is the 13" 2015 MBP still good if I decide to buy it now?

Yep, it's still a great computer, and it actually has a more up to date processor than the 15 inch model at this point! It'll still last a long time, though it might be worth waiting just over a week, just in case Apple does announce something at WWDC.

 

[ssong]

That happens anyway due to Back to School promotion as new students need laptops for college.

And to add more weight to your comment, they did say in the conference call that it was the usual seasonal growth. So yeah, most likely BTS not new product

It just bums me out though that based on current assumptions Apple will be launching a new rMBP AFTER the BTS promotion, essentially using students as a clearance market. That doesn't seem too cool.

 

[doctorwhofan98]

And to add more weight to your comment, they did say in the conference call that it was the usual seasonal growth. So yeah, most likely BTS not new product

It just bums me out though that based on current assumptions Apple will be launching a new rMBP AFTER the BTS promotion, essentially using students as a clearance market. That doesn't seem too cool.

Yeah, not only are they letting people spend thousands of dollars on outdated hardware, but I'm also personally quite annoyed - free Beats wireless headphones would be really nice, but the offer will have expired by the time I can buy the 2016 MBP.