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Hello, I have some questions that I hope someone can help me with. Just a quick break down I am coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro 15 and need a new laptop now. I do not need a real powerful laptop and that has caused my confusion.

1) better overall option 2016 MacBook or 2015 MacBook Pro 13 for me?

2) how big of a user experience upgrade will either be coming from a 2011?

3) how are the speakers on both devices? (I watch tons of movies and stream music)

4) if you were me would you just continue to use your iPhone and wait instead? Lol

Sorry in advance if these posts are considered annoying to you folks.
 
Fandrei said:
you have to adapt, because this is the future, i mean if the 2016 is not for you, then not the 2017..2018 etc will either
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2016 model only isn't for me now. In the future when USB C is mainstream and HDMI becomes phased out, then the new MBP models would work for me. But for now, I can't use it without it making my school work very inconvenient.
 
TheGreatNike said:
Hello, I have some questions that I hope someone can help me with. Just a quick break down I am coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro 15 and need a new laptop now. I do not need a real powerful laptop and that has caused my confusion.

1) better overall option 2016 MacBook or 2015 MacBook Pro 13 for me?

2) how big of a user experience upgrade will either be coming from a 2011?

3) how are the speakers on both devices? (I watch tons of movies and stream music)

4) if you were me would you just continue to use your iPhone and wait instead? Lol

Sorry in advance if these posts are considered annoying to you folks.
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Important question... MacBook Pro w/ or without retina? I only have the 2015 rMBP so I can't really speak to the differences between the two. Here's my opinion, FWIW...

If color makes a difference, get a MacBook.
If you think that you're fine limited to 8/512, consider a MacBook.
If you care about lugging it around, consider the MacBook.
Just remember, it's a 12" vs a 13.3" for an MBP. Coming down from a 15" you will notice the size difference.
The MacBook only has 1 USB-C port. Everything daisy chains off that port. If you like MagSafe, it's not there. If you have a lot of peripherals, you'll need adapters - which I personally hate buying. I like available ports.
Audio is ok - you're listening on a laptop with no visible speakers like on the old 15" MBP - so it may be a let down there. Whatever you buy now you can get a pair of wireless beats free so don't know how that factors in.

I think that the MacBook is way overpriced for what you get... But in the end it's what you want. If I were a college student... I might consider the MacBook because it's lighter and more luggable. But then again, I might get an iPad with an external keyboard. You really need to wait a bit and see what the announcements for software coming out of WWDC next week - a iPad running OS/X may be more appealing.

Just my .02
 
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Cayden said:
Bouncing files and low latency are the biggest needs for audio pros. Quickly bouncing audio takes quite a bit of the cpu when it is happening and it takes quite a while on an older system. The other issue is when you're recording multiple tracks in at the same time (my small 3 person band has about 18 tracks when tracking live) without increased cpu and at least 16 GB of RAM the tracks start lagging. While this might be okay when mixing, any latency above 10 ms will cause timing issues and result in a bad recording. When mixing 20+ channels all with dozens of individuals plug-ins my computer will often freeze up, halting my work flow
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RAM has nothing to do with latency and lag when recording. Its all about disk speed, audio interface speed, and CPU power. RAM only really comes into play when using software instruments. I could record 18 tracks at size 64 buffer on
My original white MacBook with Pro Tools 7 and a Digi 00- series FireWire interface and an external drive. 2GB RAM. But mixing the tracks at such a low buffer and adding plug-ins would kill the cpu.

Recording withoug plug-ins makes little demand on the CPU, but heavy on the drive. The Pro Tools user guides used to
List how many tracks you could record at various latencys depending on different HD speeds. (4200vs5400vs7200vs10000rpm).

The improvements from Haswell to Skylake mean maybe 10% increase for DAWs since we are mostly about CPU speed. I could do everything In Studio One with the current 13" that I will with a new Skylake machine. I'm only waiting for Skylake because I want to use several 4k displays when docked in my home studio.

Unless you need the video improvements from Skylake, the current 13" is already great for a mobile DAW use.

Right now I'm mixing 40 track projects In Studio One on a 2012 MBA. Not even breaking a sweat.

Unless people are thinking about gaming or video, the complaints regarding the 2015 13" are bulls**t.
[doublepost=1465091705][/doublepost]Challenge:
Find a 13" laptop that actually performs better than a BTO 2015 rMBP 13" at actual work tasks.

Not specced better but actually doing the job better. Then we can use words like "outdated."
 
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If anybody has both a MB and a MBP or MBA, can you tell me how much of an advantage MagSafe has over USB C charging, and is there a big enough difference to factor that in when deciding to buy a 2015 MBP and 2016 MBP?
 
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If anybody has both a MB and a MBP or MBA, can you tell me how much of an advantage MagSafe has over USB C charging, and is there a big enough difference to factor that in when deciding to buy a 2015 MBP and 2016 MBP?
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Not a decision maker itself for 99% of the people. But if you have either a MBA/MBP or a MB on a table and someone trips over the cable, your MBA/MBP will be fine, while your MB will be dragged along and can hit the floor. Another thing is the fact that you don't have to worry about your computer when you take it off the charger. Since it's just magnets, it'll slide off, whereas you have to remember to attach/detach your charger every time you want to take out your MB.

Again, really not a deal breaker for me, but definitely hoping that Apple releases a TB3 compatible MagSafe charger.
 
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Not a decision maker itself for 99% of the people. But if you have either a MBA/MBP or a MB on a table and someone trips over the cable, your MBA/MBP will be fine, while your MB will be dragged along and can hit the floor. Another thing is the fact that you don't have to worry about your computer when you take it off the charger. Since it's just magnets, it'll slide off, whereas you have to remember to attach/detach your charger every time you want to take out your MB.

Again, really not a deal breaker for me, but definitely hoping that Apple releases a TB3 compatible MagSafe charger.
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I'm sure a third party will release one soon after release. Most likely before Apple. No?
 
TheGreatNike said:
I'm sure a third party will release one soon after release. Most likely before Apple. No?
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Yeah, I probably will buy a third party one like the Griffin BreakSafe Magnetic USB C cable. But I really hope Apple includes MagSafe technology into all of the USB C ports so instead of just charging, you can use it with peripherals too.
 
yanksrock100 said:
Lack of MagSafe isn't really a dealbreaker for me on the MBP if it has 4 USB-C ports. Griffin sells this MacSafe like adapter for USB-C (https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable), so I wouldn't mind always having it in one of my ports.
This isn't really a viable solution for the rMB because it only has one port and you would have to constantly remove it.
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Yeah I mentioned the Griffin BreakSafe cable in my post before this one.
 
TechZeke said:
If there's no Mac updates or announcements at WWDC, then it will be pretty clear the direction Apple is going. I may just get a 2015 15" with a killer deal from a 3rd party reseller then that will probably be my last Mac. There's simply no excuse with their vast amount of resources. Instead of building a fancy mothership campus they should be focusing on regularly updating and improving products. The fact is, Apple seems only worried about iPhones, iPads, and Watch bands. It makes no sense that manufacturers the fraction the size of Apple can regularly keep their computers updated but Apple can't.

You know it's bad when, as a person who owns two damn Mac computers, I can't recommend buying any new Mac right now to family and friends.
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I already made my decision, one that I wouldn't have ever imagined it a few months ago. My actual MBA (which was a temporary Mac till new MBPs came) is the last Mac I buy, at least until Apple starts giving Macs & OSX all the attention they require. So my main working OS now will be Windows.
I'll look after WWDC for new Macs tho, and definitely on September-October release of OSX 10.12, to see if my actual audio problems are fixed. I really want to come back, but until Apple starts making serious and stable OSXs, and focussing on fixing things and making them pure stable, instead of adding emojis or FB integration, I think I'll have to deal with Windows. At least there I'll have more brute force to move high workloads for much less money, even if having other sh*tty system problems.

Come on Apple, it isn't that hard to do, just make a new OSX every 2-3 years and make it great and rock solid instead of rushing a new OSX every year with new social features. In computers OS you don't have to compete with annual releases like with smartphones and Android!

EDIT: I think I'm leaving this thread till 13th, I can't read 6-7 new pages every time I sign in and answering something some pages before feels like breaking the last trend of posts.
 
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Woochoo said:
I already made my decision, one that I wouldn't have ever imagined it a few months ago. My actual MBA (which was a temporary Mac till new MBPs came) is the last Mac I buy, at least until Apple starts giving Macs & OSX all the attention they require. So my main working OS now will be Windows.
I'll look after WWDC for new Macs tho, and definitely on September-October release of OSX 10.12, to see if my actual audio problems are fixed. I really want to come back, but until Apple starts making serious and stable OSXs, and focussing on fixing things and making them pure stable, instead of adding emojis or FB integration, I think I'll have to deal with Windows. At least there I'll have more brute force to move high workloads for much less money, even if having other sh*tty system problems.

Come on Apple, it isn't that hard to do, just make a new OSX every 2-3 years and make it great and rock solid instead of rushing a new OSX every year with new social features. In computers OS you don't have to compete with annual releases like with smartphones and Android!

EDIT: I think I'm leaving this thread till 13th, I can't read 6-7 new pages every time I sign in and answering something some pages before feels like breaking the last trend of posts.
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Yeah, I always wondered why Apple updated OS X every year but Microsoft gave Windows much larger updates every 3-4 years.
 
kevinkyoo said:
Not a decision maker itself for 99% of the people. But if you have either a MBA/MBP or a MB on a table and someone trips over the cable, your MBA/MBP will be fine, while your MB will be dragged along and can hit the floor. Another thing is the fact that you don't have to worry about your computer when you take it off the charger. Since it's just magnets, it'll slide off, whereas you have to remember to attach/detach your charger every time you want to take out your MB.

Again, really not a deal breaker for me, but definitely hoping that Apple releases a TB3 compatible MagSafe charger.
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I wonder if the reason why the MB doesn't have MagSafe is because it is too light to benefit? It's so lightweight that if it had MagSafe and someone tripped on the cord, I'd imagine that there is a far greater chance of the magnet not disconnecting, causing your machine to take a tumble regardless.
 
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Brad9893 said:
I wonder if the reason why the MB doesn't have MagSafe is because it is too light to benefit? It's so lightweight that if it had MagSafe and someone tripped on the cord, I'd imagine that there is a far greater chance of the magnet not disconnecting, causing your machine to take a tumble regardless.
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I thought it was because it was way too thin to include MagSafe 2, and Apple either couldn't or didn't want to make a thinner MagSafe connector.
 
Aditya_S said:
Yeah, I always wondered why Apple updated OS X every year but Microsoft gave Windows much larger updates every 3-4 years.
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Microsoft has now moved onto a similar rapid release update cycle for Windows 10, and is in some ways even faster. They will deliver a major update with new features for Windows 10 every year, with a more minor update six months after.
 
Aditya_S said:
I thought it was because it was way too thin to include MagSafe 2, and Apple either couldn't or didn't want to make a thinner MagSafe connector.
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The MacBook is too thin, but I don't think that there was anything to stop them from creating a thinner MagSafe 3. They definitely decided to not do this, as far as we know, so there must be another reason, right? I hope it was for a practical reason, like the MacBook being too light, and not because they thought that adding a MagSafe connector in addition to USB-C would ruin the design.
 
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I read and keep up with this thread pretty religiously but it doesn't make sense to me that Apple would get rid of MagSafe. Is there a reason they would replace it with USB-C, in terms of charge times or anything?

Also, and I know this is said a lot, I can't imagine Apple not saying anything regarding the MBP at WWDC. We're almost at 400 days without an update and the current ones are basically two years out of date. I hope either they drop the price of the current model or at the very least acknowledge the fact they still sell MBPs.

And if they spend any more than 20 minutes on health/environment/watchbands, I don't know what I'm going to do.
 
andrewtm said:
I read and keep up with this thread pretty religiously but it doesn't make sense to me that Apple would get rid of MagSafe. Is there a reason they would replace it with USB-C, in terms of charge times or anything?

Also, and I know this is said a lot, I can't imagine Apple not saying anything regarding the MBP at WWDC. We're almost at 400 days without an update and the current ones are basically two years out of date. I hope either they drop the price of the current model or at the very least acknowledge the fact they still sell MBPs.

And if they spend any more than 20 minutes on health/environment/watchbands, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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USB-C would charge much faster than a MagSafe charger, I'd assume. It's pretty much the jack of all trades nowadays, although there have yet to be a lot of peripherals for it to be announced (Which is why a lot of people would've liked at least one USB-A).
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Woochoo said:
I already made my decision, one that I wouldn't have ever imagined it a few months ago. My actual MBA (which was a temporary Mac till new MBPs came) is the last Mac I buy, at least until Apple starts giving Macs & OSX all the attention they require. So my main working OS now will be Windows.
I'll look after WWDC for new Macs tho, and definitely on September-October release of OSX 10.12, to see if my actual audio problems are fixed. I really want to come back, but until Apple starts making serious and stable OSXs, and focussing on fixing things and making them pure stable, instead of adding emojis or FB integration, I think I'll have to deal with Windows. At least there I'll have more brute force to move high workloads for much less money, even if having other sh*tty system problems.

Come on Apple, it isn't that hard to do, just make a new OSX every 2-3 years and make it great and rock solid instead of rushing a new OSX every year with new social features. In computers OS you don't have to compete with annual releases like with smartphones and Android!

EDIT: I think I'm leaving this thread till 13th, I can't read 6-7 new pages every time I sign in and answering something some pages before feels like breaking the last trend of posts.
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Funny thing is, if my MacBook Pro sells (If not, I'm content with using it), I'll be looking at a PC + MBA combo. It's sad that the MBA might be the latest computer from Apple that is actually great. But I guess that's where we are.
 
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ok i read all of his work
He said that are 99% chances so not 100 for wwdc but apple is wirking with intel for a secure touchid chip. So i guess we will see, if apple introduce in fall mbp with secured touchid...so lets flame and blame him after the facts, you know,behave like grown people who don't play games
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JamesMcFlyJR said:
my frat house would like to say otherwise. we play fifa on ps4 all the time. smh
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yes but this is minority, people over 35,40 years, has family, maybe the father buy his son a pc to play games and not for himself. to play games frequently in your free time means sadness, loneliness in real life.All grown people prefer to take his family/friends into a trip, or a drink, than stare in front of a monitor for hours.
 
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