Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Erdbeertorte]

Hey,

I just wanted to say I am waiting too and read the whole thread now starting at page 179 or so where I stopped reading a while back. It took me about a week to get to the last page.

Actually I am on page 597 of 601 now because when I woke up today there were again a few new pages.

Very nice and funny here with you guys.

 

[Fandrei]

Hey,

I just wanted to say I am waiting too and read the whole thread now starting at page 179 or so where I stopped reading a while back. It took me about a week to get to the last page.

Actually I am on page 597 of 601 now because when I woke up today there were again a few new pages.

Very nice and funny here with you guys.

Funny and happy is the key to a real life you woke up after a nice dream right ? like WWDC ?

 

[Cayden]

RAM has nothing to do with latency and lag when recording. Its all about disk speed, audio interface speed, and CPU power. RAM only really comes into play when using software instruments. I could record 18 tracks at size 64 buffer on
My original white MacBook with Pro Tools 7 and a Digi 00- series FireWire interface and an external drive. 2GB RAM. But mixing the tracks at such a low buffer and adding plug-ins would kill the cpu.

Recording withoug plug-ins makes little demand on the CPU, but heavy on the drive. The Pro Tools user guides used to
List how many tracks you could record at various latencys depending on different HD speeds. (4200vs5400vs7200vs10000rpm).

The improvements from Haswell to Skylake mean maybe 10% increase for DAWs since we are mostly about CPU speed. I could do everything In Studio One with the current 13" that I will with a new Skylake machine. I'm only waiting for Skylake because I want to use several 4k displays when docked in my home studio.

Unless you need the video improvements from Skylake, the current 13" is already great for a mobile DAW use.

Right now I'm mixing 40 track projects In Studio One on a 2012 MBA. Not even breaking a sweat.

Unless people are thinking about gaming or video, the complaints regarding the 2015 13" are bulls**t.
[doublepost=1465091705][/doublepost]Challenge:
Find a 13" laptop that actually performs better than a BTO 2015 rMBP 13" at actual work tasks.

Not specced better but actually doing the job better. Then we can use words like "outdated."

That is actually pretty awesome, I need to check out pro tools. I just know from my experience that Logic Pro X kills my RAM. It'll often use all 8 GB and cause the cpu to over lock, even with nothing else open. This may be due to the fact that I am using multiple interfaces at a time, but using other MacBooks with more RAM has shown me great improvements. Although tracking straight through doesn't really seem to hurt the ram, I find it when you are clicking in to a certain part the RAM usage goes up quite a bit. I am also unable to monitor levels on the graphic EQ above ~12 dB which is quite unfortunate. Even with a newer low latency interface I'm still getting round trip latency around 11.4 ms even on low latency mode, most likely due to cpu issues and the fact that it's running on USB 2.0. This is all on the 2014 model, but it is the low end 13". MIDI tracks also lag quite a bit, and I'd wish I could get some improvement with that

I also forgot to mention I record at 24 bit and 192 KHz, so the system definitely takes a told from the higher frequency range and bit rate

 

[abrooks14]

"Funny thing is, if my MacBook Pro sells (If not, I'm content with using it), I'll be looking at a PC + MBA combo. It's sad that the MBA might be the latest computer from Apple that is actually great. But I guess that's where we are".

I think that's a good combo. My wife and I are going to get a PC laptop each this week and my MBA can soldier on until it dies. Not sure what I do then unless they drop the prices on the Macbook to where the Air is now.

 

[Fandrei]

That is actually pretty awesome, I need to check out pro tools. I just know from my experience that Logic Pro X kills my RAM. It'll often use all 8 GB and cause the cpu to over lock, even with nothing else open. This may be due to the fact that I am using multiple interfaces at a time, but using other MacBooks with more RAM has shown me great improvements. Although tracking straight through doesn't really seem to hurt the ram, I find it when you are clicking in to a certain part the RAM usage goes up quite a bit. I am also unable to monitor levels on the graphic EQ above ~12 dB which is quite unfortunate. Even with a newer low latency interface I'm still getting round trip latency around 11.4 ms even on low latency mode, most likely due to cpu issues and the fact that it's running on USB 2.0. This is all on the 2014 model, but it is the low end 13". MIDI tracks also lag quite a bit, and I'd wish I could get some improvement with that

yes final cut pro needs ram often
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"Funny thing is, if my MacBook Pro sells (If not, I'm content with using it), I'll be looking at a PC + MBA combo. It's sad that the MBA might be the latest computer from Apple that is actually great. But I guess that's where we are".

I think that's a good combo. My wife and I are going to get a PC laptop each this week and my MBA can soldier on until it dies. Not sure what I do then unless they drop the prices on the Macbook to where the Air is now.

why you think that only MBA is a great comp, i think 13"MBP is even better thanks to its screen. Yes its heavier but you got a lot for a little extra

 

[knassar]

It will be a nightmare for me if 16" is staggered to Q4 or Q1. First world problems and all...

Sorry to quote something from 2 pages back, but this is the first post Oppenheim has made that hasn't made me want to punch his teeth in. Civil, relatable and not even condescending.

Good on you mate. I'm savouring the moment.
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Over. Probably over 9000

FTFY

 

[Brad9893]

"Funny thing is, if my MacBook Pro sells (If not, I'm content with using it), I'll be looking at a PC + MBA combo. It's sad that the MBA might be the latest computer from Apple that is actually great. But I guess that's where we are".

I think that's a good combo. My wife and I are going to get a PC laptop each this week and my MBA can soldier on until it dies. Not sure what I do then unless they drop the prices on the Macbook to where the Air is now.

I'd imagine that it'll be like the original MBA, where after a couple of generations they dropped the price to entry level (well, Apple entry level) even though it was very expensive at first. As they begin to phase out the MBA in favor of the MB, I'm sure that the price will begin to come down in order to meet existing MBA prices. Of course, knowing how long Apple is stretching out product cycles, that might not be for awhile yet. Who really knows?

 

[Erdbeertorte]

Funny and happy is the key to a real life you woke up after a nice dream right ? like WWDC ?

Yes, that's right. Maybe the thread or WWDC was in my dreams, can't remember... But after so many days doing nothing else than reading this thread in my spare time it is very possible.

I have a nice and good working 17-inch Late 2011 MBP, that I bought used one and a half year ago. It's the best and fastest version of it with 2.5 GHz i7, Radeon 6770M, non-glossy screen, upgraded RAM to 16 GB with 2133 MHz (I did not know before that this is possible), an ExpressCard/34 with two USB 3.0 ports, an SSD for OS X and everything else and a HDD just for Time Machine, of course a much larger external backup HDD for both internal disks in addition, what is in an enclosure that looks like an old Mac Pro mini with USB 3.0, Firewire 800, 400 and eSATA (I use FireWire 800), and I have a second one of those that I can connect by FireWire 800 to the first one.

But I also have a 5K Late-2015 iMac, totally maxed out, what is overkill for me.

Now I am hoping for a new 16- or even 17-inch MBP to replace both of them. That would be great because the old one is too heavy and has no retina display, that's why I bought the iMac, what I wouldn't need if my dreams come true.

Luckily I have no problems with that almost 5 years old MBP, even the battery is still very good (might be replaced by the pre-owner). So I have time to wait... But the screen compared to the iMac is not that good anymore and a better portability, faster SSD + just having one machine would be very nice.

 

[You are the One]

Yes, that's right. Maybe the thread or WWDC was in my dreams, can't remember... But after so many days doing nothing else than reading this thread in my spare time it is very possible.

Mmmm, strawberries... your sweet energy is needed here

"What we are waiting for is not as important as what happens to us while we are waiting. Trust the process."

 

[MindBreaker]

I'm really hoping for a WWDC release of the 13". My 2010 13" is hanging on a thin thread! Keyboard doesn't work, battery around 1.5 hours if I'm lucky and aren't streaming (something like 1400 cycles...) . Headphone port also doesn't clamp the headphones so headphone port also wacky just as my USB ports who don't really work anymore. At least the screen is still good I need a new one Apple!

 

[Oppenheim]

Sorry to quote something from 2 pages back, but this is the first post Oppenheim has made that hasn't made me want to punch his teeth in. Civil, relatable and not even condescending.

Good on you mate. I'm savouring the moment.
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FTFY

Frankly, you come across as a bit of a thug. Certainly not civil.

 

[cambookpro]

Hello, I have some questions that I hope someone can help me with. Just a quick break down I am coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro 15 and need a new laptop now. I do not need a real powerful laptop and that has caused my confusion.

1) better overall option 2016 MacBook or 2015 MacBook Pro 13 for me?

2) how big of a user experience upgrade will either be coming from a 2011?

3) how are the speakers on both devices? (I watch tons of movies and stream music)

4) if you were me would you just continue to use your iPhone and wait instead? Lol

Sorry in advance if these posts are considered annoying to you folks.

My friend just went from a 2011 15" MBP to a 2016 rMB. He uses it for FCPX, Motion, Photoshop etc. as well as the usual Pages, Safari, Spotify etc.

The faster SSD makes most day-to-day tasks feel faster. It's a little slower when rendering in FCPX or playing back a Motion file with more than ten or so layers, but overall he doesn't notice a massive difference in speed.

I've used it for a bit and it's really quite an amazing machine. The speakers actually sound a lot better than my 15" rMBP, and are certainly better than the 13" rMBP - compared side by side, the rMB's have a bit more bass and are louder.

I'd be quite happy to go from my 15" MBP to a rMB if only it had Thunderbolt 3. Alas, I think I'll be waiting until October.

 

[knassar]

Frankly, you come across as a bit of a thug. Certainly not civil.

I would never actually physically hurt you <3 But sometimes, your comments strike me as particularly callous and arrogant. I'm sure the real-life you is more sympathetic than your online persona.

 

[Meldalinn]

Here we have 6 of the latest Apple iPhones.
Can you tell the different models?

iphone 6 - 6splus - SE - 6plus - 6s - 5s
ez

 

[joscejrod]

In summary...
Between September-October Apple is going to release:
-New macbook pro.
-New macbook with bigger screen.
-New mac mini.
-New Mac Pro.
-New Imac (maybe only 21,5" version to skylake).
-New 5k display.
-New accesories.
-New ipads (ipad pro 12,9" and ipad mini).
-New iphones.
-New Apple Watch 2.
-New apple tv with 4k (maybe).

So, Apple is going to change its entire product line in two months??? It doens't have any sense. If you stagger the product launches during the year, the people can focus in a few products each time, and they're going to buy more things. But, if you release all things together, the people will be confuse, and won't spend a big amount of money to buy so many things at the same time...

 

[crankmeup]

In summary...
(...) people (...) won't spend a big amount of money to buy so many things at the same time...

Exactly, It doesn't make any sense. I can't imagine this happening. Most of people would need to decide whether they want to buy a new macbook pro, mac mini, iphone or mac pro. That, for Apple, would be a waste of potential market. It's obviously better for a producer to have a steady money flow instead of one potentially big one, but yet smaller compared to other one. This is different strategy.

Because of that I have a slight hope left for a surprise over WWDC. And I know that I don't matter and even if there is 1000 people like me, but if there is no update in upcoming circa 2 weeks, I'll be disappointed and it will put me in a hard place, because it's a time for me to get a new machine.

 

[Schranke]

to play games frequently in your free time means sadness, loneliness in real life.

Are you making that assumption for the 35-40 year old you talk about or are you doing it in general?
Either way you do not seams to grasp why some people play games.
I know a lot of persons in different ages who play games frequently. Most of the times they play with friends they are not able to meet with on a regular basics other times they play with new friends they made in the game.
The idea of some one who play games being, sad and lonely in real life is, in my opinion, a leftover from a computer illiterate generation who does not understand what can be accomplished with the Internet.

 

[x-evil-x]

In summary...
Between September-October Apple is going to release:
-New macbook pro.
-New macbook with bigger screen.
-New mac mini.
-New Mac Pro.
-New Imac (maybe only 21,5" version to skylake).
-New 5k display.
-New accesories.
-New ipads (ipad pro 12,9" and ipad mini).
-New iphones.
-New Apple Watch 2.
-New apple tv with 4k (maybe).

So, Apple is going to change its entire product line in two months??? It doens't have any sense. If you stagger the product launches during the year, the people can focus in a few products each time, and they're going to buy more things. But, if you release all things together, the people will be confuse, and won't spend a big amount of money to buy so many things at the same time...

Definitely seems like a long shot. They have never launched so many new things so close together. macbook pro/iphone/apple watch/ipad is already too much for what they are used to

 

[lympero]

My wife decided to just buy the 2.5 ghz 2015 MacBook Pro. I can say (we both have the 2011 models with Ssd and 8gb ram) it's really fast and definitely a huge improvement over 2011 model.
Im still waiting for the new model but one small part of my mind wants to buy the 2015 model now

 

[speelurker]

For those of you worried about the loss of MagSafe, seems like cables like this will be a suitable option:

https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable

 

[cmChimera]

In summary...
Between September-October Apple is going to release:
-New macbook pro.
-New macbook with bigger screen.
-New mac mini.
-New Mac Pro.
-New Imac (maybe only 21,5" version to skylake).
-New 5k display.
-New accesories.
-New ipads (ipad pro 12,9" and ipad mini).
-New iphones.
-New Apple Watch 2.
-New apple tv with 4k (maybe).

So, Apple is going to change its entire product line in two months??? It doens't have any sense. If you stagger the product launches during the year, the people can focus in a few products each time, and they're going to buy more things. But, if you release all things together, the people will be confuse, and won't spend a big amount of money to buy so many things at the same time...

-New macbook pro. Yes
-New macbook with bigger screen. Maybe?
-New mac mini. Have doubts
-New Mac Pro. Maybe
-New Imac (maybe only 21,5" version to skylake). I'm thinking slight redesign is coming for this after Macbook Pro.
-New 5k display. Hopefully
-New accesories. Probably
-New ipads (ipad pro 12,9" and ipad mini). Probably
-New iphones. Definitely
-New Apple Watch 2. Definitely
-New apple tv with 4k (maybe). Please.

 

[croco_dile]

My wife decided to just buy the 2.5 ghz 2015 MacBook Pro. I can say (we both have the 2011 models with Ssd and 8gb ram) it's really fast and definitely a huge improvement over 2011 model.
Im still waiting for the new model but one small part of my mind wants to buy the 2015 model now

Kinda of sad that loyal customers have to buy products so out of date and clearly marked as 'Don't buy'!

I have watched a couple of key notes from the days of Steve Jobs, and its such a contract to the one we witnessed in March. Its time like this I really miss Steve Jobs!

 

[whiteRAD]

I am so curious to see in which direction apple is trying to go with the Macbook Pro.
Considering the rumors:

• Touchbar
• 4x USB-C
• smaller build device

It seems to me that this are features for more casual users. Would be a nice upgrade for the 13" model. However, Pro Users need some steam in that machine:

• Skylake
• hopefully 4K screen if thats doable without losing too much batterylife
• hopefully AMD Polaris instead of nvidia 960m (as that would make no diff. to other laptops on the market)
• more RAM and SSD

Also I am hoping that the MBP won't lose it's Magsafe in favor of the USB-C. Magsafe is just so ****ing handy I don't want to miss it.

 

[TheGreatNike]

Kinda of sad that loyal customers have to buy products so out of date and clearly marked as 'Don't buy'!

I have watched a couple of key notes from the days of Steve Jobs, and its such a contract to the one we witnessed in March. Its time like this I really miss Steve Jobs!

Yes, sometimes you find yourself in a situation where you need a laptop and your options are limited. Apple isn't doing people like that any favors. I'm one of them so I know. Buying now in my opinion is a compromise, it's just bad timing to need a new Apple laptop.