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PeterBocan said:
It's true that WWDC was changed into 'useless' event. To me, as a developer, I can hardly find anything positive on what happened last day.

Nothing groundbreaking was released or 'must have', just nitpicking the ******** that no one from developers care (rebranding...), all what they introduced should be left out or presented on Keynote in Sept. To me, as a dev, some 'invisible ink' and 'emojis' is not useful. Whoa, they will be releasing Swift Storyboard! Not useful at all.

The Macbook Pro issue: I think, they will be merging Macbook Air and Macbook Pro into one lineup and leaving 'The Macbook' for those stupid people who will buy it. Macbook Air had a really good price/performance ratio, so why don't they just screw us all again? So 'The Macbook' will be the new 'Macbook Air with Retina' with terrible performance and ridiculous price (Paying 'extra' money for compromise) thus leaving Macbook Air as discontinued product (or we will see one or two more update to MBA lineup but the end is coming). Therefore we will see a thinner Macbook Pro with Skylake, only 4 USB-C ports. so if you need a performance you will have to buy Macbook Pro, if you don't, you will be buying 'The Macbook'.

I wonder if they still will be using 'Pro' and 'Air' in September, because it's no more a difference to them. We may see 'The Macbook' 12" and 13" and 15".

I also expect the update on Mac Pro lineup, since it's using 4-5 yr. old components, due to release of new GPUs from AMD and also Intel CPUs. But if it won't happen, I won't take Apple seriously anymore.

Basically Apple changed their way and is heading for the 'exclusivity' branding (for those stupid and rich guys) and if you are a die hard fan boy, you will pay with your blood to obtain a new Mac. Apple was a cutting-edge technology company, nowadays it's a branding company, like Gucci, that will sell anything old for thousands of dollars and they will be treating you like you are buying a premium product.

After the launch of 'The Macbook' I was like this should never exist in Jobs era so I'm convinced they are pushing the entrepreneurs and power users out, leaving the 'The Macbook' for those who can afford it.

I will be thinking in a year or two to switching to Razer or Dell XPS with linux inside and I won't give a damn anymore.
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Are you kidding? I think Jobs would have loved the MacBook because it basically checked all of his boxes when it came to computers.

Extremely thin? Check!
Extremely light? Check!
Fantastic design? Check!
Fanless? Check!
Jettisons older tech? Check!

Steve Jobs was the anal perfectionist who refused all attempts to put fans into the original Macintosh, which caused tons of performance issues that resulted in many, many premature component failures do to heat as a result of his decision. Then 14 years later he did the same thing with the G4 Cube. I am convinced that if Jobs was still alive and his era at Apple continued, we would still have the current MacBook regardless. Additionally, he was all about computing "for the rest of us", and didn't seem to have any desire in catering to pro users anymore than he had to to keep Apple healthy. So, who knows what would have happened? But I'm not convinced it would be much different now.
 
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Brad9893 said:
Are you kidding? I think Jobs would have loved the MacBook because it basically checked all of his boxes when it came to computers.

Extremely thin? Check!
Extremely light? Check!
Fantastic design? Check!
Fanless? Check!
Jettisons older tech? Check!

Steve Jobs was the anal perfectionist who refused all attempts to put fans into the original Macintosh, which caused tons of performance issues that resulted in many, many premature component failures do to heat as a result of his decision. Then 14 years later he did the same thing with the G4 Cube. I am convinced that if Jobs was still alive and his era at Apple continued, we would still have the current MacBook regardless. Additionally, he was all about computing "for the rest of us", and didn't seem to have any desire in catering to pro users anymore than he had to to keep Apple healthy. So, who knows what would have happened? But I'm not convinced it would be much different now.
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I agree with you. Although I think if Jobs was around he would be more hands off the Mac and more on to other technologies. However, 10 year old processors in the MBP lineup? Yes, someone would have been fired.
 
ssong said:
I actually beg to differ. Imo you justified why apple would care less about macs.

Despite the general pc market gradually decreasing and pic sales falling, Mac sales have made small gains and that's despite the fact they're selling outdated hardware, most consumers in apples target segment wouldn't care about what's inside as long as it works and flashy updates to the OS and back to school promotion would be enough to keep that trend going.

However, with Apple Watch intended to be the part of the future, it would be worrisome for Apple to see sales drop, therefore they are further integrating it to the ecosystem to make it seem essential and finally releasing OS updates that should have been there from the start. I expect watch 2 to have a massive marketing push.

So yeah, Apple doesn't need to care about macs to sell em, while they will care about the watch to sell more.
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Since when is Tim an entrepreneur?
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you are right he is not an entrepreneur. He is simply trying to ghost Steve Jobs and doing a poor job of it. Jobs was a a total ass in his personal life but did a great job with Apple. Cook is a faded surrogate who has impressed me from the start "NOT"!
 
All,

I know I shouldn't be asking this question in this thread but TFB, I'll do it anyway :) Have to renew my Intego Mac Security package - wondering if it's really worth it. I want "some" external security package - especially since I'm buying my daughter a mac for college and she isnt the type to follow up on security issues - she just uses it. I've been reading recently to just run MBAM. Opinions?
 
To call WWDC a "developer event" is farcical

They barely said anything about Siri API

and MULTIPLE segments about Emojis
 
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I must be in the minority here. But I don't know anyone who uses Whatsapp as their main app for text/messaging. Everyone I know uses Apple's message, or if an Android, regular SMS. I myself use it because it works on all my Apple devices and syncs perfectly. Only recently did Whatsapp add options for using it from a web browser and have a dedicated app for the Mac.

Whatsapp doesn't yet support GIF's. At least, not in my experience. And I like to use GIF's to make people laugh from time to time.

I only use Whatsapp with my international friends or when I'm traveling abroad and not connected to WiFi.
 
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Brad9893 said:
Are you kidding? I think Jobs would have loved the MacBook because it basically checked all of his boxes when it came to computers.

Extremely thin? Check!
Extremely light? Check!
Fantastic design? Check!
Fanless? Check!
Jettisons older tech? Check!

Steve Jobs was the anal perfectionist who refused all attempts to put fans into the original Macintosh, which caused tons of performance issues that resulted in many, many premature component failures do to heat as a result of his decision. Then 14 years later he did the same thing with the G4 Cube. I am convinced that if Jobs was still alive and his era at Apple continued, we would still have the current MacBook regardless. Additionally, he was all about computing "for the rest of us", and didn't seem to have any desire in catering to pro users anymore than he had to to keep Apple healthy. So, who knows what would have happened? But I'm not convinced it would be much different now.
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Yes, he would, he could, he was a visionary. But now you are just on the verge of extremely thin and also extremely useless products. Thermal throttling of Intel Core M, cutting processor performance in half. Intel already killed this processor lineup, because these processors were not successful from Intel's standpoint (which seems quite reasonable, because Intel's pricing had no sense at all) thus Intel won't make them any more.

Now I'm wondering what processors will substitute killed Core M, unless they will push A9X (or higher) back onto computers which we did not see since 200x and thus 'The Macbook' would be something like the iPad Pro with undetachable keyboard and without touchscreen ... can you spot the problem?

And if you can not spot the similarities with the iPad (for example one USB-C on the Macbook and one lightning connector on the iPad) this product has no room to exist.

The points you mentioned are okay, but when it meets a practical use in the world, you can't sell the Macbook for that price tag to someone who has at least a bit of common sense. People would be a much better with iPad Pro and Smart Cover. Thus I say it's a ********.

EDIT: And I'm pretty fine with the dimensions and weight of my rMBP 2013. The MBA is even thinner and lighter and that's the sweetspot for the notebooks these days. Everything below that is basically cutting down on performance or other specs of the notebooks, like battery.
 
Vince89 said:
You know what a keynote is? What the word keynote means? Tell me you know that. Please.
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Aye, I do. That's why i'm not sitting here, complaining that they didn't get into the nitty gritty of Siri API.

And btw, if you were really interested in the more detailed info, you should at least have stuck around for the state of the union address. They geek out more there :)
 
j1104638 said:
1. Linux community creates one like every 1-2 years. And it's works across many more devices.
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Except on anything mainstream.

j1104638 said:
2. Apple promised to create file system for like 10 years if I recall right. So the problem is the same as with Macs - too late to be something good, just mediocre at this time.
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Source? I've never heard them promise a new file system, but could be wrong.

j1104638 said:
3. What is the use for such a filesystem if you don't have access to it on most devices? API compatibility layer is the only thing which is really necessary.
4. It lacks crucial features like Time Machine. So it's like 2-3 more years until it becomes full-fledged product.
5. Considering p. 3 users will not directly benefit from the new file system. Rather they will benefit from the features Apple will be allowed to build on top of it (being the only entity to access it low-level enough). So it's some more time waiting.
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It's new, and undeveloped. They'll develop it so it can eventually replace HFS+. That doesn't happen overnight.

j1104638 said:
Oh stop this ********. JFYI I am an early adopter of btrfs and ZFS on Linux. I love playing with new file systems as much as the next guy. But still my points about APFS are valid.

Attack the points, not personality.
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To be clear, I'm attacking the mentality rather than the personality. You seem like a nice enough person. But really, the bitterness here is striking. You have people saying Apple doesn't innovate, while at the same time bemoaning the fact that Apple didn't just slap Skylake in the current Macbook Pro and call it a day.
 
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kingjames1970 said:
Can't lurk forever and need to get the page count up so somebody can tweet the link to Tim!

Been a Mac user since 1989 (gulp). The other day I used find my iPhone and there were eight devices - not including my two Apple TVs. Currently do most my work on a 27" 2013 i7 iMac/2013 i7 MacBook Air/12.9 iPad Pro. So I'm not somebody complaining for the sake of it - I'm a dedicated Apple customer.

Looking to get a sparkly new MBP 15 as I can't stand how bad the MBA's screen is anymore (especially when jumping to it from my iPad Pro) and I want to work more remotely. I am also thinking of a retina iMac.

I have the money and I want to spend it. But, for about the first time since 89, there is no new Mac that excites me. I'm used to paying top whack for Apple kit but not for stuff that's so old. (And let's be honest, there is something narcissistic about use Mac users that want to use the latest and greatest.) From the sounds of it, I'm not the only one and I'm deeply disappointed that Apple has let their hardware get so out-of-date. I've never once complained about Apple before and always been a bit of a fan boy. But if somebody asked me what Mac to get now (as they do a lot), I genuinely couldn't recommend one. That is a pretty bad state of affairs. I'm genuinely worried, almost as bad as the bleak days before Steve came back. (I was starting to assess how I could move to Windows but luckily I was saved from that nightmare scenario!)

Apple really does need to show the pros some love, it's still a sizeable chunk of their business that most companies would kill for, and as iPhone sales stutter, they need to remember that there's a whole professional world out there relying on top-class tools, not emojis.

Very disappointed at WWDC and have money to burn.
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Apple seems to forget that pros, techies, and enthusiast Mac users are the ones that recommend Apple products. I pretty much turned my whole family Apple, and they were shocked when I went for a Surface Pro 4. Now everyone in my family wants one. If Apple keeps it up, its going to bite them in the ass eventually.


fatboyhouston said:
Imagine the rage if September doesn't bring new rMBPs. How long can this go on? Another year? Two years? Who will be left?
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It's already ridiculous; 2 keynotes this year already with no Mac keynote time with most of the Mac line still out of date. Really, the macOS Sierra felt like it was only there because a new OS X is part of the routine. I'm sure if they could, they would've used the macOS time on more emojis and cringy Apple Music presentations. Then you have the people on here who will wait on Apple forever over fear of using Windows, which is the exact mentality that keeps Macs from being regularly updated.
 
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knassar said:
You know that there's a whole week of sessions around all of the topics discussed yesterday right? tell me you know that. please.
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Yes, if the whole week is all about invisible ink and emojis and how to use them in apps then devs should redeem their visit.

What crucial points did Apple unveil on the opening event? Huh? They should mention APFS, mention some cool features that will be in the future in iOS/OS X from devs point of view. Redesigns of the apps, I mean, this is not worth a 5-10 minutes segment on a Developer's conference! They did open frameworks to devs, that's okay. But they mentioned in one sentence?! I mean, WTF Apple?
 
PeterBocan said:
Yes, he would, he could, he was a visionary. But now you are just on the verge of extremely thin and also extremely useless products. Thermal throttling of Intel Core M, cutting processor performance in half. Intel already killed this processor lineup, because these processors were not successful from Intel's standpoint (which seems quite reasonable, because Intel's pricing had no sense at all) thus Intel won't make them any more.

Now I'm wondering what processors will substitute killed Core M, unless they will push A9X (or higher) back onto computers which we did not see since 200x and thus 'The Macbook' would be something like the iPad Pro with undetachable keyboard and without touchscreen ... can you spot the problem?

And if you can not spot the similarities with the iPad (for example one USB-C on the Macbook and one lightning connector on the iPad) this product has no room to exist.

The points you mentioned are okay, but when it meets a practical use in the world, you can't sell the Macbook for that price tag to someone who has at least a bit of common sense. People would be a much better with iPad Pro and Smart Cover. Thus I say it's a ********.

EDIT: And I'm pretty fine with the dimensions and weight of my rMBP 2013. The MBA is even thinner and lighter and that's the sweetspot for the notebooks these days. Everything below that is basically cutting down on performance or other specs of the notebooks, like battery.
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What are you talking about? Intel hasn't killed Core M at all, and they are still planning to release further variants of the processor line. I believe they have already announced a Kaby Lake version that will eventually be out, which Apple will use the next time that they refresh the MacBook.

The only processors that Intel has killed off recently was the low-power Atom chips, which were horrible and never used by Apple.
 
Brad9893 said:
Are you kidding? I think Jobs would have loved the MacBook because it basically checked all of his boxes when it came to computers.

Extremely thin? Check!
Extremely light? Check!
Fantastic design? Check!
Fanless? Check!
Jettisons older tech? Check!

Steve Jobs was the anal perfectionist who refused all attempts to put fans into the original Macintosh, which caused tons of performance issues that resulted in many, many premature component failures do to heat as a result of his decision. Then 14 years later he did the same thing with the G4 Cube. I am convinced that if Jobs was still alive and his era at Apple continued, we would still have the current MacBook regardless. Additionally, he was all about computing "for the rest of us", and didn't seem to have any desire in catering to pro users anymore than he had to to keep Apple healthy. So, who knows what would have happened? But I'm not convinced it would be much different now.
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I was never one of the people who acted as if everything would be perfect with Apple if Jobs were still around, but reading this only makes it clear that his vision was not perfect--I wonder if he were still around, would the MBP have been dropped altogether?

PKBeam said:
If you said this to the hypothetical room of people, how many would agree with the toxic behaviour displayed by some on this thread? Not simply posts criticising Apple, but genuinely toxic behaviour?
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Ugh. The complainers about the complainers really are the worst. Who here is being "genuinely toxic"? Get over it. You're probably accusing people here of being hysterical, yet this is the most hysterical post I've seen in this thread so far. This thread is mostly intended for people who want the MBP more than anything and are going to be negative about the lack of it. You shouldn't expect anything else.

Again: stop taking this thread so seriously. Most people here who are complaining and criticizing find this thread cathartic in some way. Otherwise they wouldn't keep posting here.
 
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AgentMcGeek said:
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there were reports of the following hints in the new macOS Sierra:

- Polaris GPU drivers
- OLED API commands
- New Apple File System
- RAID Management in Disk Utility
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-True
-True
-True
-True

Polaris 11 is at this stage full support on macOS. Any hardware update will come with new system.
 
AgentMcGeek said:
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there were reports of the following hints in the new macOS Sierra:

- Polaris GPU drivers
- OLED API commands
- New Apple File System
- RAID Management in Disk Utility
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This is great news, actually, thanks. I hope that is one of the reasons for the delay. I am bitterly disappointed that there aren't new rMBPs. HOWEVER:

Appropriate quad-core Skylake processors ONLY CAME OUT A FEW WEEKS AGO, in May. That's why the Skull Canyon NUC wasn't available until May 15th or so, here's one of the first hardware reviews, dated 5/16: http://nucblog.net/2016/05/skull-canyon-nuc-review

So, if Apple is planning on updating with the touch-function-bar-thing in July or even in September, "dropping in a Skylake processor" in May would have meant an update on the shelves in June, with the full redesign shipping three months later? If I had bought a $2500 computer in June, only to have it updated in September, well...I'dbemadbro.

This wait sucks for sure. And the Razer Blade looks awesome. But the wait is probably (maybe) understandable.

(edited for clarity) (edited again 'cause I needed to thank AgentMcGeek)
 
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WRONG said:
Forgive my ignorance, but I didn't understand anything.
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I do!
What's the problem with Time Machine?
You buy an external hard disk, plug it in, open TM, format it, launch back-up, back-up done.
Fast and easy.
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Haha no apologies needed, basically APFS is meant to be a new file system that is optimised for flash drives, which means (I think, in theory, I'm not an expert in this my self) from watchOS to macOS the files can be of similar structure. I take this to mean the first step towards universal apps.

But anyways, it's meant to be the future file system standard but for the time being (I assume, since it would be silly for a future standard not to be ubiquitous) it's limited to simple drives, drives that don't hold important system files or boot drives, and it's not compatible with Time Machine either.

Whether this is only for testing purposes to make sure no problems are caused, or it's a permanent decision I don't know but in terms of H/W I think it could mean either:

The rumour about optane drives is really true and APFS is potentially a tweak to make it even more efficient.
Or
It's another step towards iOS and macOS converging into one.

And file systems are kinda like ways in which files are organised.. Like FAT32, NTFS, FAT, etc.

Again, I'm no expert and am merely a person interested in every and any latest tech, so for more detailed info please check with Google and Wiki :p
 
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