Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[nollic]

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there were reports of the following hints in the new macOS Sierra:

- Polaris GPU drivers
- OLED API commands
- New Apple File System
- RAID Management in Disk Utility

These are the kind of posts that are interesting in this thread. Not the "I'm going XPS", "Apple didn't promise to release a computer at WWDC and now I hate them because they didn't live up to a promise they didn't give" or the endless mocking of how Apple aren't innovative anymore with the oh so dull watchband-comments.

Where can we see those reports about the GPU? Interested!

 

[MindBreaker]

I must be in the minority here. But I don't know anyone who uses Whatsapp as their main app for text/messaging. Everyone I know uses Apple's message, or if an Android, regular SMS. I myself use it because it works on all my Apple devices and syncs perfectly. Only recently did Whatsapp add options for using it from a web browser and have a dedicated app for the Mac.

Whatsapp doesn't yet support GIF's. At least, not in my experience. And I like to use GIF's to make people laugh from time to time.

I only use Whatsapp with my international friends or when I'm traveling abroad and not connected to WiFi.

It really depends per country. A lot of countries in Europe, including mine, only use Whatsapp.

 

[koyoot]

These are the kind of posts that are interesting in this thread. Not the "I'm going XPS", "Apple didn't promise to release a computer at WWDC and now I hate them because they didn't live up to a promise they didn't give" or the endless mocking of how Apple aren't innovative anymore with the oh so dull watchband-comments.

Where can we see those reports about the GPU? Interested!

http://netkas.org/?p=1440

 

[ssong]

Who wrote this? a f***ing 13 year old?

It IS gizmodo.....

 

[brammahh]

I'm feeling pretty sad right now.. What am I supposed to do?

As an iOS developer, I do need some power to run apps on the simulator while running some virtual machines, Xcode and several Safari tabs. I'll be getting the 15" MacBook Pro when it comes out to have the power I need. I initially thought in March "Oh no worries, I can wait until WWDC". But now WWDC has arrived, without any new Macs, I'm ****ed.

I need a new MacBook Pro for the summer, and I know the current MBP is still a fine machine, but I don't like buying old hardware. So I thought "no problem, right? I can just go with an iMac until the new MBP comes out". But that one is basically outdated too.. So what am I supposed to do, buy a 12" MacBook?!

Apple better releases those Mac's soon, and they better be worth the waiting!

 

[macappleguy8]

It really depends per country. A lot of countries in Europe, including mine, only use Whatsapp.

Agreed. Nearly all of my international friends prefer Whatsapp, while everyone I know in the US, where I reside, uses Apple Messages (if they're using an iPhone).

 

[3JL]

- OLED API commands

Can you provide a link?

 

[Arthur75]

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there were reports of the following hints in the new macOS Sierra:

- Polaris GPU drivers
- OLED API commands
- New Apple File System
- RAID Management in Disk Utility

Where ?

 

[knassar]

It IS gizmodo.....

Ah, the good old days, when Gizmodo created readable content (2011)...

how times have changed.

 

[Dr_Charles_Forbin]

They could've just

1. Put in Skylake w/ Iris Pro 580
2. Replace TB2/mini-DP with TB3/USB-C ports
3. Stick in 30 second keynote slide
4. Sell
5. ???
6. PROFIT

Forumers would've complained that Apple is doomed by lacking innovation and dragging onto legacy hideous chunky technologies which are Magsafe, USB-A, HDMI, SD card, & 3.5 mm audio ports, but these rMBPs probably would've sold like hotcakes. Then next year, they can do whatever they want with Kaby Lake, Optane, and whatnot. Sigh..

You make it sound like it's just popping out a processor... forget redesign. Besides they a lot of inventory to get rid of. Why not milk another 6 months out of what they have -it's old but it works well. It's funny - we were all ready to jump on board with a brand new design, not waiting until they got the bugs out of it. They still can't fix the dGPU and we expected a redesign that worked perfectly from day 1? They have the rMB for all the students - most of them don't need an rMBP. I knew this was coming when they started to make components non-user upgradable - they know their audience is captive - there is no real alternative except to go back to Windows - and many of us are just sick and tired of it. Much higher profit margin on watches anyway - fitbit is the craze and Apple wants in on the take. Do you want 7% of the PC market or a way to push every iPhone holder to a iWatch? If they had any competition it would a vastly different situation - but it's not. Classic example of a mature company - shift from innovation to protecting high profits and keeping the street happy.

 

[vatter69]

So now we know when new rMBP will ship.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but there were reports of the following hints in the new macOS Sierra:

- Polaris GPU drivers
- OLED API commands
- New Apple File System
- RAID Management in Disk Utility

 

[wiredup72]

Guys, I want to be real clear when I say that:

Apple created an entirely new file system that works for every device they make.

This is in addition to the new Programming language they made. But sure, Apple is just spiraling down in complacency.

First, I didn't say spiraling down, and I didn't imply that Apple was spiraling down.

I am talking about their desktop level OS and its downward trajectory in performance. Anyone over 40 who has been using and supporting Macs in the workplace since the 1980's, like myself, can easily and clearly tell you how Apple was known for not authorizing a machine for an OS update unless it made that machine FASTER.
No more. Fin. hasn't been true since Lion and iOS updates have been a joke.

Am I going to get excited for a new file system? What propelled Apple post NeXT was Job's brilliant move in adopting BSD completely, and having his team build the best XWin environment for UNIX ever. Period. And iOS is still based of the core BSD code that launched OS X.

The more closed they have become with their code, especially iOS, the worse they have gotten at optimization. Fact. Not debatable.

 

[cmChimera]

First, I didn't say spiraling down

I am talking about their desktop level OS and its downward trajectory

Ok. You've convinced me.

 

[koyoot]

First, I didn't say spiraling down, and I didn't imply that Apple was spiraling down.

I am talking about their desktop level OS and its downward trajectory in performance. Anyone over 40 who has been using and supporting Macs in the workplace since the 1980's, like myself, can easily and clearly tell you how Apple was known for not authorizing a machine for an OS update unless it made that machine FASTER.
No more. Fin. hasn't been true since Lion and iOS updates have been a joke.

Am I going to get excited for a new file system? What propelled Apple post NeXT was Job's brilliant move in adopting BSD completely, and having his team build the best XWin environment for UNIX ever. Period. And iOS is still based of the core BSD code that launched OS X.

The more closed they have become with their code, especially iOS, the worse they have gotten at optimization. Fact. Not debatable.

Have you checked the Metal features? It has HLSL and Shader Model 6.0 compatibility currently. So it will be extremely close competitor to DX12.

 

[zooby]

Never checked back? You wanted me to personally reply to you? Please man, why think you're so special. Anywho I never left the thread and posted this just a few days ago, again you stalk my initial post and gloss over my later ones:


So since you didn't get the hint the first time, please troll someone else bro, it aint cute.

You're the one who said "I'll see you in March" (your words ) Funny, you say I am the one who thinks I am special yet you say I "stalk" you. And now I am a troll, too. I'd be mad too if I was SOOOO sure the new Macs were coming out every month and was proven wrong every time.

I'd be bitter too if I was waiting for a MBP update every Apple conference and swore up and down it'd happen every time.

 

[cmChimera]

You're the one who said "I'll see you in March" (your words ) Funny, you say I am the one who thinks I am special yet you say I "stalk" you. And now I am a troll, too. I'd be mad too if I was SOOOO sure the new Macs were coming out every month and was proven wrong every time.

I'd be bitter too if I was waiting for a MBP update every Apple conference and swore up and down it'd happen every time.

Why are you being annoying?

 

[bfid111]

So now we know when new rMBP will ship.

macOS Sierra will be released in Fall??

So, it will be sep,oct,nov,or dec

F*** me

 

[ThisBougieLife]

^
I guess I'm still thinking it's going to be released at the iPhone event, even if that means there will be a bunch of devices released then. If it's a re-design, it's going to have an "event", so might as well make it part of the iPhone one, rather than have a separate event.

 

[AgentMcGeek]

These are the kind of posts that are interesting in this thread. Not the "I'm going XPS", "Apple didn't promise to release a computer at WWDC and now I hate them because they didn't live up to a promise they didn't give" or the endless mocking of how Apple aren't innovative anymore with the oh so dull watchband-comments.

Where can we see those reports about the GPU? Interested!

Can you provide a link?

Where ?

Thanks everyone. I don't post very often, but try to remain relevant when I do. Here are the various sources, most in French (sorry!):

- http://netkas.org/?p=1440 & http://www.macg.co/mac/2016/06/macos-sierra-contient-des-pilotes-pour-des-gpu-amd-polaris-94545

- http://www.macg.co/os-x/2016/06/macos-sierra-donne-des-indices-sur-les-macbook-pro-ruban-led-94544

- http://www.macg.co/os-x/2016/06/macos-sierra-retour-du-raid-dans-lutilitaire-de-disque-94546

 

[Brad9893]

I was never one of the people who acted as if everything would be perfect with Apple if Jobs were still around, but reading this only makes it clear that his vision was not perfect--I wonder if he were still around, would the MBP have been dropped altogether?



Ugh. The complainers about the complainers really are the worst. Who here is being "genuinely toxic"? Get over it. You're probably accusing people here of being hysterical, yet this is the most hysterical post I've seen in this thread so far. This thread is mostly intended for people who want the MBP more than anything and are going to be negative about the lack of it. You shouldn't expect anything else.

Again: stop taking this thread so seriously. Most people here who are complaining and criticizing find this thread cathartic in some way. Otherwise they wouldn't keep posting here.

No, I doubt that Jobs would have ever have dropped the MBP. Back in 2010/2011 he said that no matter how many people shifted their computing needs to mobile devices that there would still always be a need for "trucks". I do think that under his care the Mac would be in a slightly better state than it currently is, however. Under Jobs, that circa 2012 cMBP that is still selling would have been axed in 2013 at the latest. We would probably have SSD's shipping default in the iMac's with Apple only using HDD's in the Time Capsule. He probably would have done something about the horrible TN panel in the MBA years ago, too, even if it was just upgrading to a non-retina IPS display.

Now as early as 2003 or so, he made comments about how notebooks were finally overtaking desktops, and how it was his goal to transition everyone over to one. Even that early, he could see the coming irrelevance of the desktop for most people. So, if he had lived, I would expect that he would have completely focused on making the best notebooks he could, with the desktop line playing second fiddle. I also believe that with our coming Thunderbolt 3 future, he would have tried to convince even more desktop users to completely convert over with a MB/MBP + a 5k Thunderbolt 3 display. He'd had gone on stage and talked about how Apple had decided to marry the portability of a MacBook with the desktop experience of the iMac, and how you can be at a desk when you need to be without sacrificing portability when you need that. Then he would have talked about the marvels of doing it all over one cable and how it's minimal and reduces horrible cable clutter. And we would have all eaten it up, because it was Steve Jobs and he could convince everyone to buy a crushed up old tin can.

So, basically what I'm saying is that I don't think things would have changed very much to be honest, though things would have been more polished. However, the Mac still would have played second fiddle to iOS devices as he would have seen that as old, legacy tech. I don't think Tim Cook and the execs have gone off of the Jobs vision at all, actually. I think they are still following it pretty well mostly.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

Yeah, if that keynote showed one thing, it was that Mac is "second" (more like 4th) to iOS (not that we didn't already know that). It makes sense for Apple to place more emphasis on mobile tech, considering that's the future, and laptops and desktops are not. The iPad Pro shows the extent to which they tried to create a laptop/tablet hybrid (albeit without the desktop OS). I wonder if Jobs would've wanted that--he certainly seemed to be virulently opposed to a stylus for the iPad at one point. But that at least showed an attempt at maybe "weaning" some users off the laptops.

Though with talk of the MBA being retired, it's interesting to me that people are now implying there will be two laptop models (MBP and MB) and three desktop models (Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iMac)? Why have more models of the least relevant computer form? That's why I still partially expect the Mac Mini and/or Mac Pro to be dropped soon.

 

[WRONG]

Intel Optane SSD roadmap leaked. Looks like the first products will be released by the end of Q4 this year.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...p-for-optane-ssds-with-1000x-performance.html

Looks like this new is going unnoticed, but it's really interesting.
For those expert: any chance we could see Optane in the next MBP?
How could we find hints of it in the MacOS release?
If the next MBP will sport Polaris, TB3, Skylake HQ, terraced batteries, a better display and Octane technology...
well, that's going to be really a monster!
Please Apple, make it happen.

 

[whiteonline]

Yeah, if that keynote showed one thing, it was that Mac is "second" (more like 4th) to iOS (not that we didn't already know that). It makes sense for Apple to place more emphasis on mobile tech, considering that's the future, and laptops and desktops are not. The iPad Pro shows the extent to which they tried to create a laptop/tablet hybrid (albeit without the desktop OS). I wonder if Jobs would've wanted that--he certainly seemed to be virulently opposed to a stylus for the iPad at one point. But that at least showed an attempt at maybe "weaning" some users off the laptops.

Though with talk of the MBA being retired, it's interesting to me that people are now implying there will be two laptop models (MBP and MB) and three desktop models (Mac Pro, Mac Mini, iMac)? Why have more models of the least relevant computer form? That's why I still partially expect the Mac Mini and/or Mac Pro to be dropped soon.

Swift playground on iOS is the first step of the Mac deprecation IMO...

 

[killawat]

You're the one who said "I'll see you in March" (your words ) Funny, you say I am the one who thinks I am special yet you say I "stalk" you. And now I am a troll, too. I'd be mad too if I was SOOOO sure the new Macs were coming out every month and was proven wrong every time.

I'd be bitter too if I was waiting for a MBP update every Apple conference and swore up and down it'd happen every time.

Lol, no one is bitter, I don't mind hanging out.

But go harass some of the folks who said we'd have a MacBook in June, I was not one of them. I said March, was wrong, and bowed out.

Oh wait, you won't, coz ur obsessed. Get some help man.

 

[kristoffer4]

We need to start a campaing to get the word out that the expensive Macbook Pros are more than a year old. Maybe go around to random Apple stores and tell the customers about the old hardware? #oldhardware on Twitter?