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It's not the same argument, as we're talking about two different I/Os that are not similarly situated in the marketplace. You're making a straw man argument.

Technology moves forward, the sooner you come to terms with it, the better you'll be. Literally the same arguments were made just FOUR years ago (that the ports are still relevant). BTW, Ethernet is an older I/O port then USB-A. It was replaced with wireless (and a dongle for those that can't let go).

Four years from now when something else changes it'll be: old_port is an older I/O port then not_as_old_port. It was replaced with new_port (and a dongle for those that can't let go).

I'm not arguing wether it'll impact people or not, but the point is that people deal with dongles until all their peripherals adjust. Ideally, those that can't adjust easily stick with last years model (hence why the cMBP was available or so long). Then they have a few years on the 2015 model to update all their components.
 
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Apple had better do something soon. And I don't think they can rely on Intel. The whole industry is in denial, but Intel has hit the wall. No improvement in CPU speeds. Every generation is behind schedule. Skylake isn't living up to even the modest promises. Nothing supports Thunderbolt 3, Intel's own standard, but basically because the processors aren't up to the promises Thunderbolt 3 comes with. Nobody wants to say it because there is no alternative…

I visited an Apple Store today (mall store), half the shop including the Genius Bar was repairs. NOBODY looking at ANY Macs, Watches or iPhones, and just 2 adults and 2 children playing with Pencils on iPad Pros. This is unheard of for this Apple Store. It's as busy as any of them. Admittedly this is Australia, where iPhones are $1500 and the MacBook went up $400 in the 6 months after I bought it. Add high prices outside the US, from where the majority of Apple's sales come, to a worldwide downturn in all consumer electronics and you can see why demand is low.​

The noises out of the US don't sound much different, except lower prices seem to cushioning the fall at bit more.

And the Apple echo chamber is all about - well, no new design this year for iPhone, BECAUSE next year is the tenth anniversary, etc.

Whatever happened to Tim Cook's 'we'll innovate our way out of the downturn'? Apple needs a new iPhone design THIS year AND a brilliant NEWER design next year for the tenth anniversary. THAT is how you get customers interested in your product in a downturn - really cool new stuff, and to sweeten the deal, how about prices go down to reward loyal customers! Sacrifice average profit to make it up in volume! Most especially if you can't deliver increased performance!!

Nobody's THAT excited about Sky-late MacBook Pro, because if recent years are any guide, there won't be any improvement in performance and the prospect of them being able to drive an Apple Retina external monitor (so far overdue, it's an industry joke) just went up in smoke.

And forget about a Mac Pro. In a non-upgradeable product, Apple needs to be upgrading processors and most particularly GPUs at LEAST yearly if they want anyone to wake out of their stupor over Mac Pro.

Yes Intel's on the rocks.
No ARM won't replace a mobile much less desktop processor.
Apple saw how iPad sales fell when they didn't upgrade the iPad Air 2, and yet they refuse to double-down on innovation, not only in notebooks and desktops, but iPhone, the goose with the golden egg!!

Apple is in a pit of its own making and customers locked-in to the ecosystem (don't anybody mention Apple Music, please) are feeling like they're being taken for a ride!

Hey look, shiny new notebook, slower than last year… but emoji are triple the size…

Any wonder that even among developers, that was more popular than Clipboard Continuity, or we're-going-to-do-to-your-documents-what-we've-done-for-Music-and-Photos, delete them from your hard drive and hide them in the cloud for you, good-luck-with-getting-them-back-when-you-need-them.​

The pit gets deeper, the future gets darker and Siri's smartarse attitude as it falls on its face over the simplest of tasks is the audible sound of the world's largest company falling completely out of touch.

An underperforming Skylake MBP in October after the most exciting thing about this year's iPhone in September will be a darker shade of (brown?) for 'space grey' - will really cap a disastrous year for Apple-lock-ins!!

Don't know about all that. I still enjoy using my 2012 rMBP, iPad Air, iPhone 6S, and Apple Watch cohesively together. Makes managing my personal/work life balance easier. Only thing is it's time to replace my aging laptop. I'd of replaced my iPad as well, but that price bump pushed me off till the next release.
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:eek: at 760 pages!

Is this a MR record?

Eh, thought we'd be at 800 at the start of July. Now I'm having some doubts about hitting 1k before the launch.
 
Very likely, especially for the 13".
Now that Thunderbolt uses the type-C port, Apple have no reason to include another except for backwards compatibility. HDMI was always going to go in a future redesign and the charging port can now use the connector although i would like to see Apple develop a MagSafe 3 port. If Apple were to include other type-A ports as other manufactures have done it wouldn't push the industry to adopt type-C. Although we are only talking ports, the SD Card slot also looks like it may go but I think Apple will keep it on the 15" model, but I don't see any other port exclusives for the 15".
 
Apple had better do something soon. And I don't think they can rely on Intel. The whole industry is in denial, but Intel has hit the wall.

Ugg...this is an example of why I stopped reading most of Mac Rumors.

Do you really think Intel has 'hit a wall'? Seriously, can you give me some examples? Could you compare and contrast Intel with some of the other leading semiconductor companies in the industry? AMD? Samsung? TI? Hynix?

Perhaps you could enlighten us on how they have hit a wall? Maybe you are suggesting that since Skylake is not twice as fast as Broadwell or Sandybridge that somehow they have failed in their pursuit of a better processor.

I think it is more likely you have no idea how modern day processors work nor do you understand the semiconductor business.

First, Intel is one of the most technologically advanced semiconductor manufactures on the planet. I would argue that they have done a brilliant job of pushing the semiconductor business forward in ways they don't get a lot of credit for in public.

A modern day processor is not just about raw power (3 Ghz or 4 Ghz), it is about performance per watt, efficiency per clock cycle (think branch prediction, deep pipe out of order instructions, etc.) and the ability to reduce the physical size of the die to improve power consumption. Do you really comprehend how small 14nm is??

While I am not an Intel fanboy, I appreciate the science and R&D they have put into their business. They are not always perfect and I think they deal in anti-competitive behavior at times.

The reason you are not seeing better gains with Skylake is simple economics. They don't have to. Who is their real competitor here? AMD? ARM? Please... Intel doesn't have to do better because they are no fighting off stiff competition. This isn't the 90s when AMD was a real threat and beat them to the GHz threshold.

When people say "Hey, why doesn't Apple replace Intel with ARM processors in their computer line" it is because they don't understand how modern day processors work. ARM processors are great for things like phones are iPads but would not be suitable for performance notebooks or even desktop computers. (Note: I'm talking about somebody doing tasks other than watching YouTube or viewing a Facebook page).

Personally, I miss the days when AMD was a real competitor to Intel and prices were cheap and performance gains per year were exciting.

Hit the wall, indeed.

-P
 
I'm not arguing wether it'll impact people or not, but the point is that people deal with dongles until all their peripherals adjust.
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This will be never. It's not just a user's peripherals, it's the peripherals in the real world, especially in schools/businesses where IT departments take their sweet time upgrading. By the time they do, Apple will have moved to something else.
 
Technology moves forward, the sooner you come to terms with it, the better you'll be. Literally the same arguments were made just FOUR years ago (that the ports are still relevant). BTW, Ethernet is an older I/O port then USB-A. It was replaced with wireless (and a dongle for those that can't let go).

Four years from now when something else changes it'll be: old_port is an older I/O port then not_as_old_port. It was replaced with new_port (and a dongle for those that can't let go).

I'm not arguing wether it'll impact people or not, but the point is that people deal with dongles until all their peripherals adjust. Ideally, those that can't adjust easily stick with last years model (hence why the cMBP was available or so long). Then they have a few years on the 2015 model to update all their components.

I think you're missing the point of my statement entirely. I'm really not even sure what you're trying to tell me.

EDIT: Are you thinking that I'm arguing against Apple going all USB-C? Or against having Thunderbolt 3? I'm honestly confused.
 
I know this is going to sound stupid but here goes...

I want to install Windows 10 (I know) on my mbp once it eventually comes out but I'm actually worried about compatibility issues with the rumoured OLED function bar.

What do you guys think?
 
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I know this is going to sound stupid but here goes...

I want to install Windows 10 (I know) on my mbp once it eventually comes out but I'm actually worried about compatibility issues with the rumoured OLED function bar.

What do you guys think?
I think/hope Apple will deliver drivers for that, maybe the oled bar gets some kind of "standard" function mode when it's not running macOS? I don't know really...
 
I know this is going to sound stupid but here goes...

I want to install Windows 10 (I know) on my mbp once it eventually comes out but I'm actually worried about compatibility issues with the rumoured OLED function bar.

What do you guys think?
I'd not expect any worse than the OLED bar working as old "stupid" functional keys. As for the new functionality (i. e. different functionality per app) - this might be lacking.
 
I think/hope Apple will deliver drivers for that, maybe the oled bar gets some kind of "standard" function mode when it's not running macOS? I don't know really...
That sounds like a fine solution. I certainly hope that will happen... I need windows to do a few things I can't do on OSX.

Amusingly I've found windows runs on apple hardware significantly better than on any other computer.
 
Amusingly I've found windows runs on apple hardware significantly better than on any other computer.

Back in the day the 2006 Macbook Pro was considered to be the fastest (or second fastest, depending on who you talk to) Windows XP mobile rig thanks to the good CPU&GPU combo in place at the time. The lack of built in bloatware from a fresh install helps too though. Hot new processor, expresscard, magsafe

man, those were the days.
 
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I think you're missing the point of my statement entirely. I'm really not even sure what you're trying to tell me.

EDIT: Are you thinking that I'm arguing against Apple going all USB-C? Or against having Thunderbolt 3? I'm honestly confused.

In response to your comment that "you're laughing at all the people 'whining' why the MacBooks don't have USB-C/TB3". It's a legit complaint for people as we want machines that have USB-C (personally don't care if it's all USB-C or not) to leverage the single cable/dock solutions available TODAY.
 
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Apple had better do something soon. And I don't think they can rely on Intel. The whole industry is in denial, but Intel has hit the wall. (...)

Whatever happened to Tim Cook's 'we'll innovate our way out of the downturn'? Apple needs a new iPhone design THIS year AND a brilliant NEWER design next year for the tenth anniversary. (...)
(...)
Nobody's THAT excited about Sky-late MacBook Pro (...)

Yes Intel's on the rocks. (...)

Apple is in a pit of its own making and customers locked-in to the ecosystem (don't anybody mention Apple Music, please) (...)

The pit gets deeper, the future gets darker (...)

Sky-late: hahah, I like this one
I don't know man, seems really apocalyptic, and honestly I was agreeing with you... specially when thinking about the Mac "Pro" users, Mac Mini ones or those that would really prefer an all apple laptop-display solution that's up to this year's standards.
Siri? Yes she is a pain...
But, objectively speaking, I actually don't have much to complain about! I work with a group of friends making games, the roster is: a Dell Laptop, Desktop Alienware, Mac Mini 2012, rMBP mid 2014.
Guess who are the ones everyday complaining that my computer did this, or it did that or that it's extremely slow launching apps.
Sadly I have to work under Windows 50% of the time, and even then the rMBP blows everything out of the water: docking on the TBD, launching Windows and running a script that loads all the required apps (3dsmax, Photoshop, after effects, unity, substance designer, notepad++, visual studio, tons of chrome tabs, etc, etc, etc) takes so little, I don't know, it's so under a minute... I have never counted, it feels instant, I don't have time to unpack my backpack while the whole thing is ready.
I honestly have no real complaints, just that it is not an OS X environment, because then it is really a bliss, everything is so neatly integrated there that damn... of course then you get issues like the Cellular Calling via OSX decides to fail since a few days ago and it annoys me. I prefer this to work properly than getting that extra 5% cpu boost in carefully benchmarked scenarios. Or Siri sucking balls all day long, but nevertheless is faster than manually inputting reminders for "when arriving at work" for example.
Now, I'm not an extremely power user and yes I would have welcomed Skylake nevertheless and TB3, egpu capabilities (if mainstreamed not DYI like right now) but it's far far far from the dark ages.
I do like my Apple TVs, I do like Apple Music (sorry, had to, it has never let me down), I do like my Mac, my iPad, my TBDs (maybe these not so much), my phone.
Or maybe I'm just rationalizing my dissappointment after these last two conferences (I was hyped as hell). But you get my point.
I think those who are on 2012 and up hardware and not full power users can stomach the wait for as long as (reasonably) needed.
 
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If they made a 15" MacBook with 32GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. However, I insist on a 15" display, so here I am! (Though, perhaps a 14" display might not be too bad.)

For my needs, if Apple made an 11" version of the MBP with an i7 quad-core, 16-32GB RAM, 4GB VRAM, and 1TB, I'll rush to the nearest Apple store and say "TAKE MY MONEY!". The reason? I'm portable most of the time and even though the 13" is a great MBP but I need something more travel friendly. I could get the MacBook or Macbook Air but I run Avid and Adobe a lot so I would need something that can do rough 720p editing easily.

I already have a powerful 15" Macbook Pro so I'm good.
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I think it would be a bad move for Apple to remove one of their most loved features in the MacBook line.
Could there be a USB-C magsafe variant? Maybe.

I guess we'll just have to wait some more to find out :(

I hope not cause that would suck to buy adapters for one [insert expletive] port.
 
For my needs, if Apple made an 11" version of the MBP with an i7 quad-core, 16-32GB RAM, 4GB VRAM, and 1TB, I'll rush to the nearest Apple store and say "TAKE MY MONEY!". The reason? I'm portable most of the time and even though the 13" is a great MBP but I need something more travel friendly. I could get the MacBook or Macbook Air but I run Avid and Adobe a lot so I would need something that can do rough 720p editing easily.

I already have a powerful 15" Macbook Pro so I'm good.
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I hope not cause that would suck to buy adapters for one [insert expletive] port.

Holy thermal throttling batman
 
Apple had better do something soon. And I don't think they can rely on Intel. The whole industry is in denial, but Intel has hit the wall. No improvement in CPU speeds. Every generation is behind schedule. Skylake isn't living up to even the modest promises. Nothing supports Thunderbolt 3, Intel's own standard, but basically because the processors aren't up to the promises Thunderbolt 3 comes with. Nobody wants to say it because there is no alternative…

I visited an Apple Store today (mall store), half the shop including the Genius Bar was repairs. NOBODY looking at ANY Macs, Watches or iPhones, and just 2 adults and 2 children playing with Pencils on iPad Pros. This is unheard of for this Apple Store. It's as busy as any of them. Admittedly this is Australia, where iPhones are $1500 and the MacBook went up $400 in the 6 months after I bought it. Add high prices outside the US, from where the majority of Apple's sales come, to a worldwide downturn in all consumer electronics and you can see why demand is low.​

The noises out of the US don't sound much different, except lower prices seem to cushioning the fall at bit more.

And the Apple echo chamber is all about - well, no new design this year for iPhone, BECAUSE next year is the tenth anniversary, etc.

Whatever happened to Tim Cook's 'we'll innovate our way out of the downturn'? Apple needs a new iPhone design THIS year AND a brilliant NEWER design next year for the tenth anniversary. THAT is how you get customers interested in your product in a downturn - really cool new stuff, and to sweeten the deal, how about prices go down to reward loyal customers! Sacrifice average profit to make it up in volume! Most especially if you can't deliver increased performance!!

Nobody's THAT excited about Sky-late MacBook Pro, because if recent years are any guide, there won't be any improvement in performance and the prospect of them being able to drive an Apple Retina external monitor (so far overdue, it's an industry joke) just went up in smoke.

And forget about a Mac Pro. In a non-upgradeable product, Apple needs to be upgrading processors and most particularly GPUs at LEAST yearly if they want anyone to wake out of their stupor over Mac Pro.

Yes Intel's on the rocks.
No ARM won't replace a mobile much less desktop processor.
Apple saw how iPad sales fell when they didn't upgrade the iPad Air 2, and yet they refuse to double-down on innovation, not only in notebooks and desktops, but iPhone, the goose with the golden egg!!

Apple is in a pit of its own making and customers locked-in to the ecosystem (don't anybody mention Apple Music, please) are feeling like they're being taken for a ride!

Hey look, shiny new notebook, slower than last year… but emoji are triple the size…

Any wonder that even among developers, that was more popular than Clipboard Continuity, or we're-going-to-do-to-your-documents-what-we've-done-for-Music-and-Photos, delete them from your hard drive and hide them in the cloud for you, good-luck-with-getting-them-back-when-you-need-them.​

The pit gets deeper, the future gets darker and Siri's smartarse attitude as it falls on its face over the simplest of tasks is the audible sound of the world's largest company falling completely out of touch.

An underperforming Skylake MBP in October after the most exciting thing about this year's iPhone in September will be a darker shade of (brown?) for 'space grey' - will really cap a disastrous year for Apple-lock-ins!!

I'm really hoping Apple will listen to its users both professional and population alike and give us what we want including software that we used to love until it was destroyed by new management instead of focusing on profit and the environment.
 
A little bit of an off topic , yes I know that Apple does not use the first models that Intel releases , that was the case also with skylake, the model apple uses were released this year , having said my question is , are the kaby lake notebook models going to be released this year around the same time as last year (around October ) or those are just the mobile (aka tablets) models going to be released this year ? I know a roadmap leaked a couple of weeks ago but it still tells me nothing

I'm asking because if the new MacBook pro refresh is disappointing I'll get myself a Dell XPS 15 with skylake
 
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