Erica Griffin, some kind of cute youtube geek who does tech reviews, switched entirely to the Macbook 12, look her up and listen to her verdict. To me it sounds like the Macbook is more than capable of editing up to 1080p video - in Final Cut Pro X though. Her video almost made me get the Macbook.
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Erica Griffin, some kind of cute youtube geek who does tech reviews, switched entirely to the Macbook 12, look her up and listen to her verdict. To me it sounds like the Macbook is more than capable of editing up to 1080p video - in Final Cut Pro X though. Her video almost made me get the Macbook.
It is more than capable of editing 1080p video in Final Cut Pro, hell I bet it can even edit 4K video. In general people on this forum, and this thread drastically underestimate the power of the MacBook.
I almost bought the Macbook when pound dropped a day after Brexit, but then I thought "yaaas I am just going to restore from my Time Machine backup on the microSD card – ah wait it has no microSD – then by USB – oh wait, it doesn't have USB – oh – Macbook Pro it is".
Kaby CPUs will likely see a staggered launch. Quad-core chips for laptops may not see the light of day until Q2~3 next year, so I won't hold my breath for it. The main difference between Kaby and Sky (as far as most 'pros' may be concerned) is integrated support for display port 1.3 - which can still be achieved with previous gen CPUs through external controllers. Absence of 1.3 makes the difference between single-port support for 5k res @60hz, so if Apple pushes for a Macbook Pro this year, I'll suspect they will find space for a 1.3 controller.
We don't know for sure yet how big of a performance jump Kabylake will deliver in the desktop family, but Intel has been very clear about the mobility line-up's MO : reducing power consumption and improving iGPU performance. Intel has a history of reducing the CPU core space with each architectural iteration and then filling said space up with iGPU. So, the jump to Kabylake, like many other times, will likely result in noticeable improvement with integrated graphics (albeit not too significant for those where dGPU use standard for day-to-day use, anyway) with "marginal" improvements in core performance and battery life.
Why i am still waiting. Benchmarks of the past Retina 13" iGUPs. Bottom being the initial MBP with Retina and Ivy Bridge. Then Haswell, Broadwell and finally Skylate.
Agreed. But then isn't part of the whole debate of Apple products whether capability is sacrificed for the beauty of a design style (thin, elegant, simple)? A powerful workstation beats a visually appealing slower laptop for some.
The constraint can lead to improvements in design due to working within the limitations of the design style, & simultaneously being limited by it.
Eg Over-simplistically you could say
Thicker => thermal capacity
Thinner => more throttling, lower TDP CPU & GPU.
Lazy - large vents & fans
Lazy - small vents, small fan & reduced performance
Different - eGPU - move GPU hear & noise out of the device, to a box away from the device. (If you accept you want to use a decent GPU for a while on a laptop, you're accepting that you're not moving the laptop around & you are plugged into power anyway).
eGPU seems up Apple's street - you reduce the performance of product in one way to help in others:
You use integrated graphics in most new MBP /solely(!). You then can make a quieter, thinner, cooler product. A discrete GPU in a laptop is not match for an eGPU.
As for ugly -
Don't we in part wish that new designs by Apple redefine the benchmark for beauty and ugly?
Beauty or ugliness isn't judged apart from performance usually.
Apple for the most past has incrementally improved on the aluminium design of previous MacBooks inside & out. No radical changes of materials or design aesthetic, instead improvements in design tolerances, aluminium used, improvements manufacturing methods & tools, miniaturisation etc.
Take Dell or Sony products with smaller bezels - this improvement makes other laptops & phones with thicker bezels look uglier & dated as what is beautiful as a concept is in the eye of the beholder & subject to change over time.
No. We have 4 Macbooks here. 2010 MBP 15" (i7 2.66Ghz, 8GB RAM), late13 MBP15" (i7 2.6GHz, 16GB Ram), mid14 MBP 15" (2.2Ghz, 16GB Ram) and early15 MBP 13" (i5 2.7Ghz, 8GB Ram).
And out of those 4 devices, I would only edit video with 2. And that's talking 1080p and not even 4K. I have graded 4K on much more powerful devices and handled Raw video (1080p). There is just no way, that a normal Macbook (or the 13" MBP tbh) handles professional video work good enough.
For pictures it's okay, but even editing 36MP Raws the 2010 MBP just can't really handle it anymore. That's why I am in this thread
(and of course the 2010 is old when it comes to interfaces and display too)
I wouldn't cite her as a credible source of information. Her reviews and conclusions are all based around her needs, which to be honest are not much.
MobileTechReview are the definitive "go to" place for proper reviews.
It sounds plausible but I was sure that Skylake was released in September and in October we already had Skylake laptops or am I mistaken ?
This seems interesting! Could you drop the link to the page? Does it compare the performance of the cards in other video games as well? Also, is the Iris 550 supposed to be the iGPU in the 13 inch?Why i am still waiting. Benchmarks of the past Retina 13" iGUPs. Bottom being the initial MBP with Retina and Ivy Bridge. Then Haswell, Broadwell and finally Skylate.
Yes 550 in 13, 580 in 15. That's why i listed it. Link to the page as requested below.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html
Not at all. But at that time being, the only laptop CPUs that were available was core m and some other dual core stuff.
The kind of chips befitting a "pro" laptop did not come along until several months ago.
I suspect Apple's production line is being held by AMD making their mobility Polaris chips available for manufacturers. I could see a Polaris 10-based iMacs and Polaris 11 based MBP, Mac Mini. We could also even consider Mac Pro getting a refresh somewhere down the road when Vega hits the shelves. Apple makes up for the costs of ridiculous factory QC standards by keeping tighter product line-ups compared to other companies, so I can see why they take their time to get the best parts they can get their hands on. (This unfortunately means that when engineers screw up and end up compromising long-term quality control, consumers don't have alternatives because OS X/MacOS platform do not have alternative hardware) Sure Nvidia is competitive for the gaming scene, but AMD has a history of working way better with Open CL.
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Because MobileTechReview are the only objective reviewers? All reviews are subjective, dude!
I watched Griffin's review, it was really good. She goes into the CPU performance and explains why she personally doesn't need a faster CPU. She talks about Final Cut rendering performance and everything.
I don't think you watched her video, or you did and you just don't like people who has actual opinions and preferences and vocalize them.
It wouldn't work for me, but obviously she cares far more about size/weight than I do.
I've been subscribed to her channel for about a year as she was one of the first to 'review' the 12" MacBook. It's nothing personal against her, but her reviews are not particularly technical or useful. It almost sounds like she's reading the marketing promo material that Apple obviously sent along with the MacBook. Sure, she's great at telling you how small and light the machine is and how the machine suits her needs perfectly and she's great at making out the machine can still do everything a powerful workstation can do - which is why I take her reviews with a pinch of salt, i.e. not very seriously.
MobileTechReview is one of the places to go if you want a professional technical review of hardware. Some other great YouTube channels for reviews are DetroitBorg, Dave Lee, Jonathan Morrison, TechnoBuffalo etc.
I like her stuff only because she sets different expectations for different machines (sets parameters) and gives her opinions (results) accordingly. She tells us what she tried to do with a machine, and how her experience was while trying to accomplish it. I don't recall her saying that the 12" Macbook can replace a workstation. I think she said something in the lines of: 'it'll make do as a decent computer to take around with, but you would probably have/need a desktop to go along with it'.
I was surprised she gave real-life feedback on gaming with the new Razer Blade (how hot it feels, how loud it gets, how much battery life she got etc.), the kind of stuff some 'reviewers' skimp out on in favor of benchmark scores and fps just because they're 'reviewing a gaming machine'. She gives a digest version of the kind of insights you get from notebookcheck's reviews, and I dig that.
Chill dude, Final Cut is well optimizedNo. We have 4 Macbooks here. 2010 MBP 15" (i7 2.66Ghz, 8GB RAM), late13 MBP15" (i7 2.6GHz, 16GB Ram), mid14 MBP 15" (2.2Ghz, 16GB Ram) and early15 MBP 13" (i5 2.7Ghz, 8GB Ram).
And out of those 4 devices, I would only edit video with 2. And that's talking 1080p and not even 4K. I have graded 4K on much more powerful devices and handled Raw video (1080p). There is just no way, that a normal Macbook (or the 13" MBP tbh) handles professional video work good enough.
For pictures it's okay, but even editing 36MP Raws the 2010 MBP just can't really handle it anymore. That's why I am in this thread
Sorry, but that man is the literal definition of Apple marketing promo material. The amount of time he spends on opening boxes, the fact that he just reads off basic promo material, and that he gives me no information outside of what I can read from the website are why he is not a "professional technical" reviewer. Like many other YouTube reviewers, he just has nice cameras for shoots.
I gotta jump ship! I gotta jump ship! I've suffered way too much with premiere on my dying '12 MBP 15"!!
Ok guys, I'm out (-ish) for now...sort of...
Ordered a mid-2015, i7, 2.5, 16gb, 512gb from amazon UK for £1599.99 (£400 cheaper) ...supposed to be new, I'll let you know how it goes....
Couldn't quite make the jump to Windows yet, despite the temptations/frustrations...and my trusty ol' 2010 17" has done it's very last job....as an aside, I'l be selling this to the wife for £1k when the new mac comes out (she normally buys 13") so, she'll get a bargain, I'll have something to work on and I'm still in the wait for Skylake (YAY!)
Everyone's a winner!
P.S- on the other hand, if this is sweet enough and the new macbook pro isn't I might just bide my time and keep it a year or two and she can buy the new 13"!
Ordered a mid-2015, i7, 2.5, 16gb, 512gb from amazon UK for £1599.99 (£400 cheaper) ...supposed to be new, I'll let you know how it goes....
Couldn't quite make the jump to Windows yet, despite the temptations/frustrations...and my trusty ol' 2010 17" has done it's very last job....as an aside, I'l be selling this to the wife for £1k when the new mac comes out (she normally buys 13") so, she'll get a bargain, I'll have something to work on and I'm still in the wait for Skylake (YAY!)
Everyone's a winner!
P.S- on the other hand, if this is sweet enough and the new macbook pro isn't I might just bide my time and keep it a year or two and she can buy the new 13"!
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She makes honest reviews though and yes based around her needs. She makes no secrets about that. Sometimes the deep personal insight about a product mean more (to me) than tech specs and comparison charts!
You're putting words into my mouth.
Could you tell me where USB-C is mentioned in my post? It's not. And that's intentional. Thunderbolt and USB serve different functions, and have different accessories, costs, and capabilities. I was specifically talking about Thunderbolt 3, and for some reason you keep trying to argue about USB-C.
Because they're interchangeable for the upcoming MBP. They use the same connector/port. If all this time you think that they're referring to the specific protocol, then you're clearly overthinking people's request.
Thanks! I knew about the site, but not about this tool! The 550 seems to be doing fine at low seetings, which is more than I could hope for!
They aren't interchangeable. They have the same connection type, but require different cables, TB3 requires an additional controller, and, as I've stated, have different uses, costs, and capabilities. If the Macbook Pro has 4 ports, it's likely that only 2 have TB3 connectivity because of the additional controller needed. Leaving two regular USB-C ports without it. They just simply aren't the same. Again, I was specifically speaking about thunderbolt 3. If you want to talk about the lack of USB-C in the current Macbook Pro, we can do that, but it has nothing to do with what I said earlier.
Skylake was released on the 5th of August last year at the gamescon (this year that same event is going to take place on the 17 of August ) and 2 months later the XPS 13 and the XPS 15 skylake refreshes were released in october or was it December ? Now I'm all over the place
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