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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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navaira said:
I almost bought the Macbook when pound dropped a day after Brexit, but then I thought "yaaas I am just going to restore from my Time Machine backup on the microSD card – ah wait it has no microSD – then by USB – oh wait, it doesn't have USB – oh – Macbook Pro it is".
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There are many reasons to not buy a MacBook, this has gotta be the worst one I have heard....
Wuiffi said:
No. We have 4 Macbooks here. 2010 MBP 15" (i7 2.66Ghz, 8GB RAM), late13 MBP15" (i7 2.6GHz, 16GB Ram), mid14 MBP 15" (2.2Ghz, 16GB Ram) and early15 MBP 13" (i5 2.7Ghz, 8GB Ram).

And out of those 4 devices, I would only edit video with 2. And that's talking 1080p and not even 4K. I have graded 4K on much more powerful devices and handled Raw video (1080p). There is just no way, that a normal Macbook (or the 13" MBP tbh) handles professional video work good enough.

For pictures it's okay, but even editing 36MP Raws the 2010 MBP just can't really handle it anymore. That's why I am in this thread ;) (and of course the 2010 is old when it comes to interfaces and display too)
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You don't mention the rMB
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fabytmHD said:
This seems interesting! Could you drop the link to the page? Does it compare the performance of the cards in other video games as well? Also, is the Iris 550 supposed to be the iGPU in the 13 inch?
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Yes the 550 kicks ass for all games

Meldalinn said:
Chill dude, Final Cut is well optimized
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Told ya so,
And this is the broadwell version. The skylake MacBook is another big performance leap
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chad.petree said:
Skylake was released on the 5th of August last year at the gamescon (this year that same event is going to take place on the 17 of August ) and 2 months later the XPS 13 and the XPS 15 skylake refreshes were released in october or was it December ? Now I'm all over the place
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Yea, but they weren't uodated with the processors suitable for the MacBook pros.
 
One thing I'm realizing from using this iMac is that 16 GB of memory may not even be enough :eek:

When I had my rMBP, it had 8 GB and I'd notice that I'd sometimes be maxed out, especially when trying to use Photoshop. Obviously I know Photoshop is a memory-hog, but editing photos is something I'll want to do with this new MBP.

On the iMac, I saw 12/16 GB being used just from having some browsers open and Photoshop. Maybe 32 might not be such a bad idea...hope they offer it...
 
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ThisBougieLife said:
On the iMac, I saw 12/16 GB being used just from having some browsers open and Photoshop. Maybe 32 might not be such a bad idea...hope they offer it...
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Let me guess... That includes inactive memory right?

Inactive memory shouldn't be seen as used... It's free memory, your OS is just using the free memory to make things faster, like putting applications you frequently use in memory for example, but as soon as it needs more memory, it starts using inactive memory.
 
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ThisBougieLife said:
One thing I'm realizing from using this iMac is that 16 GB of memory may not even be enough :eek:

When I had my rMBP, it had 8 GB and I'd notice that I'd sometimes be maxed out, especially when trying to use Photoshop. Obviously I know Photoshop is a memory-hog, but editing photos is something I'll want to do with this new MBP.

On the iMac, I saw 12/16 GB being used just from having some browsers open and Photoshop. Maybe 32 might not be such a bad idea...hope they offer it...
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Pretty sure 32GB will be an option, at least for the 15"
 
brainshutdown said:
Let me guess... That includes inactive memory right?

Inactive memory shouldn't be seen as used... It's free memory, your OS is just using the free memory to make things faster, like putting applications you frequently use in memory for example, but as soon as it needs more memory, it starts using inactive memory.
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There really is no good way to calculate memory use. In theory you have three buckets: Actually used, "nice to have", and not in use. And in a well functioning system you SHOULD have about 80% max in the first, and all that's left in the second, but you KNOW Chrome is cheating the system and telling the OS that all the background tabs are in the first bucket instead of the second where it belongs...
 
tofagerl said:
There really is no good way to calculate memory use. In theory you have three buckets: Actually used, "nice to have", and not in use. And in a well functioning system you SHOULD have about 80% max in the first, and all that's left in the second, but you KNOW Chrome is cheating the system and telling the OS that all the background tabs are in the first bucket instead of the second where it belongs...
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As you can see here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201538

Inactive: This information is in RAM but isn't actively being used, though it was recently used. For example, if you've been using Mail and then quit it, the RAM that Mail was using is marked as Inactive memory. Inactive memory is available for use by another application, just like free memory. However, if you open Mail before its inactive memory is used by a different application, Mail will open quicker because its inactive memory is converted to active memory, instead of loading it from the slower drive.
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Inactive memory is unused memory which in my opinion is free.
 
About RAM. Sure, more is obviously better but I doubt the prosumer will need more than 16 GB of Ram, 32 GB being the option for the heavy pro-poweruser. How does Ram work? The computer puts files and data there that's meant to be readily available, quick-access kind of thing. It's usually the core data of the programs you use at the moment and frequently used files (in this session). If you run out of ram, your OS creates a temp file on the hard disk from where it swaps out data and files with the stuff that's in the RAM as needed. But in today's day and age even if you're constantly running out of Ram with todays insanely fast SSDs this will not be as noticeable a bump in performance only if you work with MANY HUGE files all at once and quickly switch through them. Then you might notice a slowdown. You might also run into trouble if you're working with a few REALLY huge files like uncompressed RAW images in photoshop or even worse projects in Final Cut Pro X (even though it's highly optimized, less so is Premiere) where you ideally hold all those huge files in your RAM. In 2016 I still see it like this: 8GB for standard users, 16GB for the sophisticated ones and 32GB for the real powerusers. If you're on windows, that's another thing though, windows eats a lot of RAM, moreso than OSX (I mean macOS) thus you might need more RAM on PC than on a MAC.

Unfortunately as Apple decided to solder on most ram modules these days you better go with "too much RAM" from the start than having "too little" for the whole lifetime of your device. And this is exactly what Apple wants us to do. Shell out bigtime. :(

PS: Love my late 2012 Mac mini, quad i7, servicable hatch and exchangeable innards! :)
 
Soldering in RAM is not an Apple thing. It's a form factor thing. All other competing of laptops at that price point and form factor are also soldered in.
 
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I was always taught that page in/outs are the key thing when determining memory use. These days I just look at the memory pressure graph and as long as it's green I don't worry about it.
 
ThisBougieLife said:
One thing I'm realizing from using this iMac is that 16 GB of memory may not even be enough :eek:

When I had my rMBP, it had 8 GB and I'd notice that I'd sometimes be maxed out, especially when trying to use Photoshop. Obviously I know Photoshop is a memory-hog, but editing photos is something I'll want to do with this new MBP.

On the iMac, I saw 12/16 GB being used just from having some browsers open and Photoshop. Maybe 32 might not be such a bad idea...hope they offer it...
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You need to research on how memory management actually works in macOS and iOS. If they were to include the 32GB option you would also see that your shiny new rMBP's RAM is almost being "consumed" entirely with just a few windows open. The Memory Pressure graph in the Activity Monitor is what you should be paying attention to. Plus, running out of memory these days isn't as painful as it was back then. PCI-E SSD are getting faster (i.e. Samsung's SM961, RD: 3.2 GB/s, WR:1.8 GB/s.)
 
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I really respect the people that just bite the bullet and went to buy the 2015 knowing the other one is about to arrive. I really wanted to do that, but I can't...
 
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Grolubao said:
I really respect the people that just bite the bullet and went to buy the 2015 knowing the other one is about to arrive. I really wanted to do that, but I can't...
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Truth, these sales are tempting but when I need self control I look at the leaked chassis , put away the cash and follow up with my accountability partners here.
 
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Grolubao said:
I really respect the people that just bite the bullet and went to buy the 2015 knowing the other one is about to arrive. I really wanted to do that, but I can't...
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I can't either. Ultimately I really want a powerful portable MacOS device more than I care about new processors and such, but the possibility of the wide-gamut display and the fact that I'd be missing out on the new thing prevent me. Just gonna be waiting with everyone else for months to come :(

OSX7 said:
You need to research on how memory management actually works in macOS and iOS. If they were to include the 32GB option you would also see that your shiny new rMBP's RAM is almost being "consumed" entirely with just a few windows open. The Memory Pressure graph in the Activity Monitor is what you should be paying attention to. Plus, running out of memory these days isn't as painful as it was back then. PCI-E SSD are getting faster (i.e. Samsung's SM961, RD: 3.2 GB/s, WR:1.8 GB/s.)
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Yeah, I don't know, I use to use Clean My Mac and it'd always "alert" me when the memory was being "eaten" and it kind of freaked me out. It felt like my computer didn't have enough. But maybe that program was misleading me.
 
Krafty said:
I've been out of town for 24 hours. Tell me: Has WRONG been arrested for 2 count(s) of public intoxication + 4 count(s) of disturbing the peace outside an Apple Store yet?
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Found Wrong's car
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Grolubao said:
I really respect the people that just bite the bullet and went to buy the 2015 knowing the other one is about to arrive. I really wanted to do that, but I can't...
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I paid a total of €1181 for the 2015 one. The Apple price at the moment is €1449 and I expect it to go up. Perhaps the OLED bar will be so awesome it will make me want to spend extra €260 – or €360 – plus however much dongles cost... but I don't think so.
 
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jobush said:
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I double checked now , yes the Skylake Dell XPS 13 and 15 were released in October , exactly two months after the Skylake announcement in August and yes I know apple won't use those CPUs , but if the new MacBook refresh turns out to be disappointing I'll get myself a Dell XPS 15 with kaby lake
 
Krafty said:
I've been out of town for 24 hours. Tell me: Has WRONG been arrested for 2 count(s) of public intoxication + 4 count(s) of disturbing the peace outside an Apple Store yet?
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Not yet.
They were trying to, though, but when I told the Police "I'm not mad!!! I have solid reasons for doing what I'm doing!! Apple hasn't yet released the Skylake MBP!!" they were so understanding, that one of the policeman started riot and got drunk with me.
 
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