Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Basic75]

while in this chat it may seems everyone is holding back their breath for the 2016 model we need to realize we are a very small minority.

And that the 2015 model is still a very good machine that will get a lot of work done well.

 

[dukeOfPrunes]

Then why require the watch to unlock? They can make it work just as easily with the phone too, but that won't help sell watches. They have SOOO many iPhone users that can leverage that. Limiting it to the watch is purely to sell watches.

Not at all, security is key here. The Apple Watch is authenticated to unlock your MacBook only when its on your wrist. The iPhone doesn't have this functionality and it doesn't make much sense to unlock the MacBook with TouchID on the iPhone.

Would be a pretty bad if someone could steal your iPhone and MacBook and gain full access with auto-unlock as long as the iPhone is in close vicinity to the MacBook!

 

[navaira]

416 days since update... can we reach 500?

 

[Ma2k5]

What are the chances of the new rMBP being Intel WIDI compatible (with Win10 VM)? I found using WIDI so good with my XPS 13, would be nice not to have to get an Apple TV just to stream my macbook.

 

[x-evil-x]

Not at all, security is key here. The Apple Watch is authenticated to unlock your MacBook only when its on your wrist. The iPhone doesn't have this functionality and it doesn't make much sense to unlock the MacBook with TouchID on the iPhone.

Would be a pretty bad if someone could steal your iPhone and MacBook and gain full access with auto-unlock as long as the iPhone is in close vicinity to the MacBook!

But the watch is only authenticated when you have your phone unlocked or you enter a password on the watch.
The EXACT same thing for the phone.
Even if someone stole your mac and phone it wouldn't auto unlock without TouchID or passcode(similar to apple watch unlock(just not touchID)). re-think that again

 

[frankgrimes]

I don't want anything crazy just give me:

- skylake
- 16 gig RAM option
- more tactile keyboard (I like the keyboard but the travel time is a bit too low compared to my mechanical keyboard with MX black switches)
- 4k or at least 2k resolution
- replaceable battery, RAM and SSD I think I'll need more than 128
- black color option with a green or snow white Apple logo
- also please please a matte display
- a version without touch ID - i refuse to give companies my fingerprint sensor
- optical drive would be nice

Also a small size upgrade to around 14 inch would be awesome

 

[cmChimera]

But the watch is only authenticated when you have your phone unlocked or you enter a password on the watch.

This is done once, as soon as someone puts on the watch. Not multiple times a day like the iPhone.

 

[Dydegu]

I'd think it's pretty likely that they'll release a new Magic Keyboard with the touchbar? Would be an easy way to offer TouchID / Siri / whatever else to all existing Macs.

 

[x-evil-x]

This is done once, as soon as someone puts on the watch. Not multiple times a day like the iPhone.

i understand that. He was just saying it wouldn't be secure using your phone to unlock your mac. As secure as a watch. Which makes no sense. You still need to unlock a phone just like a watch to get into a mac (if they bring unlocking features to phones).

 

[cmChimera]

i understand that. He was just saying it wouldn't be secure using your phone to unlock your mac. As secure as a watch. Which makes no sense. You still need to unlock a phone just like a watch to get into a mac (if they bring unlocking features to phones).

Which seems a lot more inefficient with a phone. You don't need to unlock the Watch. You just open your laptop up and you're done. With a phone you need to open your laptop up, grab your phone, and unlock your phone. That seems pointless.

 

[viper4011]

Which seems a lot more inefficient with a phone. You don't need to unlock the Watch. You just open your laptop up and you're done. With a phone you need to open your laptop up, grab your phone, and unlock your phone. That seems pointless.

As someone who's used MacID, a 3rd party macOS + iOS app that does exactly this, I can say that it is marginally more convenient than entering a password and many times more fiddly. i.e. Something that Apple wouldn't do and probably isn't worth the trouble.

While I enjoyed using MacID, after a few days I uninstalled it and never looked back.

 

[x-evil-x]

yea it does seem pointless to have an unlock feature on the phone. little better than typing it into the computer though. Security wise its still as secure as having the watch unlock it.

 

[shareef777]

I think that's venturing into conspiracy theory territory. I suspect the real reason is boring: it's watch-based because it wouldn't work nearly as elegantly with an iOS device. Because a watch is tied to your wrist, it's pre authorized so all you have to do is be next to your Mac. For an iOS device to work, you'd have to take it out of your pocket and put your thumb on the button, at which point it would be faster just to type your password.
Apple Pay is different because although it requires some of the same steps, it's still faster than inputting credit card information, as well as being more secure.

MacID. Works perfect with El Capitan and my iPhone 6s. I approach my Mac and it unlocks. It goes one step further and locks my Mac when I leave it. All done by a single developer. Any other excuses you have for Apple?
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Which seems a lot more inefficient with a phone. You don't need to unlock the Watch. You just open your laptop up and you're done. With a phone you need to open your laptop up, grab your phone, and unlock your phone. That seems pointless.

But why not offer the feature on the device that hundreds of millions of people have vs just the one that a few million have? While it may not be as elegant as the watch, it would still serve and be used by more people.

 

[PKBeam]

perhaps one could take their phone out of their pocket while simultaneously opening up their laptop, saving precious fram... er, seconds.

(sgdq fever is real)

 

[Cougarcat]

MacID. Works perfect with El Capitan and my iPhone 6s. I approach my Mac and it unlocks. It goes one step further and locks my Mac when I leave it. All done by a single developer. Any other excuses you have for Apple?
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How does it do the authorizing? It doesn't sound like it's as secure because anyone could take your phone and then unlock your Mac. With the watch, it's pre-authorized and tethered to your wrist.

I'd think it's pretty likely that they'll release a new Magic Keyboard with the touchbar? Would be an easy way to offer TouchID / Siri / whatever else to all existing Macs.

I don't think it's likely but I sure would love one, especially if it was black and backlighted. It would be extremely expensive, though. The keyboard now costs $99.

Since they would have the space, ideally they'd leave the function keys alone and put the bar above that for other functions.

 

[vatter69]

Also often times i leave my mac and phone on the table to grab a coffee - chat with someone and 20 mins later my mac is still unlocked because my phone is right next to it.

Im all for doing it with the watch because thats 100% moving when i am.

 

[Ma2k5]

I don't want anything crazy just give me:

- skylake
- 16 gig RAM option
- more tactile keyboard (I like the keyboard but the travel time is a bit too low compared to my mechanical keyboard with MX black switches)
- 4k or at least 2k resolution
- replaceable battery, RAM and SSD I think I'll need more than 128
- black color option with a green or snow white Apple logo
- also please please a matte display
- a version without touch ID - i refuse to give companies my fingerprint sensor
- optical drive would be nice

Also a small size upgrade to around 14 inch would be awesome

You don't want anything crazy you say? *rolls eye*

Also, you do know you don't have to give companies your fingerprint.... A lot of your idea's are just so unrealistic and nonviable I feel like you want something from 10 years ago in form factor.
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MacID. Works perfect with El Capitan and my iPhone 6s. I approach my Mac and it unlocks. It goes one step further and locks my Mac when I leave it. All done by a single developer. Any other excuses you have for Apple?
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But why not offer the feature on the device that hundreds of millions of people have vs just the one that a few million have? While it may not be as elegant as the watch, it would still serve and be used by more people.

That is the key, "elegance", Apple would rather not introduce it if they don't feel it is elegant enough. This isn't Android, who are happy to add functionality at any cost (not saying that is a good or bad thing, just a different approach).

 

[shareef777]

How does it do the authorizing? It doesn't sound like it's as secure because anyone could take your phone and then unlock your Mac. With the watch, it's pre-authorized and tethered to your wrist.



I don't think it's likely but I sure would love one, especially if it was black and backlighted. It would be extremely expensive, though. The keyboard now costs $99.

Since they would have the space, ideally they'd leave the function keys alone and put the bar above that for other functions.

There are options on how you want it to work. It's very customizable (which is why I'm arguing Apple would have offered it, if it wasn't for the fact that they only want to use the feature to sell watches). I can have it unlock purely based on me approaching (which is what I do). That'd be obviously less secure if you lost your phone, but I'm glued to my phone more then I am to my watch. I'll ALWAYS have my phone on me, not the same for my watch (phone/texting is pretty crucial for work/family). The app also allows you to unlock via a unique tap pattern on the trackpad. Or via touchID on the phone (prompts you when you open/wake your Mac).

All I'm saying is that it's something they can offer. A single developer offers a solution already for the phone so I can't imagine Apple doesn't have the resources to offer something better ingrained into the OS. If you can't see that it's there to sell watches then you're too far into the kool-aid to have any discussion with.

 

[Cougarcat]

If you can't see that it's there to sell watches then you're too far into the kool-aid to have any discussion with.

Your post was very reasonable until this point.

Could they offer those solutions? Sure. But there are also very good reasons why they didn't that have nothing to do with "kool-aid." i.e less secure and dubious benefits. Apple would rather not implement something at all rather than do it half-assed. You may not like that philosophy but it's how Apple operates.

 

[cmChimera]

But why not offer the feature on the device that hundreds of millions of people have vs just the one that a few million have? While it may not be as elegant as the watch, it would still serve and be used by more people.

I can have it unlock purely based on me approaching (which is what I do).

The app also allows you to unlock via a unique tap pattern on the trackpad. Or via touchID on the phone (prompts you when you open/wake your Mac).

The approaching one is the only one of those that seem useful in my opinion, but it is obviously less secure than the already authenticated watch method.

In my opinion, THAT's why Apple went the Watch method exclusively.

 

[jeh72]

What are the chances of the new rMBP being Intel WIDI compatible (with Win10 VM)? I found using WIDI so good with my XPS 13, would be nice not to have to get an Apple TV just to stream my macbook.

Probably not likely, because Apple has its own proprietary Airplay thing. I don't think it'll work in a VM either because WiDi is reliant on the intel display driver and (I think) intel wifi adapter.

 

[JustinRP37]

I don't want anything crazy just give me:

- skylake
- 16 gig RAM option
- more tactile keyboard (I like the keyboard but the travel time is a bit too low compared to my mechanical keyboard with MX black switches)
- 4k or at least 2k resolution
- replaceable battery, RAM and SSD I think I'll need more than 128
- black color option with a green or snow white Apple logo
- also please please a matte display
- a version without touch ID - i refuse to give companies my fingerprint sensor
- optical drive would be nice

Also a small size upgrade to around 14 inch would be awesome

Sounds like you won't be buying another MacBook Pro then. Second, 16GB of RAM is currently the standard on the MBP 15 inch 2015 and an option on the 13 inch MBP. They will not bring back a user replaceable battery and if you cannot afford the $199 after 3+ years and 1000 cycles, then you probably should not have bought the MBP in the first place. You do not have to use Touch ID just because a device has it, but it sounds like you are clueless as to how Touch ID actually works and are paranoid for no good reason. Your fingerprints are literally everywhere, if the government or someone really wanted them, they would acquire them in about ten minutes of following you. An optical drive? You mean like one you can already buy and use when needed for the 0.05% of the time you will need it moving forward? Listen not to be harsh, but your post is like a computer from the late 2000s minus Skylake.

 

[WRONG]

I don't want anything crazy just give me:

- skylake
- 16 gig RAM option
- more tactile keyboard (I like the keyboard but the travel time is a bit too low compared to my mechanical keyboard with MX black switches)
- 4k or at least 2k resolution
- replaceable battery, RAM and SSD I think I'll need more than 128
- black color option with a green or snow white Apple logo
- also please please a matte display
- a version without touch ID - i refuse to give companies my fingerprint sensor
- optical drive would be nice

Also a small size upgrade to around 14 inch would be awesome

I would like a unicorn furry cover, and a rainbow keyboard.
I don't want anything crazy though.

(Frank pls)

 

[frankgrimes]

I would like a unicorn furry cover, and a rainbow keyboard.
I don't want anything crazy though.

(Frank pls)

Buy whatever you want fanboy.

Sounds like you won't be buying another MacBook Pro then. Second, 16GB of RAM is currently the standard on the MBP 15 inch 2015 and an option on the 13 inch MBP. They will not bring back a user replaceable battery and if you cannot afford the $199 after 3+ years and 1000 cycles, then you probably should not have bought the MBP in the first place. You do not have to use Touch ID just because a device has it, but it sounds like you are clueless as to how Touch ID actually works and are paranoid for no good reason. Your fingerprints are literally everywhere, if the government or someone really wanted them, they would acquire them in about ten minutes of following you. An optical drive? You mean like one you can already buy and use when needed for the 0.05% of the time you will need it moving forward? Listen not to be harsh, but your post is like a computer from the late 2000

It's not about afford it's about doubling the battery life , on my phone I have a bunch of a spare batteries and it works great. 10 hours battery life is great what's even better? 20 hours

I know how it works because this fingerprint stuff has been added to note and more devices lately ...I just don't trust the companies enough it's not being paranoid is taking care of my own security and privacy.

I don't know about you but I still need them more often than not it's just more convenient than having to download all the stuff at least for me.

 

[WRONG]

Buy whatever you want fanboy.

Wait for something that will never come, my dear dreamer.
Half of the things you wish are unrealistic.