You honestly expect them go through a redesign just to cancel it?
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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You honestly expect them go through a redesign just to cancel it?
Ah, I didn't mean to say discontinue... but for that to be the last MBA. Just like how they still sell the non retina MBP. If they're going to phase it out, might as well go out with a bang.
I think the lineup is so confusing at the moment that they need to clean it up soon. One of the great things about Apple always was that it was very easy to recommend the right gadget to someone or to find it for yourself. Now its quite a mess…
You want a light machine: rMB, 11" MBA or iPadPro?
More power: 13" MBA, 13" rMBP, MBP
Oh, more space: 15" MBP
Not to forget of all the possible configurations of each machine…
i dunno; there are more choices than there's ever been. i don't think that's a bad thing. (altho i do suspect that the Air will vanish sometime soon)... but with apple, there's no way to know anything much in advance.
When were they last updated? Does anyone still buy them?Only that non retina MacBook Pros haven't been phased out yet
Mid 2016 is really quite late for a skylake macbook pro. People have just started receiving their skylake xps 15's and it seems to be getting very good initial impressions. As an xps owner you can reap the benefits of a smaller bezel and skylake for over a year before cannonlake comes out, which again should be a significant upgrade.
It is true that there is always something better coming up, skylake however is already out there as an upgrade in most mainstream machines and unfortunately intel is taking its sweet time with releasing the cpus appropriate for the macbook pro.
There better be a redesign in the form of smaller bezels and a slightly lighter body.
It is true that there is always something better coming up, skylake however is already out there as an upgrade in most mainstream machines and unfortunately intel is taking its sweet time with releasing the cpus appropriate for the macbook pro.
There better be a redesign in the form of smaller bezels and a slightly lighter body.
I think most posters on this forum are reasonably expecting Q1 2016 for Skylake MBPs, not Q2, which I definitely agree would be extremely late to the party.
And the successor to Skylake will be Kaby Lake, not Cannonlake. Cannonlake was delayed by Intel.
Forgot about that one. I remember reading that and thinking it was weird that they are making 3 versions instead of their normal tick tock.
WWDC 2016 is the obvious launch event. That's Q2. I predict they'll make Intel have Kaby Lake ready.
WWDC, while Q2, is still pretty much mid 2016. That does seem really late for Skylake, but not for a redesign. I'd say Kaby Lake is up in the air. The redesign could launch with Skylake but then they upgrade it a few months later with Kaby Lake.
I'm still crossing my fingers for November this year.
This prediction is even more improbable than another poster's earlier prediction that Apple would delay introducing new MBPs to Q2 for the sake of freshness.
1. This idea that Apple can make Intel have Kaby Lake ready before Q3, when sources have leaked it to be coming on line, is absurd. The one time in my memory Apple had any kind of early access to a mobile Intel chip was when it specifically asked for a custom designed Merom chip in the 1st gen MBA in 2008. In that case, Apple wasn't asking for a full CPU generation early, it was asking for a current Merom generation CPU with accelerated smaller packaging. If Apple could have "made" Intel have chips ready beforehand, there are plenty of other instances where it would have wanted to but didn't. Obvious examples include this past June with the 15" MBP update; 1 month earlier access to Broadwell HQ chips then would have been nice. Or this holiday season; early access to Skylake HQ chips with Iris Pro would have been great too.
2. Even if Kaby Lake somehow was able to arrive earlier than its scheduled Q3 2016 release, why would you expect chips with the best iGPUs (like Iris Pro) to be ready first? That hasn't been the pattern with Broadwell or Skylake. There's no reason to think that will magically change with Kaby Lake either.
3. A Q2 release to incorporate Kaby Lake but skipping Skylake would mean Apple would be not updating either its 13" or 15" MBPs for historically long periods of time. I posted this earlier, but a June update would put that interval at about 450 days for the 13" and 360 days for the 15". The longest the rMBP has gone without an update is 280 days. Saying that Apple would be willing to push out an update that long in order to skip two full CPU generations (in the case of the 15") is nonsensical.
In all likelihood, Apple will introduce updated MBPs within 1-2 months after the chips are ready. If it's Skylake without a redesign, there probably won't be any event at all. If it's Skylake with a redesign, Apple isn't somehow shackled to introducing it at WWDC in June. It introduced redesigned MBAs at a dedicated "Back to the Mac" event in October 2010. It can certainly do something like that again.
Cannon lake is delayed but it is quite possible given the time constraints that apple might just release a skylake version rather quickly without a redesign and then launch a redesigned macbook with cannonlake the following year due to a significant change in the architecture in the form of 10 nm chips. I doubt we will see two significant redesigns back to back starting with skylake and then cannonlake again. I don't really know much about chips so just throwing out possibilities here.
Don't know if it is appropriate to post it here but here is the first unprofessional extended review of the xps 15 with a lot of comparisons with the macbook pro:
If apple can just reduce the bezel size upgrade the screen in the next refresh with skylake chips, I will finally purchase my first macbook pro.
If apple can just reduce the bezel size upgrade the screen in the next refresh with skylake chips, I will finally purchase my first macbook pro.
It was last updated in June 2012 haha, sales are probably not that high no, but it's not phased out yet
The funny thing is that it's priced at $1099 while the retina model is priced at $1299. Not a very big difference.
My bet: Skylake rMBP not redesigned in February, then an october event "Back to Mac" with Kaby Lake and the new redesign.
It would be enough time between the two release, since from February to October is about 240 days, and the average time is 214 days.
It would be enough time between the two release, since from February to October is about 240 days, and the average time is 214 days.
The 1º generation of Macbook Pro was announced in January 2006. A 10th anniversary event could be a thing for the redesign announcement.
Skylake is the big deal here: up to 64gb ddr4, pci-e 4, wireless charging, wi-gig, integrated iGPU cache memory, thunderbolt 3 and of course the more gpu power and more energetic efficiency.
Kaby Lake it's just a minor refresh, wouldn't match a redesign.
Skylake is the big deal here: up to 64gb ddr4, pci-e 4, wireless charging, wi-gig, integrated iGPU cache memory, thunderbolt 3 and of course the more gpu power and more energetic efficiency.
Kaby Lake it's just a minor refresh, wouldn't match a redesign.
While the majority of goodies will be in the SkyLake release, Kaby Lake is reported to complete support for HEVC H.265 including 10-bit. SkyLake has only partial HEVC hardware support. Assuming that the 13" will only sport a iGPU, that support will be important to me long term.
Now if I can attach an eGPU via TB3, that would solve 90% of the problem. That 10% gap is iGPU in a purely mobile mode not supporting the full HEVC standard.
Thank you! I didn't know about that. Then this could be an important factor since Apple cares a lot about the screen quality and it could be another reason to use only iGPUs on all the rMBP family.
I have to do some research about it, but right now it even makes me hesitate about waiting for Kaby Lake xD
I really don't think so...
2008 - unibody redesign
2012 - redesign featuring retina display, 33% thinner
2016 - redesign featuring thinner machine, bezel shrink (14" and 16" models), removing of all ports except USB-C (2 on 14", 3 on 16")
The 2016 MBP will have amazing power efficiency (integrated GPU, Sky/Kaby lake, new battery technology, larger battery volume, OSX efficiency improvements [El Cap is amazingly fuel efficient already] and a whole load of power shavings from every single internal component (memory, SSD, networking, wireless, etc.) Think 12 hours of light development work on a single charge.
Kaby Lake with appropriate GT4e and GT3e will launch in early 2017 not late 2016. The Kaby Lake CPUs launching this year are the one with GT2. You know, usual Intel butchered release -.-", the whole reason we are still waiting for appropriate Skylake CPUs. Redesign will come with Skylake unless they want to wait for Kaby Lake in 2017, but that would mean 5 years with out a redesign and apple usually does them every 4 years.
After a bit of research about kaby lake the 10-bit support isn't clear to me.
Are we talking about the Kaby Lake iGPU being able to display a 10-bit color depth on the screen? Or this HEVC support it's more a cpu thing to make it capable of decode 10-bit but useless unless you also have a dGPU or eGPU which supports 10-bit.
One additional reason we might not see an updated MBP this year is the Infinity display. Dell has stated that it licensed the technology from Sharp, and that it has an exclusivity deal. The question is how long that deal runs, different sources say either August 2015 or December 2015. Either way, Apple might be interested in the technology, as it is getting excellent reviews especially in color reproduction, brightness and contrast. Apple has just switched to Sharp for the iPad Pro display.
So maybe Apples redesign plans include this display technology, and they have to wait for the exclusivity deal to end.
At least I hope so, as a redesigned rMBP with smaller bezels, smaller footprint and 100% Adobe RGB would be awesome.
Skylake doesn't have "partial" HEVC H.265, it's actually fully hardware accelerated. Partial would mean that the CPU and GPU are working together to decode the stream just like in Haswell and Broadwell. Both SL and KL are able to display 10bit colour depth on screen, the difference lies in that Kaby Lake just adds the ability to decode 10 bit HEVC streams in hardware. Skylake on the other hand has to use a "partial" decoding scheme only for 10bit HEVC encoded content but 8bit is fully hardware accelerated.
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