Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[robeddie]

Why do you hope something that is different to flop. This is the exact stuff that should be pushing innovation. Unless you are just happy with the same year after year?

I'm all for 'innovation' that actually improves the user experiemce or solves a problem. This does neither IMO. Making changes to things that already work great, to something less useful - isn't the kind of 'innovation' we should be cheering for.

A non tactile keyboard is decidedly less effective than a tactile one.

 

[x-evil-x]

I'm all for 'innovation' that actually improves the ussr experiemce or solves a problem. This does neither IMO. Making chamges to things that already work great, to something less useful - isn't the kind of 'innovation' we should be cheering for.

A non tactile keyboard is decidedly less effective than a tactile one.

i think you are looking at this as a replacement computer which it is not. For note taking i see this as a huge upgrade from what we currently have. Its a tablet after all. Not a laptop.(even though one version runs windows)

 

[lympero]

The more I take a look at the MacRumorsBuyersGuide, the less I understand what Apple is working on...
I mean, it's one of the richest companies in the world, with billions of dollars available in research and development.
How is even possible to have almost the entire line-up of products outdated?!
I'm sincerely curious, more than angry.
Does someone have any idea?

They are too rich to care anymore. They just want to sell iPhone's and watch bands and die in piece.
We'll see some innovation in 30 years or so. Patience

 

[ArchimeZix]

They are too rich to care anymore. They just want to sell iPhone's and watch bands and die in piece.
We'll see some innovation in 30 years or so. Patience

yah and after the Note 7 disaster maybe they will save iphone 7 for the next year.

 

[Srb001]

i think you are looking at this as a replacement computer which it is not. For note taking i see this as a huge upgrade from what we currently have. Its a tablet after all. Not a laptop.(even though one version runs windows)

for a note taking the ipad pro with pencil is lighter and more compact...and better

 

[ChinkyBob]

That thing is progressive thinking.
Apple take notes.
innovation can still happen

TBH as an engineer doing drawings and taking notes on matters in meetings I can see some real advantages with arrangement in certain use cases, and it looks like it has sockets, and can always use the apple bluetooth keyboard with it.
Im not saying Id buy one, but I would definitely like to check it out in the flesh.
Interesting.
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for a note taking the ipad pro with pencil is lighter and more compact...and better

Or a pen and paper.

 

[Srb001]

TBH as an engineer doing drawings and taking notes on matters in meetings I can see some real advantages with arrangement in certain use cases, and it looks like it has sockets, and can always use the apple bluetooth keyboard with it.
Im not saying Id buy one, but I would definitely like to check it out in the flesh.
Interesting.
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Or a pen and paper.

pen and paper will be obsolete in 1 year...the paper can be washed out or ripped off...but what you are doing on the ipad is stuck until you need into the cloud

 

[Dutchdude99]

Imagine delivery dates slipping for wednesday

 

[kanyehameha]

ussr experiemce

 

[speelurker]

I have a theory which is mainly wishful thinking and probably completely wrong.

Three factors at work to varying degrees:

1. Unfortunate timing. The product development cycles happened to line up by chance and caused a drought of product announcements.

2. Apple Car development distracted key personnel and resulted in delays.

3. Apple is tired of dealing with too many reliability issues with MacBook Pros and discrete GPUs - too many motherboard replacements. (See: https://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro-videoissues/)

So, perhaps they are going to announce some dramatically new manufacturing and validation processes that will weed out these problems before the machines go to market. Some accelerated aging process using new robotics to "shake and bake" units to simulate years of use in just months so they can discover and correct these problems before the products go to market.

Sigh. I can dream.

The more I take a look at the MacRumorsBuyersGuide, the less I understand what Apple is working on...
I mean, it's one of the richest companies in the world, with billions of dollars available in research and development.
How is even possible to have almost the entire line-up of products outdated?!
I'm sincerely curious, more than angry.
Does someone have any idea?

 

[t0mat0]

They didn't skip it. The Skylake chips they'll use are likely ones that have barely seen the light of day and aren't in any shipping laptops yet (just the Intel NUC). If they pull a quad core Kaby Lake MBP out of a hat this fall, I will eat my 2011MBP.

I imagine many people would be eating hats if they'd bet on how long the refresh of the MBP would be also hehe.
Either way, an update this year would be nice.

 

[GZR]

I'll be ordering a MBP today to take advantage of the back to school offer, if they don't announce new ones on Wednesday I will open it. I'm tired of waiting

 

[imom]

That thing is progressive thinking.
Apple take notes.
innovation can still happen

For someone like me who spends 30+ hours of my week typing business documents, that keyboard would be a disaster. If I could type at only half my normal pace then that keyboard would effectively create an extra 30 hours of work per week for me. No thanks!

And given that people who want to type will avoid it, what's the point of the clam shell design? May as well go for the simpler design of the iPad.

Different ≠ Better
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The more I take a look at the MacRumorsBuyersGuide, the less I understand what Apple is working on...
I mean, it's one of the richest companies in the world, with billions of dollars available in research and development.
How is even possible to have almost the entire line-up of products outdated?!
I'm sincerely curious, more than angry.
Does someone have any idea?

Agreed, it beggars belief. They still have the opportunity to make billions from the computer market over the next 10 years.

I can think of only 2 explanations:

i) Apple is betting the whole farm, i.e. pouring every available resource, into a new project such as the iCar. That would be a huge mistake for Apple given how many competitors with deep pockets are ahead of Apple in that game.
ii) Someone at or near the top of the company is following a 'vision', that is more important to them than billions in profit. If I were a shareholder, I would be mightily p*ssed.

 

[Dead0k]

So Kaby Lakes are already in (we can say presented) laptops. Razer Stealth with i7-7500U

1:30
Apple with their perfect CPU choice again will be the last among others...

 

[OSX7]

The more I take a look at the MacRumorsBuyersGuide, the less I understand what Apple is working on...
I mean, it's one of the richest companies in the world, with billions of dollars available in research and development.
How is even possible to have almost the entire line-up of products outdated?!
I'm sincerely curious, more than angry.
Does someone have any idea?

While I personally think that Apple's product line is insanely outdated, we must also consider that MR's Buyers Guide is not taking into account the fact that cycles for certain products have stretched or have always longer the 1 year guideline they use to categorize them. Example, the Apple TV (and iPods) have always received updates on an average of once every 2 years, yet they are tagged with a "Neutral" label. There is simply no reason for this. Intel is getting slower and Mac cycles are getting longer and longer. That guide is no longer representative or in line with the new trends. People will be mislead into thinking "hey, i need to wait, the next one will be out soon" when they see that "DON'T BUY" label. What happens then is a frustrated consumer that ends up waiting WAY MORE than expected for something that isn't being launched any time soon. We will definitely see this with the 15" MBP next year. Since there is no sign of a GT4e Kaby Lake, instead they will jump on the Coffee Lake on 2018. Once the new MBPs are unveiled, MR must work swiftly to fix this issue. Each and every one of those products must be "calibrated" with their own respective and "updated" upgrade cycles. Once considered the gold standard, MR's buying guide is no longer accurate, it just serves a day counter, until they fix the aforementioned issues of course.

 

[Rob_2811]

The more I take a look at the MacRumorsBuyersGuide, the less I understand what Apple is working on...
I mean, it's one of the richest companies in the world, with billions of dollars available in research and development.
How is even possible to have almost the entire line-up of products outdated?!
I'm sincerely curious, more than angry.
Does someone have any idea?

I know its all based on number of days since the last refresh but seriously iPod Touch, Shuffle and Nano on don't buy? Does anybody seriously think that they are likely to get a significant update any time soon. If you wanted an iPod now would be as good a time as any to buy one.

Similar can be said for some of the other stuff on there, iPad Pro 9.7 has only been out six months I'd feel happy enough buying one at the moment if that was what I wanted. The Macbook has only just been bumped to Skylake, is that likely to see a Kabylake refresh before Spring 2017. I wouldn't have thought so. Even the iMacs, what kind of significant refresh is likely to be imminent there? The 27 inch is already running a Skylake chip iirc and i'm pretty sure there wasn't a Skylake variant appropriate for the 21 inch.

The new Phones and Watch are looking a certainty for Wednesday and the reports indicate a new Macbook Pro, Air and possibly eyen a new display are coming by the end of the year.

I'd agree the Mac Line up needs freshening up but they will have been working on the new phone (their biggest selling product by far) the new Watch (a market they are looking to grow) and new Macs.

I think the Buyers guide is exactly that a guide, it's a rule of thumb nothing more, if people only bought when the product was listed in green that only leaves maybe six months post release.

 

[robeddie]

i think you are looking at this as a replacement computer which it is not. For note taking i see this as a huge upgrade from what we currently have. Its a tablet after all. Not a laptop.(even though one version runs windows)

Huh?!? I can type WAY faster than I can write. In fact, when I need to take copious notes, I specifically grab my laptop rather than pen and paper. So by my experience, I couldn't imagine anyone who would think a laptop without a real tactile keyboard would be faster, but I guess you're different ... or never learned to type effectively?

 

[ThisBougieLife]

Different ≠ Better

Agreed. Progress for the sake of progress (or change for the sake of change, if you will) is to be discouraged. My biggest problem with the lack of new MBP isn't lack of "innovation" either. I don't even want it to be any thinner; I thought it was fine the way it was. If they can make it thinner without sacrificing power or cooling, go for it, but it's not a need for me.

At this point the main thing I want to see (aside from faster processor) is a wide-gamut display (now that the iMac, iPad, and iPhone 7 have it, I think the MBP deserves it!) and option for more ram. Otherwise, I don't need them to "innovate" much more. I know that's people's biggest complaint about Apple (no innovation!) but it's not mine. I just want a current computer that justifies the high price; I don't care how "different" it is.

 

[justywusty]

My husband felt so bad for how long I've been waiting that he just let us switch our computers...since I have to use mine for work all day. So now he's using my 2011 13" MBA and I'm using his 2014 13" MBP. So that will tide me over for now! woohoo.

 

[mjs402]

My husband felt so bad for how long I've been waiting that he just let us switch our computers...since I have to use mine for work all day. So now he's using my 2011 13" MBA and I'm using his 2014 13" MBP. So that will tide me over for now! woohoo.

Ha, I gave my fiancé my 2016 12-inch MacBookand got myself a 5k iMac. Using that with the iPad Pro, and boy.. I want to kill that stupid thing sometimes, then I see him using the damn svelte MacBook and think to myself.. I suck. Come on Apple... you need to not suck too.

 

[CaliKW]

Discussion on CPU choices for new MBP.... http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/03/inside-the-2016-macbook-pro----cpu-choices

 

[Janichsan]

Keyboarding - I think this was discussed hundreds of pages back, but last I checked, rumors pointed toward the next Macbook Pro using the "butterfly mechanism" keyboard as seen with the current Macbook. Has anyone here developed an opinion on that keyboard from sustained use of a Macbook? I have not used it for more than a couple of seconds, but people I trust say it is a disaster for "Pro" typists (esp., writers of longform text.) If the Whatever-Lake Macbook Pro uses that "reimagined" keyboard, it might be a deal-breaker. It's that important to me.

My valiant early-2011 15" MBP will be sent to a loving family on a beautiful farm in the country soon. I definitely need a post-2011 Pro device for certain key tasks, but maybe I'll be perfectly happy with an "old" keyboard on a high end edition of the current model with a presumed post-Skylake discount?

Anyway, my real question is, for writers, how bad is the most innovative keyboard ever?

The problem is not the butterfly mechanism per se, it's the reduced key travel in the rMBs. In theory, Apple could build a keyboard with butterfly mechanism that has the same or at least a comparable key travel as the current rMBP keyboards – that would most likely absolutely fine with everyone.

If Apple however chooses to use the same extra-thin keyboard they used in the rMB, it won't be as well received. You probably have already garnered from other replies that everyone's personal mileage may vary, but for many – including me – the thin keyboard with reduced key travel is horrible to type with. For me, this would most likely even be an absolute exclusion criterium against a new rMBP.

 

[x-evil-x]

Huh?!? I can type WAY faster than I can write. In fact, when I need to take copious notes, I specifically grab my laptop rather than pen and paper. So by my experience, I couldn't imagine anyone who would think a laptop without a real tactile keyboard would be faster, but I guess you're different ... or never learned to type effectively?

And when you have to draw things from the board in class? All I'm saying is it has its advantages with the note on a pad to images on the screen. Can be good for people that like to draw on actual paper too and have a digital copy. It's not a replacement for a laptop.

 

[Corrode]

The problem is not the butterfly mechanism per se, it's the reduced key travel in the rMBs. In theory, Apple could build a keyboard with butterfly mechanism that has the same or at least a comparable key travel as the current rMBP keyboards – that would most likely absolutely fine with everyone.

If Apple however chooses to use the same extra-thin keyboard they used in the rMB, it won't be as well received.

And, as already stated, Apple has made a butterfly mechanism keyboard with more travel in the Magic Keyboard and this could be the same travel they go with in the MBP as it won't be as thin as the rMB.

 

[BondFancy]

Good sign, just got an email from Best Buy for the new student coupons, interestingly missing is any form of discounts on Mac hardware. These coupons are valid from 9/4 to 10/8, typically after their big back to school discounts they still have a $50 off new Macs coupon. I think Best Buy is getting ready.