Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[rezwits]

sorry if this is frowned upon, but I had to CROSS-POST, because there are some over at the other campsite, holding down the fort for KabyLake haha, but it's applicable since it's so cross related, but this guy said NO REASON for a 2015 rMBP, really?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-kaby-lake-mbp-thread.1984045/page-4

It would be hilarious if they announced (for shipping whenever) a Kaby Lake on Wednesday, and that thread gets dwarfed to like 15 pages HA!

but on another note....

It's not worth it to buy the mid-2015 MBP.

Kaby Lake chips are shipping, the MBP rumor mill is in hyperdrive, USB-C interfaces will be the shiznit in a couple of months. Or, the new MBPs will come out and the price of that mid-2015 MBP will tank, you'll buy one at the now-tanked price and be happy with it.

I'm waiting for Kaby Lake...

I just bought a rMBP 15/15 2.2 256 16, and I freaking love this thing. I am waiting for the KabyLake/CannonLake rMBP. I wanted one final OLD SCHOOL USB machine.

For starters this is the best I could find:

http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/drive-mobile-future-integral-fusion-usb-type-c

even tho I think that one is a prototype.

I went with this bad daddy:

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultr...d=1472419921&sr=8-4&keywords=USB3+flash+drive

128 GB USB 3 for $30? that's amazing! It's going to be a project drive that is going to start with 60 GB, full of scans and pdfs, for this projector I have.

With 256 GB built in this is going to be a treat, and it's going to fit FLUSH on the right side of this TRUE USB PORT!

While I sit on the couch working on it, after, when I go in my projector room, I just remove the drive and plug into the MacBook running the projector setup. Which is actually nicer because if I use the drive with its "always the same" '/Volumes/camp' mount path, then illustrator and indesign won't bitch about linked files versus, copying them to the machine then copying them back to the server, because working off of the server is too slow, with 1.2GB comp/scans of maps for the projector.

Now I can just have a USB3 "SSD" for $30, that is dedicated to the project with all the files linked perfectly, no relinks needs, which I know isn't that bad to re-link but it's just nice!

And being SO FLUSH is just DOPE. oh and btw you're not going to get a FLASH DRIVE that is 10 Gbit/s (USB 3.1 gen 2 speed). I seriously doubt the one I'm getting will even be 5 Gbit/s, probably be the lame USB 3.0, 2.5 Gbit/s. But if it is 5.0 Gbit/s I'll be back here clamoring!

Seriously I can't find one USB Type-C that is small or flush, and it's going to be a while I think because of the size of Type-C, it's pretty small. (except that one listed above, but like I said I think that's a prototype) And they all seem to want to include old school with them.

No reason to buy the mid-2015?

Another reason, I have been running it for 2 weeks now, and not one crash/freeze. Now don't get me wrong, but I gotta feeling this thing is going to be bulletproof for a LONG TIME. I also got the non-dGPU, to make sure no crashing, I gotta have my POPS (no crashing that is) (that was a reference to that old cereal commercial)

And one more reason, and mind you these are all 100% legit reason, there are some others but I am not listing them, because they are just meh reasons.

But the KEYBOARD! I don't care what guys say here and there I still like the OLD Keyboard. And I bought a rubber cover for the keyboard (which I kinda like even better) and hard shell spec case for full protection.

So those are some solid reasons, ok ok one last reason:

the SkyLake, KabyLake, CanonLake, are almost 100% going to have soldered SSD, maybe even octane for Canon.

And they are going to be more like iOS devices than REAL MACS haha no I'll stop right there.

But if I am going to join this thread and get it up to 1000 pages by the time the CanonLake rMBP 16" (late 2018) is released (cause that's the name this thread should migrate to) I had to get a new machine to sit back with daily with...

p.s. even one last reason, but I am probably NEVER going to exercise this:

IF they don't release a SkyLake rMBP 2016, and this thread does get dwarfed by Apple releasing a KabyLake 2016 and a early 2017 (quad 15") then the 2015 rMBP, will be the last baddest MacBook Pro to run Windows 7 in BootCamp. Because supposedly KabyLake is not supported and won't run Windows 7, only Windows 10. Like I said I probably won't ever do this, because (A.) I would only do it if I threw a 1 TB SSD inside for the Windows 7 partition and Linux too if I was going to go all out, but with the 256 GB there's no room for other OSes. But (B.) I am probably just going to leave the 256 GB in till it dies, which would be probably forever ha so... ok laters... I am out...but Windows 7, oh and good luck installing Windows 10 with a USB Type-C bootable flash drive too... I had a bitch of a time installing Windows 7 with a USB-3 Flash Drive, I had to dongle it down to USB-2 because of the drivers, on my MacBook Air 11 2012, just imagine NO DVD NO normal USB FLASH, mehahahaha

 

[Branflaakes]

Aren't the ones that are released already the power saving or low powered Kaby Lake chips?

If I was buying a MBP, I want the HQ or higher performance chips, not the ones suitable for the MacBook or mabook air.
[doublepost=1473086410][/doublepost]just add to my comment above. If you already haven't know from previous post, I bought a 15 inch dell xps w/ the 6th gen 6700HQ I7 and I had absolutely no problems and it is super fast. Heck, even the touchpad is pretty good.

What important to state that the battery life with Skylake exceeded my expectations. I can play games for a while and still have ample of battery life left to do other stuff. What's really cool is that it doesn't get hot at all and the graphics looks pretty good when using the intel graphics chip on battery. Pleasantly surprised the fan's don't come on (or very quiet) when I play games on battery. The only time it gets warm and the fans come on is when I got it plugged in and it uses the Nvidia 960m graphics to play games.

Back to the subject of Apple.....If they do go ahead and go with the lower powered Kaby Lake chips for their new MacBook pro, then they are telling their power users that they don't matter any more...which is a big mistake IMO.

Only the power users buy the MacBook Pros, they want the most powerful chip (and computer) with this machine since they are paying top dollar for the MBP. Tim should just come out and say that they will not release the new MBP's until the high performance kaby lake chips come out next year. Not stuff a low power kaby lake chip in there and release it. The gimmicky led strip on the keyboard is not worth the potential backlash they will get if they release a another MacBook pro with the high performance kaby lake chip in less than a year.

MacBook pro users want their laptop to last for years & years, not just one year. What scares me is that Tim will start treating the MacBook pro's as 1 year only machines. Not everyone has 1500, 2k, or even 3K (Canada) to spend on a MBP every year.

Even though I'm out of the apple laptop world, I still respect all of you that uses apple laptops and you guys deserve a high power MacBook pro for the money you will plunk down for one.

Are we seriously going to pretend power users constitute a large enough demographic compared to the regular consumer/prosumer market? Do you really think liberal arts college students here really need the computational power of the Macbook Pro over the Macbook? No. Yet almost all, male or female(especially), majoring in English, Education, or Science, all have a freakin' Macbook Pro.

Apple hasn't targeted the traditional Power User for a while, now. Why don't you move on to the thinkpad or dell precision mobile workstation line? Apple is targeting the prosumers at best, the cool, fashionable person who edits and posts content, sit in coffee shops. Is this not oblivious to you or anyone complaining about Apple's target audience..? You do realize the OLED function keys aren't going to be targeted towards Power Users, right? Neither is the butterfly key mechanism. Oh and don't forget about a plethora of different watch bands as well as dedicating the amount of time they did in the last keynote for various..EMOJIS. They're for aesthetics and entertainment-related function..lol.

 

[richinaus]

Are we seriously going to pretend power users constitute a large enough demographic compared to the regular consumer/prosumer market? Do you really think liberal arts college students here really need the computational power of the Macbook Pro over the Macbook? No. Yet almost all, male or female(especially), majoring in English, Education, or Science, all have a freakin' Macbook Pro.

Apple hasn't targeted the traditional Power User for a while, now. Why don't you move on to the thinkpad or dell precision mobile workstation line? Apple is targeting the prosumers at best, the cool, fashionable person who edits and posts content, sit in coffee shops. Is this not oblivious to you or anyone complaining about Apple's target audience..? You do realize the OLED function keys aren't going to be targeted towards Power Users, right? Neither is the butterfly key mechanism. Oh and don't forget about a plethora of different watch bands as well as dedicating the amount of time they did in the last keynote for various..EMOJIS. They're for aesthetics and entertainment-related function..lol.

I agree. It is a desktop solution for me moving forward with the macbookpro as an ancillary device for out of office work / short bursts. The OLED bar may cause me a lot of issues as the software I use makes a lot of use of the escape button - will see how that goes.

The 15" MBP I bought end 2014 [non custom top end model] has never been quite good enough for me - in standard usage it is fine 'Safari, pages, email etc] but when I use the 'pro' apps I use [revit, autocad, fusion, keyshot etc] it tends to struggle quite quickly. I should be using one of the workstation laptops of Dell, HP but really can't bring myself to use that hardware [design snob] so put up with the less than stellar performance.

Hopefully a fully loaded iMac will do it for me or maybe a new mac pro if they are ever updated, but as stated in the previous post the current range of laptops are not for power users [or at least should be considered secondary devices].

 

[rezwits]

This is just an ASIDE, but I just found out:

The MacBook Retina 12" (2016) does NOT have any Thunderbolt 1 or 2, and there isn't even an adapter! That $#!+ is crazy! and the video out is USB 3.1 Gen 1 digital video output, CRAZY! It's just a Type-C connector!

 

[heeloliver]

This is just an ASIDE, but I just found out:

The MacBook Retina 12" (2016) does NOT have any Thunderbolt 1 or 2, and there isn't even an adapter! That $#!+ is crazy! and the video out is USB 3.1 Gen 1 digital video output, CRAZY! It's just a Type-C connector!

I mean, yeah. What person who buys a RMB would need thunderbolt??

 

[Branflaakes]

I agree. It is a desktop solution for me moving forward with the macbookpro as an ancillary device for out of office work / short bursts. The OLED bar may cause me a lot of issues as the software I use makes a lot of use of the escape button - will see how that goes.

The 15" MBP I bought end 2014 [non custom top end model] has never been quite good enough for me - in standard usage it is fine 'Safari, pages, email etc] but when I use the 'pro' apps I use [revit, autocad, fusion, keyshot etc] it tends to struggle quite quickly. I should be using one of the workstation laptops of Dell, HP but really can't bring myself to use that hardware [design snob] so put up with the less than stellar performance.

Hopefully a fully loaded iMac will do it for me or maybe a new mac pro if they are ever updated, but as stated in the previous post the current range of laptops are not for power users [or at least should be considered secondary devices].

Exactly. Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being. It's common sense and logic, but cognitive dissonance prevents many (especially the older populace that have been using macs for quite a while (10+years)) from accepting it. The MBPs are getting thinner, have always never been able to match the specs of true mobile workstations from Dell, Lenovo, and HP, forego key travel for aesthetics/thin-ness. The rMBP 15" is an ULTRABOOK, comparable to the Dell XPS 15" both in specs and form factor, NOT a true mobile workstation. Get that in your heads already. I have no problem with any of this, as I'm myself not needing of a true workstation, but people who do complain are doing it baseless-ly.

The funny thing is, Apple does not even try to market anymore to those who seemingly complain about it the most--Power Users. Apple touts its thinness and form factor, its Retina Screen, Logic Pro X, Colors(most likely coming to rMBP as MB, iPads, and iPhones all have colors), Emoji expansion, Paying with Apple Pay on Macs, Siri, etc. Not one of those are targeted at traditional professionals. They're for, like I said, the cool, hipster "social justice warrior" 20-30 something year olds who edit and share content including, but not limited to videos and photos, and post excessively on social media, all while sitting in a coffee shop pretending to do actual graphically-intensive tasks.

Again, I have no problem with any of this. I realize Apple's direction and I've chosen to accept it. There are, however, many who just complain and complain about a direction Apple does not choose to go down, and the power user market Apple does not even try to market to.

 

[croco_dile]

No new leaks, we aren't going to see new macs on Wed that's for sure.

 

[richinaus]

Exactly. Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being. It's common sense and logic, but cognitive dissonance prevents many (especially the older populace that have been using macs for quite a while (10+years)) from accepting it. The MBPs are getting thinner, have always never been able to match the specs of true mobile workstations from Dell, Lenovo, and HP, forego key travel for aesthetics/thin-ness. The rMBP 15" is an ULTRABOOK, comparable to the Dell XPS 15" both in specs and form factor, NOT a true mobile workstation. Get that in your heads already. I have no problem with any of this, as I'm myself not needing of a true workstation, but people who do complain are doing it baseless-ly.

The funny thing is, Apple does not even try to market anymore to those who seemingly complain about it the most--Power Users. Apple touts its thinness and form factor, its Retina Screen, Logic Pro X, Colors(most likely coming to rMBP as MB, iPads, and iPhones all have colors), Emoji expansion, Paying with Apple Pay on Macs, Siri, etc. Not one of those are targeted at traditional professionals. They're for, like I said, the cool, hipster "social justice warrior" 20-30 something year olds who edit and share content including, but not limited to videos and photos, and post excessively on social media, all while sitting in a coffee shop pretending to do actual graphically-intensive tasks.

Again, I have no problem with any of this. I realize Apple's direction and I've chosen to accept it. There are, however, many who just complain and complain about a direction Apple does not choose to go down, and the power user market Apple does not even try to market to.

This hits the nail on the head. It is perfect for the tasks mentioned and the indisputable king of it, but for a workstation look elsewhere.

The above is why I stated in a post earlier I for one am looking forward to a lighter slimmer rMBP. It will still be able to deliver the average task competently [as the MacBook does very well] and also more on photo editing, but there is no way I will be sat anywhere with it in front of me for more than a couple of hours. In these situations it is likely I will be doing 'average' tasks.
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No new leaks, we aren't going to see new macs on Wed that's for sure.

I have little hope to see any computer on an iPhone release. October seems very likely and I have resigned myself to this

 

[rezwits]

I mean, yeah. What person who buys a RMB would need thunderbolt??

Yeah, but my main issue was, that is a SkyLake MacBook, and they DID NOT get the Thunderbolt 3 or ANY Thunderbolt conditioned for it. So they obviously, fixed up that SkyLake MacBook the best they could, shipped them out the door and then said "Ok guys we gotta get this Thunderbolt 3 working on SkyLake, either that or jump to Kaby Lake, you guys ready?", and then they went to work, and now here we all are...

 

[OSX7]

Exactly. Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being. It's common sense and logic, but cognitive dissonance prevents many (especially the older populace that have been using macs for quite a while (10+years)) from accepting it. The MBPs are getting thinner, have always never been able to match the specs of true mobile workstations from Dell, Lenovo, and HP, forego key travel for aesthetics/thin-ness. The rMBP 15" is an ULTRABOOK, comparable to the Dell XPS 15" both in specs and form factor, NOT a true mobile workstation. Get that in your heads already. I have no problem with any of this, as I'm myself not needing of a true workstation, but people who do complain are doing it baseless-ly.

The funny thing is, Apple does not even try to market anymore to those who seemingly complain about it the most--Power Users. Apple touts its thinness and form factor, its Retina Screen, Logic Pro X, Colors(most likely coming to rMBP as MB, iPads, and iPhones all have colors), Emoji expansion, Paying with Apple Pay on Macs, Siri, etc. Not one of those are targeted at traditional professionals. They're for, like I said, the cool, hipster "social justice warrior" 20-30 something year olds who edit and share content including, but not limited to videos and photos, and post excessively on social media, all while sitting in a coffee shop pretending to do actual graphically-intensive tasks.

Again, I have no problem with any of this. I realize Apple's direction and I've chosen to accept it. There are, however, many who just complain and complain about a direction Apple does not choose to go down, and the power user market Apple does not even try to market to.

Wow, I should frame this post, it's so damn accurate. I would really like to defend the rMBP as a true mobile workstation, but I can't because it isn't; and like you said they don't cater to the power user market (they haven't been doing that in a long time). But they have yet to realize this. Maybe this new thinner rMBP will make them "see the light".

 

[ManhattanProject]

Exactly. Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being. It's common sense and logic, but cognitive dissonance prevents many (especially the older populace that have been using macs for quite a while (10+years)) from accepting it. The MBPs are getting thinner, have always never been able to match the specs of true mobile workstations from Dell, Lenovo, and HP, forego key travel for aesthetics/thin-ness. The rMBP 15" is an ULTRABOOK, comparable to the Dell XPS 15" both in specs and form factor, NOT a true mobile workstation. Get that in your heads already. I have no problem with any of this, as I'm myself not needing of a true workstation, but people who do complain are doing it baseless-ly.

The funny thing is, Apple does not even try to market anymore to those who seemingly complain about it the most--Power Users. Apple touts its thinness and form factor, its Retina Screen, Logic Pro X, Colors(most likely coming to rMBP as MB, iPads, and iPhones all have colors), Emoji expansion, Paying with Apple Pay on Macs, Siri, etc. Not one of those are targeted at traditional professionals. They're for, like I said, the cool, hipster "social justice warrior" 20-30 something year olds who edit and share content including, but not limited to videos and photos, and post excessively on social media, all while sitting in a coffee shop pretending to do actual graphically-intensive tasks.

Again, I have no problem with any of this. I realize Apple's direction and I've chosen to accept it. There are, however, many who just complain and complain about a direction Apple does not choose to go down, and the power user market Apple does not even try to market to.

This. So much this. What will it take for everyone to see that Apple's target audience for the rMBP isn't the "power user"?

 

[campyguy]

Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being.

A different perspective here. I run a small engineering company, mainly from my 3-year-old rMBP.

The non-technical part is that I bill out about $7k per hour to my clients while using my rMBP. I don't have to worry about the Registry being compromised in Windoze, get connectivity with my 7 Mini Servers via VPN, and can manage my company and network/contacts/schedule with ease via Daylite Server and Merlin Project.

The technical part is that I can use Merlin Project Server (far cheaper and easier to use than Project), two CAD/CAM apps to get sh** done, and run Parallels Desktop to run Windoze apps that I need to make money for my business and get bills and invoices paid.

Yeah, I get what you're writing. I use engineering apps to make money/resources, business apps to collect money/resources, and scheduling apps to coordinate money/resources - my Windows laptop that I carry with me is more of a PITA to deal with, not to mention the Registry. I'm not YouTube or Vimeo or millennial person, but I'll compare my billables any day BECAUSE of my platform choice.

This is my own opinion, that's all that matters here. I want Apple to get their crap together and offer Xeon and Kaby Lake options or I'll figure out a work-around to their creaky old RAM/processor options. FWIW, I'm not taking issue with anything you've written...

 

[Rob_2811]

Exactly. Macbook Pros are not designed to BE the mobile workstation that many here accuse it of not being. It's common sense and logic, but cognitive dissonance prevents many (especially the older populace that have been using macs for quite a while (10+years)) from accepting it. The MBPs are getting thinner, have always never been able to match the specs of true mobile workstations from Dell, Lenovo, and HP, forego key travel for aesthetics/thin-ness. The rMBP 15" is an ULTRABOOK, comparable to the Dell XPS 15" both in specs and form factor, NOT a true mobile workstation. Get that in your heads already. I have no problem with any of this, as I'm myself not needing of a true workstation, but people who do complain are doing it baseless-ly.

The funny thing is, Apple does not even try to market anymore to those who seemingly complain about it the most--Power Users. Apple touts its thinness and form factor, its Retina Screen, Logic Pro X, Colors(most likely coming to rMBP as MB, iPads, and iPhones all have colors), Emoji expansion, Paying with Apple Pay on Macs, Siri, etc. Not one of those are targeted at traditional professionals. They're for, like I said, the cool, hipster "social justice warrior" 20-30 something year olds who edit and share content including, but not limited to videos and photos, and post excessively on social media, all while sitting in a coffee shop pretending to do actual graphically-intensive tasks.

Again, I have no problem with any of this. I realize Apple's direction and I've chosen to accept it. There are, however, many who just complain and complain about a direction Apple does not choose to go down, and the power user market Apple does not even try to market to.

I kind of agree with the sentiment here in as much as people expecting 32gb of RAM and ethernet ports in a Macbook Pro these days are looking for a different machine.

A couple of things though, the Macbook Pro 15 Inch isn't an ultrabook, Ultrabook was the brand rolled for the PC market by Intel as a response to the Macbook Air. Look at the machines listed by Intel in the ultrabook category they are all much closer to the Air than the Macbook Pro.

Cant agree about the part in bold though. As a professional developer i'm doing a lot more on my 15 inch Pro than sitting in Starbucks posting emoji on Facebook, I'm working in Unity and Xcode or designing in photoshop and sketch. The Mac/iOS development community are reliant on Macs there have to be machines in the lineup that can comfortably accomplish these tasks.

In particular the top end 15 inch pro is a fairly powerful laptop, it has a quad core cpu , 16gb RAM standard and discrete graphics, I'd be amazed if anybody is spending £2000/$2500 on one to spend most of their day posting on social media.

 

[Branflaakes]

A different perspective here. I run a small engineering company, mainly from my 3-year-old rMBP.

The non-technical part is that I bill out about $7k per hour to my clients while using my rMBP. I don't have to worry about the Registry being compromised in Windoze, get connectivity with my 7 Mini Servers via VPN, and can manage my company and network/contacts/schedule with ease via Daylite Server and Merlin Project.

The technical part is that I can use Merlin Project Server (far cheaper and easier to use than Project), two CAD/CAM apps to get sh** done, and run Parallels Desktop to run Windoze apps that I need to make money for my business and get bills and invoices paid.

Yeah, I get what you're writing. I use engineering apps to make money/resources, business apps to collect money/resources, and scheduling apps to coordinate money/resources - my Windows laptop that I carry with me is more of a PITA to deal with, not to mention the Registry. I'm not YouTube or Vimeo or millennial person, but I'll compare my billables any day BECAUSE of my platform choice.

This is my own opinion, that's all that matters here. I want Apple to get their crap together and offer Xeon and Kaby Lake options or I'll figure out a work-around to their creaky old RAM/processor options. FWIW, I'm not taking issue with anything you've written...

Yes, I get what you're writing too. It might work perfectly fine for you, and also a lot of people. It works totally fine for what I use it for also. Whatever I can do on my rMBP though, I can probably equally do well on a Windows laptop. I actually prefer windows sometimes, personally. I think what irks me is the "limit potential" of how powerful a laptop is. The limit potential of today's rMBP is not designed to match mobile workstations with Xeon chips and Nvidia 1060s, rather, are for editing 4K and the such.

The point of my previous post however, is not to gauge anecdotally if it works well for you or me, it's that Apple's vision for the rMBP deviates from what many "power users" thinks it is. They want a bulkier laptop with full keys, 32gb of ram, discrete nvidia 1070(lol), and the sorts that are NEVER going to happen. And what happens? They complain and complain and compare the rMBP, a prosumer ultrabook, to a real mobile workstation like the Dell Precision Mobile Workstation line or the ThinkPad line, then they get disappointed and complain more. It would be excusable IF Apple actually marketed the rMBP as a mobile workstation, but Apple does not even try to market to such.
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I kind of agree with the sentiment here in as much as people expecting 32gb of RAM and ethernet ports in a Macbook Pro these days are looking for a different machine.

A couple of things though, the Macbook Pro 15 Inch isn't an ultrabook, Ultrabook was the brand rolled for the PC market by Intel as a response to the Macbook Air. Look at the machines listed by Intel in the ultrabook category they are all much closer to the Air than the Macbook Pro.

Cant agree about the part in bold though. As a professional developer i'm doing a lot more on my 15 inch Pro than sitting in Starbucks posting emoji on Facebook, I'm working in Unity and Xcode or designing in photoshop and sketch. The Mac/iOS development community are reliant on Macs there have to be machines in the lineup that can comfortably accomplish these tasks.

In particular the top end 15 inch pro is a fairly powerful laptop, it has a quad core cpu , 16gb RAM standard and discrete graphics, I'd be amazed if anybody is spending £2000/$2500 on one to spend most of their day posting on social media.

Haha yeah, the part in bold is more of a dramatic stereotyping (that is not inherently wrong, however) of the type Apple markets to. I do understand many who buy rMBPs do actually utilize it to more of its potential than that, but Apple's vision moving forward is somewhat in-line with that stereotyping that I alluded to, as compared to that of an extreme power user.

 

[campyguy]

Yes, I get what you're writing too. It might work perfectly fine for you, and also a lot of people. It works totally fine for what I use it for also. Whatever I can do on my rMBP though, I can probably equally do well on a Windows laptop. I actually prefer windows sometimes, personally. I think what irks me is the "limit potential" of how powerful a laptop is. The limit potential of today's rMBP is not designed to match mobile workstations with Xeon chips and Nvidia 1060s, rather, are for editing 4K and the such.

The point of my previous post however, is not to gauge anecdotally if it works well for you or me, it's that Apple's vision for the rMBP deviates from what many "power users" thinks it is. They want a bulkier laptop with full keys, 32gb of ram, discrete nvidia 1070(lol), and the sorts that are NEVER going to happen. And what happens? They complain and complain and compare the rMBP, a prosumer ultrabook, to a real mobile workstation like the Dell Precision Mobile Workstation line or the ThinkPad line, then they get disappointed and complain more. It would be excusable IF Apple actually marketed the rMBP as a mobile workstation, but Apple does not even try to market to such.

Thanks for that input. A bit of supplementary input, if you will?

I've posted here on MR that would buy a 17" rMBP today, several actually, with Xeon processors. I'm 6'7" and would welcome a "normal" sized Mac laptop with 32GB of RAM any day.

OTOH, the "anecdotally" bit gets some additional input from me here. Consider "MS Project" - it's $1k per CAL and Win only. Some pretty nice alternatives that I hold licenses to such as Merlin Project cost about 25% of that CAL, and the output gets plenty of compliment from my clients - and I don't have to pay for CALs every year. Choosing my SW carefully gets me a cost reduction over Win SW each year that more-or-less covers 20+ of my OS X platform costs - and keeps my clients guessing which application I'm using. My 16 licenses of a PM software - using applications that don't suck balls - would cost me $16 per year on Windows PCs but cost me less than $5k for SW that doesn't expire in 1 year. That comparison is for one application comparison - I've got several more that aren't "MS Office" or a similar comparison that we use daily.

I do want more powerful Macs, however - and not complaining here - what I don't spend on Windows-based CALs each year pays for a couple dozen Mac upgrades. No anecdotes here, but I do get what you're writing... I wish Apple would get off their cans, collectively, so we can all get on with whining about something else!

 

[richinaus]

Yes, I get what you're writing too. It might work perfectly fine for you, and also a lot of people. It works totally fine for what I use it for also. Whatever I can do on my rMBP though, I can probably equally do well on a Windows laptop. I actually prefer windows sometimes, personally. I think what irks me is the "limit potential" of how powerful a laptop is. The limit potential of today's rMBP is not designed to match mobile workstations with Xeon chips and Nvidia 1060s, rather, are for editing 4K and the such.

The point of my previous post however, is not to gauge anecdotally if it works well for you or me, it's that Apple's vision for the rMBP deviates from what many "power users" thinks it is. They want a bulkier laptop with full keys, 32gb of ram, discrete nvidia 1070(lol), and the sorts that are NEVER going to happen. And what happens? They complain and complain and compare the rMBP, a prosumer ultrabook, to a real mobile workstation like the Dell Precision Mobile Workstation line or the ThinkPad line, then they get disappointed and complain more. It would be excusable IF Apple actually marketed the rMBP as a mobile workstation, but Apple does not even try to market to such.
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Haha yeah, the part in bold is more of a dramatic stereotyping (that is not inherently wrong, however) of the type Apple markets to. I do understand many who buy rMBPs do actually utilize it to more of its potential than that, but Apple's vision moving forward is somewhat in-line with that stereotyping that I alluded to, as compared to that of an extreme power user.

The way I look at it is choosing the right tool for the job. As a business owner if I need to buy desktops, notebooks and iPads to achieve the task at hand I will. It is unfortunate that the direction of the notebooks is in a more consumer direction meaning I can no longer rely on it as my sole tool, but this is fine. It is just a matter of recognising what I need to achieve a certain task and using the correct tool to deliver it.
The people who don't realise that Apple has taken a different path now and hope the new laptops in October will deliver everything are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I do hope to be proven wrong though as it will save me quite a bit of cash and I prefer the 1 computer setup, but judging on how things have progressed over the last 5-8 years it will be a desktop for me [to deliver the amount of power needed] and a secondary thin laptop when away from the desk.

As an aside the above solution does not lend itself to task based working, which does upset me a little, but this is another conversation !

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Please Apple, hurry up.

I'm going overseas in 3 days and can't really be without my laptop for 5 business days while they replace the battery...

 

[Exile714]

Please Apple, hurry up.

I'm going overseas in 3 days and can't really be without my laptop for 5 business days while they replace the battery...

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why not just service your battery? I don't know what you're doing with your computer when the MBP2016 comes out, but if you're selling it you'lol get more for a recently serviced battery. If you need the computer for anything, keep it going as long as you can.

Edit: just to say "you'lol" is a creation of autocorrect. I'm not going to fix it.

 

[richinaus]

Please Apple, hurry up.

I'm going overseas in 3 days and can't really be without my laptop for 5 business days while they replace the battery...

I always feel the Apple Store should have loan computers for this type of issue. Hope you get it sorted !

 

[The Reasonable One]

You can definitely type text faster than you can write it, but have you ever tried to take engineering/physics/math notes on a laptop? Even a LaTeX wizard probably wouldn't be able to keep up with a lecture!

That's what my iPad Pro is for, and it works really well. Much less pen lag than any of the surface devices

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why not just service your battery? I don't know what you're doing with your computer when the MBP2016 comes out, but if you're selling it you'lol get more for a recently serviced battery. If you need the computer for anything, keep it going as long as you can.

Edit: just to say "you'lol" is a creation of autocorrect. I'm not going to fix it.

I'll definitely be getting it serviced and selling it or giving it to a family member, but I can't be without a laptop for 5 business days (or "Up to 12 business days" according to https://support.apple.com/en-au/mac-notebooks/repair/service). Maybe I could use an Apple Authorized Service Provider

 

[heeloliver]

Unrelated but I finally got my own domain!! I mainly wanted a VPS so I can ssh anywhere

 

[Exile714]

I'll definitely be getting it serviced and selling it or giving it to a family member, but I can't be without a laptop for 5 business days (or "Up to 12 business days" according to https://support.apple.com/en-au/mac-notebooks/repair/service). Maybe I could use an Apple Authorized Service Provider

Ugh, 12 business days is rough. I guess I just figured it would be shorter, though thinking about it now, 5-12 days makes sense.

Good luck. I'd offer to lend you my junky 2012 Asus but I recently sold it in preparation for the MBP2016. Yes, I know it's not coming until October (though fingers are crossed that it still gets mentioned on the 7th). I have a hearty desktop from 2008 that does the lion's share of my work anyway.

 

[volcomvenom]

I couldn't wait for Skylake to I bought another Raspberry Pi 3 to hold me over.

 

[eroslws]

I couldn't wait for Skylake to I bought another Raspberry Pi 3 to hold me over.

How many are you at now? I bought one last week after seeing your comment, but have been out of state since.