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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)

Now that the 2016 Models are out, will you buy a 2016 Model?

  • No, They increased the cost far to much. The Apple i once new loved appears to have disappeared.

    Votes: 465 36.6%

  • No, I really wanted a Kaby Lake processor, ill wait till 2017

    Votes: 325 25.6%

  • Yes, Im ordering a 2016 now, or already placed an order already.

    Votes: 482 37.9%
  • Total voters
    1,272
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RoboWarriorSr said:
Looks like Kaby Lake will likely not be released for the 15" rMBP if this report is of any indication

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Another-detailed-CPU-roadmap-leak-2017-2018.173996.0.html

Iris Pro will not be available for Quad Core 47 watt CPUs, only GT2 Intel graphics so looks like Apple will stick with Skylake or integrate AMD GPU's in all models. Don't see Apple ditching Intel graphics after heavily utilizing in all their previous models.
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Hopefully Apple nails the next MBP release, because it sounds like it will be a while before they release updates after this year. The article you site states, "According to [Intel's] roadmap, Skylake will continue to be in the market in one segment. High-End Quad-Core CPUs with Iris Pro GPUs like the Core i7-6970HQ will stay in the market till the released of Coffee Lake in 2018."

You heard it here first. If Apple insists on its love affair with Iris Pro GPUs, there will be: (1) No Kaby Lake 15" MBPs and (2) No updates to the 15" MBP after this October until 2018.
 
Aquamite said:
Then it':s pretty obvious that Kaby Lake is coming for the 15" with a dAMDGPU later this year.
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They wouldn't do that, the 2015 rMBP with the AMD GPU still stuck with the Haswell with Iris Pro even when the Broadwell 47 watt without the Iris CPUs (again came with GT2) were out for quite some time.
 
I cannot understand this. I think DELL has already released a laptop based on Kaby Lake. Other manufacturers can do the same this Fall. Why the MBP 15" cannot have Kaby Lake this year? Am I missing something?

Not upgrading computers for such a long time allows Apple to claim that their upcoming laptop is ABC times faster than the previous generation MBP.
 
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Basic75 said:
The others are using dual-core Kaby Lake, the quad-core suitable to a 15" MBP have not been released by Intel yet.
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I see this everywhere. But with what Generally Reliable Analyst posted, this is going to be the most significant update to the Pro, yada yada. What would stop apple from "updating" it the same way as Mac Mini 2014 and using dual-cores?
 
navaira said:
I see this everywhere. But with what Generally Reliable Analyst posted, this is going to be the most significant update to the Pro, yada yada. What would stop apple from "updating" it the same way as Mac Mini 2014 and using dual-cores?
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No.... you're interpreting it wrong. This is supposed to be the "BIGGEST" / "most significant" update. Think Different. Think Apple. Think like Tim. The new MacBook Pro will go beyond dual cores, and surprise us with the new low-cost.... errr.... energy efficient single core 500 MHz CPU.
 
Basic75 said:
The others are using dual-core Kaby Lake, the quad-core suitable to a 15" MBP have not been released by Intel yet.
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Then what stopped Apple from releasing a MBP with Skylake?

Supposing that there is a MBP with dual-core Kaby Lake and one with a quad-core Skylake, will the former be faster than the latter? Will the dual-core Kaby Lake faster than the current MBP?
 
hajime said:
Then what stopped Apple from releasing a MBP with Skylake?

Supposing that there is a MBP with dual-core Kaby Lake and one with a quad-core Skylake, will the former be faster than the latter? Will the dual-core Kaby Lake faster than the current MBP?
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No it won't. Kaby Lake processors are probably less than 5% faster than their Skylake counterparts. Nowhere near enough to make dual-core Kaby Lake products faster than quad-core Skylake or even Haswell ones.
 
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Arline said:
No it won't. Kaby Lake processors are probably less than 5% faster than their Skylake counterparts. Nowhere near enough to make dual-core Kaby Lake products faster than quad-core Skylake or even Haswell ones.
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I heard that Kaby Lake has hardware support for 4K videos, do those dual-core KL products also run slower than quad-core Skylake in this area?
 
hajime said:
I heard that Kaby Lake has hardware support for 4K videos, do those dual-core KL products also run slower than quad-core Skylake in this area?
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KL GPUs are able to handle 4K video encoding and decoding whereas more of this is handled by SL CPUs. This makes KL more power efficient. The only KL dual cores being released before 2017 are low-powered CPUs with low end Intel HD GPUs fit for fanless enclosures like the MB.
 
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buster84 said:
http://www.universityherald.com/art...ace-pro-5-waiting-for-kaby-lake-too-video.htm

Looks like kaby lake might be coming to the next macbbook pro in 2017! they have to compete with microsoft which makes sense.

http://www.universityherald.com/art...ocessor-couple-of-months-means-q1-in-2017.htm
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Although these articles may be correct about the release date for the MBP, they fail to specify the CPU that Apple is targeting. Hence, what they fail to mention is that there are no Kaby Lake chipsets with the CPU - GPU combination that Apple currently uses, i.e., there are no KL quad core CPUs paired with a GT3e or GT4e Iris Pro GPU. This has been acknowledged across the web.

The only options available to Apple for upgrading based on Intel's roadmap are a Skylake chipset in Q4 2016/ Q1 2017 and then a Coffee Lake chipset in Q4 2018. The only way this does not hold is if Apple decided to take a step down in performance to an Intel HD GPU only for iGPU lines and a step down in battery life to a dGPU only for dGPU lines. To do so would mean an end to Apple's hybrid gfx system, something I doubt they will do.
 
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Val-kyrie said:
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The only options available to Apple for upgrading based on Intel's roadmap are a Skylake chipset in Q4 2016/ Q1 2017 and then a Coffee Lake chipset in Q4 2018. ...
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So how did Dell get Kabylake for Q4 2016? I know this is only the U version, but the 13 MBP should be using the U version -- different story for the 15" version though.
 
mrkkbb said:
So how did Dell get Kabylake for Q4 2016? I know this is only the U version, but the 13 MBP should be using the U version -- different story for the 15" version though.
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For the last time - the XPS 13 is using a 15W CPU. The 13" rMBP uses a 28W CPU with Iris Graphics. The 15" uses a 47W CPU with Iris Pro Grahics.

Intel's currently released Kaby Lake processors are all 4.5W and 15W CPUs. The type of Kaby Lake CPUs suitable for the 13" do not exist yet and a Kaby Lake CPU with Iris Pro will never exist.
 
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hajime said:
Then what stopped Apple from releasing a MBP with Skylake?

Supposing that there is a MBP with dual-core Kaby Lake and one with a quad-core Skylake, will the former be faster than the latter? Will the dual-core Kaby Lake faster than the current MBP?
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The Kabylake is faster on the integrated graphics. If you have a Skylake with dedicated graphics card; it won't be a big difference (maybe aside from battery life).
 
I have taken a look at the processor of the new Dell XPS 13 vs the current ones in the rMBP. It seems that the higher end XPS processor is better than the standard one on the MBP, despite being 15W vs 28W. You can see it yourself : http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...e=1&tdp=1&mhz=1&turbo_mhz=1&cores=1&threads=1

Also the basic processor for the new rMBP will be a 6267u right? Which means the kabylake is also faster.
So a Kabylake 15W is better in the CPU department than a Skylake 28W!
 
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TechZeke said:
For the last time - the XPS 13 is using a 15W CPU. The 13" rMBP uses a 28W CPU with Iris Graphics. The 15" uses a 47W CPU with Iris Pro Grahics.

Intel's currently released Kaby Lake processors are all 4.5W and 15W CPUs. The type of Kaby Lake CPUs suitable for the 13" do not exist yet and a Kaby Lake CPU with Iris Pro will never exist.
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Are the 13 MBP not dual core? the only dual core mobile Skylake CPUs are the U versions (15W) (only one is 28W with iris 550). What is the performance difference between HD 6xx vs Iris? Is it that big that MPB will go with the Skylake + Iris?
 
mrkkbb said:
Are the 13 MBP not dual core? the only dual core mobile Skylake CPUs are the U versions (15W), hence the 13 MBP should be using the U Kabylake -- unless Apple moves the 13 MBP to quad core.
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The Dell uses a 15W dual core while the 13" rMBP uses a 28W dual core with high end Iris graphics. Intel hasn't released 28W Kaby Lake dual cores yet.

28W Skylake dual cores:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/91167,91164,91166
 
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