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Waiting for the 2017 MBP (Kaby Lake / Cannonlake / Coffee Lake??)
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It seems that Apple is quite backward in the professional computer division these days. As a long term customer since the Apple II, I wonder if I should give up waiting, get a Kaby Lake laptop from other manufacturer and install Linux besides Windows. Then, continue to use Mac software on my MBP 17" 2010.
What processor will the 13" Macbook need to drive a 5k 27" external monitor? Is Skylake sufficient?
Yeah, **** analysts. We want Kaby Lake Macbook Pro! And with the release of so many laptops with Kaby Lake, I hope this will be true.
Please do tell us what Kaby Lake CPUs are available for Apple to use.
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...pro-refresh-said-to-be-in-manufacturers-hands
May be they have some.
May be they have some.
It takes months between the time that they get some and the time they can be mass produced. If they're skipping Skylake, then I'd expect MBAs next month and MBPs Jan-March.
Its fine for me to wait for 3 more months to get Kaby Lake MBP full furnished. Otherwise, it will be disappointing!
The thing about the upcoming event that makes me the most curious is whether they update MBA indeed, drop rMB price to $1099 or just leave it all as is and kill the MBA line, as was generally expected until a few weeks ago.
If they update MBA with a retina screen and Sky/Kaby/Whisky Lake, they effectively kill rMB. So this would be a very odd thing to do. We know pretty much everything about iPhone 7, but the computers remain a mystery. I'm personally waiting for iMacs to come with SSD by default and I am morbidly curious about how long they are going to go without update to Mac Pro and rMBP.
Oh wait. Maybe the MBA gets a retina and A10X processor...
Suddenly I am actually excited about the Wednesday event. For once we don't know every single thing before it happens.
If they update MBA with a retina screen and Sky/Kaby/Whisky Lake, they effectively kill rMB. So this would be a very odd thing to do. We know pretty much everything about iPhone 7, but the computers remain a mystery. I'm personally waiting for iMacs to come with SSD by default and I am morbidly curious about how long they are going to go without update to Mac Pro and rMBP.
Oh wait. Maybe the MBA gets a retina and A10X processor...
Suddenly I am actually excited about the Wednesday event. For once we don't know every single thing before it happens.
Well, we do if it's just the Apple Watch and the iPhone...I'll be very surprised if there are Mac announcements.
i start to suspect apple was forced to kill the skylake mbp project because of poor yields from intel, hence the huge delay, and now is jumping foreward directly to Kaby Lake (though with GT2 graphics??).
will the 620 gpu be comparable to the 5100 of current 13"rmbp?
(note: i assume 620 because is what these recent rumors are about, who knows what apple will use, honestly it's too early to dispute on that)
will the 620 gpu be comparable to the 5100 of current 13"rmbp?
(note: i assume 620 because is what these recent rumors are about, who knows what apple will use, honestly it's too early to dispute on that)
I believed that Apple would "End of Life" the Macbook Air but from the leaks which have been reported it does seem that Apple might give it one more iteration/one more year. The changes which are being reported seem minimal (giving it USB-C and new processors) and no change to the display but it does allow Apple to sell a lower price laptop which means the Retina Macbook is still considered a premium product (at least for price).
I can't see Apple upgrading the Macbook Air because it would cannibalise the sales of the Retina Macbook.
I think in another 12 months Apple might be able to start significantly lowering the price of the Retina Macbook which would then finally mean withdrawing the Macbook Air as a product.
I know many MacRumours posters want KabyLake in the new rMBP but I just can't see Intel being organised to push out these processors in time. Apple must be hoping the redesign of the rMBP is going to be so impressive that most consumers won't care the processors in them have been available for 6+ months and the next generation of chips from Intel are coming soon.
I think Apple does put an ARM type processor in the Mac but I'd imagine they would do the Mac Mini first before doing that to a laptop from their product line.
It would be hilarious if they announced (for shipping whenever) a Kaby Lake on Wednesday, and this thread gets dwarfed to like 15 pages HA!
but on another note....
I just bought a rMBP 15/15 2.2 256 16, and I freaking love this thing. I am waiting for the KabyLake/CannonLake rMBP. I wanted one final OLD SCHOOL USB machine.
For starters this is the best I could find:
http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/drive-mobile-future-integral-fusion-usb-type-c
even tho I think that one is a prototype.
I went with this bad daddy:
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultr...d=1472419921&sr=8-4&keywords=USB3+flash+drive
128 GB USB 3 for $30? that's amazing! It's going to be a project drive that is going to start with 60 GB, full of scans and pdfs, for this projector I have.
With 256 GB built in this is going to be a treat, and it's going to fit FLUSH on the right side of this TRUE USB PORT!
While I sit on the couch working on it, after, when I go in my projector room, I just remove the drive and plug into the MacBook running the projector setup. Which is actually nicer because if I use the drive with its "always the same" '/Volumes/camp' mount path, then illustrator and indesign won't bitch about linked files versus, copying them to the machine then copying them back to the server, because working off of the server is too slow, with 1.2GB comp/scans of maps for the projector.
Now I can just have a USB3 "SSD" for $30, that is dedicated to the project with all the files linked perfectly, no relinks needs, which I know isn't that bad to re-link but it's just nice!
And being SO FLUSH is just DOPE. oh and btw you're not going to get a FLASH DRIVE that is 10 Gbit/s (USB 3.1 gen 2 speed). I seriously doubt the one I'm getting will even be 5 Gbit/s, probably be the lame USB 3.0, 2.5 Gbit/s. But if it is 5.0 Gbit/s I'll be back here clamoring!
Seriously I can't find one USB Type-C that is small or flush, and it's going to be a while I think because of the size of Type-C, it's pretty small. (except that one listed above, but like I said I think that's a prototype) And they all seem to want to include old school with them.
No reason to buy the mid-2015?
Another reason, I have been running it for 2 weeks now, and not one crash/freeze. Now don't get me wrong, but I gotta feeling this thing is going to be bulletproof for a LONG TIME. I also got the non-dGPU, to make sure no crashing, I gotta have my POPS (no crashing that is) (that was a reference to that old cereal commercial)
And one more reason, and mind you these are all 100% legit reason, there are some others but I am not listing them, because they are just meh reasons.
But the KEYBOARD! I don't care what guys say here and there I still like the OLD Keyboard. And I bought a rubber cover for the keyboard (which I kinda like even better) and hard shell spec case for full protection.
So those are some solid reasons, ok ok one last reason:
the SkyLake, KabyLake, CanonLake, are almost 100% going to have soldered SSD, maybe even octane for Canon.
And they are going to be more like iOS devices than REAL MACS haha no I'll stop right there.
But if I am going to join this thread and get it up to 1000 pages by the time the CanonLake rMBP 16" (late 2018) is released (cause that's the name this thread should migrate to) I had to get a new machine to sit back with daily with...
p.s. even one last reason, but I am probably NEVER going to exercise this:
IF they don't release a SkyLake rMBP 2016, and this thread does get dwarfed by Apple releasing a KabyLake 2016 and a early 2017 (quad 15") then the 2015 rMBP, will be the last baddest MacBook Pro to run Windows 7 in BootCamp. Because supposedly KabyLake is not supported and won't run Windows 7, only Windows 10. Like I said I probably won't ever do this, because (A.) I would only do it if I threw a 1 TB SSD inside for the Windows 7 partition and Linux too if I was going to go all out, but with the 256 GB there's no room for other OSes. But (B.) I am probably just going to leave the 256 GB in till it dies, which would be probably forever ha so... ok laters... I am out...but Windows 7, oh and good luck installing Windows 10 with a USB Type-C bootable flash drive too... I had a bitch of a time installing Windows 7 with a USB-3 Flash Drive, I had to dongle it down to USB-2 because of the drivers, on my MacBook Air 11 2012, just imagine NO DVD NO normal USB FLASH, mehahahaha
but on another note....
It's not worth it to buy the mid-2015 MBP.
Kaby Lake chips are shipping, the MBP rumor mill is in hyperdrive, USB-C interfaces will be the shiznit in a couple of months. Or, the new MBPs will come out and the price of that mid-2015 MBP will tank, you'll buy one at the now-tanked price and be happy with it.
I'm waiting for Kaby Lake...
I just bought a rMBP 15/15 2.2 256 16, and I freaking love this thing. I am waiting for the KabyLake/CannonLake rMBP. I wanted one final OLD SCHOOL USB machine.
For starters this is the best I could find:
http://www.integralmemoryplc.com/news/drive-mobile-future-integral-fusion-usb-type-c
even tho I think that one is a prototype.
I went with this bad daddy:
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultr...d=1472419921&sr=8-4&keywords=USB3+flash+drive
128 GB USB 3 for $30? that's amazing! It's going to be a project drive that is going to start with 60 GB, full of scans and pdfs, for this projector I have.
With 256 GB built in this is going to be a treat, and it's going to fit FLUSH on the right side of this TRUE USB PORT!
While I sit on the couch working on it, after, when I go in my projector room, I just remove the drive and plug into the MacBook running the projector setup. Which is actually nicer because if I use the drive with its "always the same" '/Volumes/camp' mount path, then illustrator and indesign won't bitch about linked files versus, copying them to the machine then copying them back to the server, because working off of the server is too slow, with 1.2GB comp/scans of maps for the projector.
Now I can just have a USB3 "SSD" for $30, that is dedicated to the project with all the files linked perfectly, no relinks needs, which I know isn't that bad to re-link but it's just nice!
And being SO FLUSH is just DOPE. oh and btw you're not going to get a FLASH DRIVE that is 10 Gbit/s (USB 3.1 gen 2 speed). I seriously doubt the one I'm getting will even be 5 Gbit/s, probably be the lame USB 3.0, 2.5 Gbit/s. But if it is 5.0 Gbit/s I'll be back here clamoring!
Seriously I can't find one USB Type-C that is small or flush, and it's going to be a while I think because of the size of Type-C, it's pretty small. (except that one listed above, but like I said I think that's a prototype) And they all seem to want to include old school with them.
No reason to buy the mid-2015?
Another reason, I have been running it for 2 weeks now, and not one crash/freeze. Now don't get me wrong, but I gotta feeling this thing is going to be bulletproof for a LONG TIME. I also got the non-dGPU, to make sure no crashing, I gotta have my POPS (no crashing that is) (that was a reference to that old cereal commercial)
And one more reason, and mind you these are all 100% legit reason, there are some others but I am not listing them, because they are just meh reasons.
But the KEYBOARD! I don't care what guys say here and there I still like the OLD Keyboard. And I bought a rubber cover for the keyboard (which I kinda like even better) and hard shell spec case for full protection.
So those are some solid reasons, ok ok one last reason:
the SkyLake, KabyLake, CanonLake, are almost 100% going to have soldered SSD, maybe even octane for Canon.
And they are going to be more like iOS devices than REAL MACS haha no I'll stop right there.
But if I am going to join this thread and get it up to 1000 pages by the time the CanonLake rMBP 16" (late 2018) is released (cause that's the name this thread should migrate to) I had to get a new machine to sit back with daily with...
p.s. even one last reason, but I am probably NEVER going to exercise this:
IF they don't release a SkyLake rMBP 2016, and this thread does get dwarfed by Apple releasing a KabyLake 2016 and a early 2017 (quad 15") then the 2015 rMBP, will be the last baddest MacBook Pro to run Windows 7 in BootCamp. Because supposedly KabyLake is not supported and won't run Windows 7, only Windows 10. Like I said I probably won't ever do this, because (A.) I would only do it if I threw a 1 TB SSD inside for the Windows 7 partition and Linux too if I was going to go all out, but with the 256 GB there's no room for other OSes. But (B.) I am probably just going to leave the 256 GB in till it dies, which would be probably forever ha so... ok laters... I am out...but Windows 7, oh and good luck installing Windows 10 with a USB Type-C bootable flash drive too... I had a bitch of a time installing Windows 7 with a USB-3 Flash Drive, I had to dongle it down to USB-2 because of the drivers, on my MacBook Air 11 2012, just imagine NO DVD NO normal USB FLASH, mehahahaha
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I wouldn't fault anyone for picking out one of the newer rMBPs - I'm still happy with my late-2013 unit that's maxed out. I, too am waiting for the Kaby Lake/Cannonnlake rMBP. We still have a few mid-2012 rMBPs around as they're still serviceable Macs, so we're covered with getting at our legacy, er, old school devices. My Apples aren't rotting yet... :evil grin:
Thanks for not getting upset and thinking I was trolling you, I know that was a long post
besides the theoretical bus speed, most of the usb drives i've come across were f slow af.
i admit, i haven't tested any of the supposedly faster ones, but i wouldn't even remotely compare them to ssds, or even think of useing them for anything but file transfer.
i hope you got a good deal out of it, but given the price, you must be honest with yourself that it can't do miracles... let us know!
edit: it looks neat though as an always attached thing, quite like any logitech wireless mouse usb thingy
I never gave trolling a thought, it was a good read...Thanks for not getting upset and thinking I was trolling you, I know that was a long post
Besides, reading this made me a bit happier!
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...pro-refresh-said-to-be-in-manufacturers-hands
Native integration of USB 3.1 Generation 2 is definitely a selling point for upgrading to a new form-factored Kaby Lake MBP. Good move by Intel/Apple.
It might also however, be a reason to wait a year, especially for those who took a chance in buying a Mid 2015 MBP. Why wait?
- see what happens with Cannonlake development
- allow 3.1 Gen 2 product availability to mature
- wait for 3.1 to possibly match/exceed Thunderbolt, along with concomitant product intro
- get a better investment in a less than a year old Mid 2015
I was able to wait close to 3 yr in upgrading to Retina MBP (13" and now 15"), not sure I want to wait that long this time. Otoh if Apple is able to at the same time significantly increase battery efficiency, and improve disc speed...its not all about the processor.
It might also however, be a reason to wait a year, especially for those who took a chance in buying a Mid 2015 MBP
. Why wait?- see what happens with Cannonlake development
- allow 3.1 Gen 2 product availability to mature
- wait for 3.1 to possibly match/exceed Thunderbolt, along with concomitant product intro
- get a better investment in a less than a year old Mid 2015
I was able to wait close to 3 yr in upgrading to Retina MBP (13" and now 15"), not sure I want to wait that long this time. Otoh if Apple is able to at the same time significantly increase battery efficiency, and improve disc speed...its not all about the processor.
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If I understand this correctly (not an expert at all) the bottleneck is that there is no integrated pro gpu available in Kaby lake. However the available igpu (gt2 or gt3e) is already faster than the dedicated one in my current mbp. So pairing a Kaby lake cpu with a dGPU makes sense to keep the market share. Selling another year outdated hardware is not going to convince a lot of people to upgrade unless their mbp is dying or more than 4 years old. The hit on battery life shouldn't be too bad.
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